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Kirata -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 10:11:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin Mass genocide, inevitable catastrophe? You must have fallen off yer high horse and bumped yer libtard head. I'm not calling for anything. Like I said, I'm just making fun of your stupid post. Yer the one who went off the deep end hoping for a presidential assassination. Oh right I forgot that we're all supposed to love him and agree with everything he says. I think what you "forgot" is that everybody knows when you're making shit up. K.

heavyblinker -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 10:11:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata It's murder, you sick motherfucker. Oh right, because he's the American president it should be unthinkable. That's totally rational. It can't happen here! Anyways, luckily you'll always have your indignation to protect you from reality.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 10:14:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Paranoid bullshit and fortune-telling. quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker killing one person to save millions isn't sick or even logically unsound. It's murder, you sick motherfucker. K. Kirata, I wonder if Hitler said something similar to "killing one person to save millions isn't sick or even logically unsound"? You know, something like: "Our final solution to the Jewish 'problem' is the only way to ensure the survival of the fatherland!" I'll bet he said something close to that. Where does that put your buddy, heavydrinker, there? Michael

heavyblinker -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 10:14:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata I think what you "forgot" is that everybody knows when you're making shit up. What am I making up, exactly?

Kirata -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 10:34:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata It's murder, you sick motherfucker. Oh right, because he's the American president it should be unthinkable. That's totally rational. It can't happen here! Yeah, no. Don't make yourself more of an ass than you already are. You're proof that it can. quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Anyways, luckily you'll always have your indignation to protect you from reality. I'm not worried about reality, thank you very much. It's people like you that I worry about. K.

Kirata -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 10:44:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata I think what you "forgot" is that everybody knows when you're making shit up. What am I making up, exactly? Well for starters, the pretense that your question is intelligent and reasonable. And you're doing it by using your favorite tactic, namely, omitting the part of the quote that would expose the stupid game. quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Oh right I forgot that we're all supposed to love him and agree with everything he says. I think what you "forgot" is that everybody knows when you're making shit up. There ya go! Thanks for asking. K.

MrRodgers -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 10:58:04 AM)
Getting back to the OP: Many conservative foreign-policy and national-security experts saw the dangers last spring and summer, which is why we signed letters denouncing not Trump’s policies but his temperament; not his program but his character. We were right. And friends who urged us to tone it down, to make our peace with him, to stop saying as loudly as we could “this is abnormal,” to accommodate him, to show loyalty to the Republican Party, to think that he and his advisers could be tamed, were wrong. In an epic week beginning with a dark and divisive inaugural speech, extraordinary attacks on a free press, a visit to the CIA that dishonored a monument to anonymous heroes who paid the ultimate price, and now an attempt to ban selected groups of Muslims (including interpreters who served with our forces in Iraq and those with green cards, though not those from countries with Trump hotels, or from really indispensable states like Saudi Arabia), he has lived down to expectations. What worries me for the young today is not this or that particular policy or that but just as in documentaries about the rise of Hitler made by Germans at the time, that because 'they had there man finally' everything was just alright. Then Hitler wiped out the German constitution.

heavyblinker -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 11:02:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata There ya go! Thanks for asking. Oh yeah, like the right hasn't been demanding everyone support Trump simply because he's president. At the very least, they've stopped pretending that he will unite the country.

heavyblinker -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 11:04:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Getting back to the OP: Many conservative foreign-policy and national-security experts saw the dangers last spring and summer, which is why we signed letters denouncing not Trump’s policies but his temperament; not his program but his character. We were right. And friends who urged us to tone it down, to make our peace with him, to stop saying as loudly as we could “this is abnormal,” to accommodate him, to show loyalty to the Republican Party, to think that he and his advisers could be tamed, were wrong. In an epic week beginning with a dark and divisive inaugural speech, extraordinary attacks on a free press, a visit to the CIA that dishonored a monument to anonymous heroes who paid the ultimate price, and now an attempt to ban selected groups of Muslims (including interpreters who served with our forces in Iraq and those with green cards, though not those from countries with Trump hotels, or from really indispensable states like Saudi Arabia), he has lived down to expectations. What worries me for the young today is not this or that particular policy or that but just as in documentaries about the rise of Hitler made by Germans at the time, that because 'they had there man finally' everything was just alright. Then Hitler wiped out the German constitution. This is exactly it but good luck convincing his supporters that this is anything except sour grapes over Hillary's loss. Also, they ignore his conservative critics or simply call them traitors. The only thing that's going to convince them that he is unfit is when the effects of his actions become clear.

WhoreMods -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 11:04:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Oh yeah, like the right hasn't been demanding everyone support Trump simply because he's president. Just like they did for Obama, Clinton and Carter... [;)]

WhoreMods -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 11:08:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker The only thing that's going to convince them that he is unfit is when the effects of his actions become clear. You sure of that? If it's a choice of backing down and admitting they were wrong or making absurd excuses to defend the indefensible, which way do you think the majority of rightists on here will go?

Kirata -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 11:21:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata There ya go! Thanks for asking. Oh yeah, like the right hasn't been demanding everyone support Trump simply because he's president. That's not what you said, which would be obvious if you hadn't trimmed that quote too. I think you've forgotten (stop me if this sounds familiar) that everybody knows when you're making shit up. K.

lovmuffin -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 11:30:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Getting back to the OP: Many conservative foreign-policy and national-security experts saw the dangers last spring and summer, which is why we signed letters denouncing not Trump’s policies but his temperament; not his program but his character. We were right. And friends who urged us to tone it down, to make our peace with him, to stop saying as loudly as we could “this is abnormal,” to accommodate him, to show loyalty to the Republican Party, to think that he and his advisers could be tamed, were wrong. In an epic week beginning with a dark and divisive inaugural speech, extraordinary attacks on a free press, a visit to the CIA that dishonored a monument to anonymous heroes who paid the ultimate price, and now an attempt to ban selected groups of Muslims (including interpreters who served with our forces in Iraq and those with green cards, though not those from countries with Trump hotels, or from really indispensable states like Saudi Arabia), he has lived down to expectations. What worries me for the young today is not this or that particular policy or that but just as in documentaries about the rise of Hitler made by Germans at the time, that because 'they had there man finally' everything was just alright. Then Hitler wiped out the German constitution. What worries me is you liberals have become so unhinged over Trump winning as evidence in this and at least half of these threads. The race card is bad enough but it doesn't get any lower than when you play the Hitler card. You and the usual suspects here along with Ashley Jughead, Madonna and all the rest with your Hitler concentration camp gas chamber bull shit friends are proof positive that you guys have lost yer minds. How can you have a rational discussion when all one side can do is to call a Snotzi?

BoscoX -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 11:33:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker This is exactly it but good luck convincing his supporters that this is anything except sour grapes over Hillary's loss. Also, they ignore his conservative critics or simply call them traitors. The only thing that's going to convince them that he is unfit is when the effects of his actions become clear. Conservatives heard Trumps critics, both right and left - and then voted. The things he is doing are exactly the things that he promised to do. A lot of people in the middle voted for him too, after watching the debates and reading the comments. Your insane hate spew, calling for his assassination etc... I really believe, that people like you, is what put him over the top. Because that's not the only extremist spew that people have been hearing from the alt left Who have apparently taken over the Democrat party There can be no more reasonable conversations, you want to kill or jail everyone who disagrees not only on this but on climate change, wedding cakes and bathrooms You name it You, and many who are similar to you, got president Trump elected. How does it feel?

heavyblinker -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 11:46:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata There ya go! Thanks for asking. Oh yeah, like the right hasn't been demanding everyone support Trump simply because he's president. That's not what you said, which would be obvious if you hadn't trimmed that quote too. I think you've forgotten (stop me if this sounds familiar) that everybody knows when you're making shit up. K. It was obviously hyperbole... come on. And now you're pretending I don't mean what I'm telling you I meant. Assassination is not my first choice because I know that his fan base would go apeshit with the conspiracy theories and paranoia and yes, probably violence... but this past week has convinced me that the situation is even more dire than I thought. He is ignoring everyone except his tiny circle of yes men, refusing to consider anything except Breitbart, FOX and his own ego. He is still behaving like a child on twitter, and he is alienating other nations, risking trade wars over policies that the majority of economists say WILL NOT WORK. He is alienating the Iraqi government just as they have ISIS on the run. This is not the kind of person that should be making decisions that affect millions of lives. Whichever solution gets him out of there the fastest is what I support. I think that killing Hitler in 1936 would have ultimately been a good thing, and I feel the same way about this.

heavyblinker -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 12:05:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker The only thing that's going to convince them that he is unfit is when the effects of his actions become clear. You sure of that? If it's a choice of backing down and admitting they were wrong or making absurd excuses to defend the indefensible, which way do you think the majority of rightists on here will go? I'd like to believe that something resembling a light would go on, but I honestly don't even know. I have no idea what the breaking point would be. I'd start a thread asking that question, but I think it would just get derailed when they bring up Hillary, Obama and libtards being sore losers.

WhoreMods -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 12:11:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker The only thing that's going to convince them that he is unfit is when the effects of his actions become clear. You sure of that? If it's a choice of backing down and admitting they were wrong or making absurd excuses to defend the indefensible, which way do you think the majority of rightists on here will go? I'd like to believe that something resembling a light would go on, but I honestly don't even know. I have no idea what the breaking point would be. I'd start a thread asking that question, but I think it would just get derailed when they bring up Hillary, Obama and libtards being sore losers. At this stage, I doubt that they even have a breaking point.

Kirata -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 12:14:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Assassination is not my first choice because I know that his fan base would go apeshit with the conspiracy theories and paranoia and yes, probably violence... Yes I understand, you don't want violence. Violence is bad. But you're all for murder, which is an act of violence. It just wouldn't be your first choice because it might lead to . . . violence! Seriously, dude, you are so fucked in the head it's creepy. K.

heavyblinker -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 12:19:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods At this stage, I doubt that they even have a breaking point. Maybe after nuking the entire middle east, destroying all trade with every other country in the world and sending the national guard out to murder the protestors, Trump will entertain the possibility of forcing people to wait 2 extra weeks before they can buy semi-automatic weapons. Then they'll riot.

heavyblinker -> RE: Eliot Cohen: A "Testing Time" for Conservatives (1/30/2017 12:21:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Yes I understand, you don't want violence. Violence is bad. But you're all for murder, which is an act of violence. It just wouldn't be your first choice because it might lead to . . . violence! Seriously, dude, you are so fucked in the head it's creepy. I want to minimize suffering and violence. Obviously I don't think it can be avoided altogether. You're so uppity and sure of your own intellect, why does this need to be explained?

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