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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 5:35:45 AM   
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When Jimmy Carter did the exact same thing vs. all Iranians, including students and everyone else, where was the ACLU

Oh, that's right, they weren't quite as anti-American then. And neither were the Democrats

Uh, sorry... you may not have been told by your sock and your handlotion in the comfort of your mothers basement compound, that it was not the exact same thing, that would be part of your insanity.

They were holding American citizens depriving them of their liberty.

And the dictator trump was just shitting his pants.

I know the difference is hard for a nutsucker to comprehend, but that is the short of it.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 5:41:31 AM   
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Study: Obama Had Worst Record in Supreme Court in Modern History

It's highly doubtful President Trump could ever match Obama's poor record in the courts


LOL, of course he did, 8 of the 13 cases were cases that W brought or were brought against Ws nutsucker agenda.

Lost em. You shouldnt read nutsucker slobberlblogs tomi felchgobbler, you are too fucking stupid to cogitate, and they will fuck you with there alternative facts every day.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jun/29/bob-goodlatte/gop-leader-supreme-court-has-ruled-13-times-obama-/

Trump will definitely have the worst record in history, and all on his own.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 6:46:50 AM   
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For someone who complains about "alternative news," you're pretty big on promoting it. It's not a "Muslim ban". It only covers Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen.


Mapping the Global Muslim Population

K.


We've had this conversation before -- it's hard to find pieces anywhere without sensationalized headlines. So I share the link and the entire piece.

But since you mention it -- this effects LEGAL travelers, people with green cards, E2 permits, VISAs, and from 7 countries where NO terrorists have come from to harm Americans...while Saudi Arabia, home to 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers, gets a pass, as do other countries raising terrorists (some say it's because Trump has business there...I don't know whether that's true).

This isn't enforcement by any stretch of the imagination. It's bullying. Flat out persecution of Muslims. LEGAL Muslims.

If that's not a Muslim Ban, it's damn sure close, at the very least a step in that direction.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 6:59:34 AM   
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this effects LEGAL travelers,


Congress makes law, the president enforces the law. These are laws, that are on the books so no, they're not legal travelers if the President says they're not.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:05:40 AM   
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Fortunately, the courts realize both you and he and full of shit.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:06:29 AM   
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this effects LEGAL travelers,


Congress makes law, the president enforces the law. These are laws, that are on the books so no, they're not legal travelers if the President says they're not.

And congress has made no law that says 9/11 terrorists are allie allie in free, and you can make it ad hoc illegal to be in the US after we have given you the right. The president has no law to enforce just because he says so. The congress has already made the law, and the current law is he is in violation of the law with his dictatorial, unconstitutional fuhrerprincip

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:14:42 AM   
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. . . and that's where he gets the dictator moniker.

Fortunately, the courts realize both you and he and full of shit.


You are a moron. Dictators don't worry about a congress or courts, and the Obama appointee judge only issued a temporary partial injunction.

Carter and Clinton both used this same law in similar ways. Were they 'dictators" too

Islam is a death cult, the Koran commands Muslims to commit terrorist acts as a means of forcing infidels to submit to their demands. Islam is not a religion, it is an extremist ideology therefore far better vetting of people from Muslim majority countries is required than Obama was willing to commit to

Therefore the slack has to be taken out of the line, and that is what President Trump was elected to do, and that is what he committed to do on the campaign trail, and that is what he is doing in a legal manner exactly as prescribed by law



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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:21:48 AM   
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from 7 countries where NO terrorists have come from to harm Americans

Granted (as far as I know) but Trump didn't pick them. See here.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:48:28 AM   
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Good question, but I guess you'll have to ask Obama.
    Under the Act, travelers in the following categories are no longer eligible to travel or be admitted to the United States under the VWP:

    Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, or countries listed under specified designation lists (currently including Iran and Sudan) at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).

    Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).
Source: Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act FAQ

The act was updated in February of 2016 to include Libya, Somalia, and Yemen (here).

K.





The Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 (the Act).

The Act, among other things, establishes new eligibility requirements for travel under the VWP. These new eligibility requirements do not bar travel to the United States. Instead, a traveler who does not meet the requirements must obtain a visa for travel to the United States, which generally includes an in-person interview at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate.

SO why are you goal post clutching now?

Ive been using eSTA AND VWP since 2011, I can post my paperwork.

Green card holders, VWP holders AND REFUGEES were detained but luckily theres a shit storm over it.


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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:54:21 AM   
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Green card holders, VWP holders AND REFUGEES were detained but luckily theres a shit storm over it.



Mom is a crack whore hasn't been enforcing curfews, let the children run with scissors and play in the freeways with dynamite for eight long years

Child Protective Services steps in and gives Dad custody. Dad says there are going to be rules

The little children very predictably begin throwing tantrums

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 7:59:27 AM   
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Green card holders, VWP holders AND REFUGEES were detained but luckily theres a shit storm over it.



Mom is a crack whore hasn't been enforcing curfews, let the children run with scissors and play in the freeways with dynamite for eight long years

Child Protective Services steps in and gives Dad custody. Dad says there are going to be rules

The little children very predictably begin throwing tantrums

Yeah, luckily the adults have shut down the nutsuckers throwing the tantrums, and explaining the rules to the little nutsucker turdbiters.
But your time is distorted, the current crop of crackwhores have been doing it only 8 days, not years, and the entire nutsucker family has a tradition of that for more than 40 years.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 8:00:27 AM   
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I am sure Trump and his lawyers expected this to happen. I am sure it is no shock to them and they have a plan for how they expect this to play out.



I was just thinking that it would be interesting if this whole thing ends up in a court case to determine whether islam is a religion vs a political ideology.

except, it IS a religion, that it is a political ideology LOL a "conservative" ideology.....but getting to my point, where is the law??? where is the power to ban a political ideology? taking it from the sublime to the ridiculous...it aint in the constitution.
Your stupid is showing...
but I know you are all for trump doin it.
bless your heart.
your Dick tater is gonna crack down....
let see how well that works out...



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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 8:05:21 AM   
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I am sure Trump and his lawyers expected this to happen. I am sure it is no shock to them and they have a plan for how they expect this to play out.



I was just thinking that it would be interesting if this whole thing ends up in a court case to determine whether islam is a religion vs a political ideology.

except, it IS a religion, that it is a political ideology LOL a "conservative" ideology.....but getting to my point, where is the law??? where is the power to ban a political ideology? taking it from the sublime to the ridiculous...it aint in the constitution.
Your stupid is showing...
but I know you are all for trump doin it.
bless your heart.
your Dick tater is gonna crack down....
let see how well that works out...




Because an idiot like you says so

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 8:28:45 AM   
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from 7 countries where NO terrorists have come from to harm Americans

Granted (as far as I know) but Trump didn't pick them. See here.

K.



you dont know your visa waiver program to green cards to This EO
BTW....
Reince is already pedalling back on the green card holders, soooo no, it sounds like they didnt know what they were doing, or the ramifications of it....
typical eh?

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 8:38:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Washington (CNN)Amid the chaos and confusion of President Donald Trump's new executive order on immigration and refugees, sources tell CNN that White House policy director Stephen Miller spoke with officials of the State Department, Customs and Border Patrol, Department of Homeland Security and others to tell them that the President is deeply committed to the executive order and the public is firmly behind it -- urging them not to get distracted by what he described as hysterical voices on TV.


Miller also noted on Saturday that Trump administration officials are discussing the possibility of asking foreign visitors to disclose all websites and social media sites they visit, and to share the contacts in their cell phones. If the foreign visitor declines to share such information, he or she could be denied entry. Sources told CNN that the idea is just in the preliminary discussion level. The social media posts calling for jihad by San Bernardino terrorist Tashfeen Malik -- made under a pseudonym and with strict privacy settings -- are part of this discussion. How such a policy would be implemented remains under discussion.

Miller praised the State Department on Saturday, sources tell CNN, but argued that the government needs to do better job of making sure the people who come into the US embrace American values.
White House press secretary Sean Spicer did not respond to a request for comment.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/donald-trump-immigrant-policy-social-media-contacts/index.html


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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 8:44:28 AM   
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Under the Act, travelers in the following categories are no longer eligible to travel or be admitted to the United States.............................................. under the VWP:

You would be thanking all the way from St. Wrinklemeat thru Obama on the law, and Trump for his suspension of it.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 9:00:52 AM   
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Good question, but I guess you'll have to ask Obama.
    Under the Act, travelers in the following categories are no longer eligible to travel or be admitted to the United States under the VWP:

    Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, or countries listed under specified designation lists (currently including Iran and Sudan) at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).

    Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).
Source: Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act FAQ

The act was updated in February of 2016 to include Libya, Somalia, and Yemen (here).

The Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 (the Act).

The Act, among other things, establishes new eligibility requirements for travel under the VWP. These new eligibility requirements do not bar travel to the United States. Instead, a traveler who does not meet the requirements must obtain a visa for travel to the United States, which generally includes an in-person interview at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate.

SO why are you goal post clutching now?

Ive been using eSTA AND VWP since 2011, I can post my paperwork.

Green card holders, VWP holders AND REFUGEES were detained but luckily theres a shit storm over it.

Clutch this. You questioned the choice of countries, and I showed you where it came from. End of story.

Have a nice day.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 9:40:59 AM   
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The unconstitutional nazi nutsucker dictatorial fuhrer command did not contain the 38 countries.

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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 10:18:36 AM   
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Good question, but I guess you'll have to ask Obama.
    Under the Act, travelers in the following categories are no longer eligible to travel or be admitted to the United States under the VWP:

    Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, or countries listed under specified designation lists (currently including Iran and Sudan) at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).

    Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).
Source: Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act FAQ

The act was updated in February of 2016 to include Libya, Somalia, and Yemen (here).

The Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 (the Act).

The Act, among other things, establishes new eligibility requirements for travel under the VWP. These new eligibility requirements do not bar travel to the United States. Instead, a traveler who does not meet the requirements must obtain a visa for travel to the United States, which generally includes an in-person interview at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate.

SO why are you goal post clutching now?

Ive been using eSTA AND VWP since 2011, I can post my paperwork.

Green card holders, VWP holders AND REFUGEES were detained but luckily theres a shit storm over it.

Clutch this. You questioned the choice of countries, and I showed you where it came from. End of story.

Have a nice day.

K.




I said...
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yes and how many terrorists came from those seven countries....??????


your answer was to give me VWP info.
I didnt ask the choice, or the reason. I asked how many terrorist came from those countries.
NONE
SO go fuck yourself bozo, keep trying the goal post widening and you keep getting laughed at.
get some of your credibility back for gods sake.
you are channelling sanitys bullshit.



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RE: ACLU blocks Trump's unconstitutional Muslim ban - 1/29/2017 10:26:46 AM   
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from 7 countries where NO terrorists have come from to harm Americans

Granted (as far as I know) but Trump didn't pick them. See here.

K.



Is that his signature at the bottom?

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