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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

A great deal of people on the right are so mindlessly partisan that they will defend anything that Trump does simply because he didn't run as a Democrat... but I am frankly shocked at the passivity being displayed by the people who know what's up. People are writing and talking and protesting and telling other people to do things... but nobody seems to be taking steps to prevent the inevitable disaster.

I keep hearing that the job itself is going to force Trump to be a better person, or that the system won't allow him to do as much damage as everyone fears-- but why exactly do we need to take that chance? Is there even a single person in the US who doesn't think Pence should take over immediately?

I used to think assassination would be bad, but now I'm not so sure. One person loses his life so the world can be a safer place? Is this even something we need to think about?

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
Mass genocide, inevitable catastrophe? You must have fallen off yer high horse and bumped yer libtard head. I'm not calling for anything. Like I said, I'm just making fun of your stupid post. Yer the one who went off the deep end hoping for a presidential assassination.

Oh right I forgot that we're all supposed to love him and agree with everything he says.

Assassinating Trump would be about as horrible as assassinating Hitler circa 1936... just because he's 'on our side' doesn't mean anyone should ever lower themselves to the level where they simply tolerate and accept this shit.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

There are a few ways to approach and pursue political discord. To me the most desirable, and I find most commonly at the personal level, is to try and convince your opposition of your position. If this fails then to find a compromise that, though not perfect, would allow a workable solution. I have many friends I adamantly disagree with politically and we actually enjoy a good debate and between ourselves we find solutions we can both agree with.

I'll bet if Sanity... Bama... lovmuffin... Ron... Lucy...and I sat around a table with some refreshments we would have a blast and even find some areas of agreement and maybe change the way we looked at things in general.

But!!!

For some reason on a national scale the above way of thinking changes and I just cannot understand why. Groups tend to demand obedience rather than compromise. There is no attempt to change minds or bring people together for the common good. There is just divide...conquer... and subjugate.

Both ways can work... but which way do you suppose is better for the country in the long run?

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
It's murder, you sick motherfucker.

Oh right, because he's the American president it should be unthinkable.
That's totally rational.

It can't happen here!

Anyways, luckily you'll always have your indignation to protect you from reality.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Assassination is not my first choice because I know that his fan base would go apeshit with the conspiracy theories and paranoia and yes, probably violence...

Yes I understand, you don't want violence. Violence is bad. But you're all for murder, which is an act of violence. It just wouldn't be your first choice because it might lead to . . . violence!

Seriously, dude, you are so fucked in the head it's creepy.

K.

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ORIGINAL: klmpong

This is all just more of the same.
The lefts war on reality while working with Hollywood's war on common sense.

I say again,..........you just can't reason with the unreasonable.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

But don't you have friends that voted for Trump? I do...and when we talk about our differences we invariably come to understand each other better and more often than not find things we can both agree on. Sure we still have deep differences but not animosity ...and we do try to compromise our positions to accommodate the other.

Why does this not carry over on a larger scale? That is my question.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Assassination is not my first choice because I know that his fan base would go apeshit with the conspiracy theories and paranoia and yes, probably violence...

Yes I understand, you don't want violence. Violence is bad. But you're all for murder, which is an act of violence. It just wouldn't be your first choice because it might lead to . . . violence!

Seriously, dude, you are so fucked in the head it's creepy.

K.

im glad to see the posts been reported and I wouldn't mind at all if the secret service showed up at his (her?) place for a visit...

its one thing to talk about the idea in the abstract (read/watch the boys from brazil for an interesting take on this) but its another to use names and talk about it consistent with present circumstances.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
im glad to see the posts been reported and I wouldn't mind at all if the secret service showed up at his (her?) place for a visit...

its one thing to talk about the idea in the abstract (read/watch the boys from brazil for an interesting take on this) but its another to use names and talk about it consistent with present circumstances.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
What you really need to minimize are your grandiose hallucinations of a hero saving the world by committing murder.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Getting back to the OP:

Many conservative foreign-policy and national-security experts saw the dangers last spring and summer, which is why we signed letters denouncing not Trump’s policies but his temperament; not his program but his character.

We were right. And friends who urged us to tone it down, to make our peace with him, to stop saying as loudly as we could “this is abnormal,” to accommodate him, to show loyalty to the Republican Party, to think that he and his advisers could be tamed, were wrong.

In an epic week beginning with a dark and divisive inaugural speech, extraordinary attacks on a free press, a visit to the CIA that dishonored a monument to anonymous heroes who paid the ultimate price, and now an attempt to ban selected groups of Muslims (including interpreters who served with our forces in Iraq and those with green cards, though not those from countries with Trump hotels, or from really indispensable states like Saudi Arabia), he has lived down to expectations.

What worries me for the young today is not this or that particular policy or that but just as in documentaries about the rise of Hitler made by Germans at the time, that because 'they had there man finally' everything was just alright. Then Hitler wiped out the German constitution.

What worries me is you liberals have become so unhinged over Trump winning as evidence in this and at least half of these threads. The race card is bad enough but it doesn't get any lower than when you play the Hitler card. You and the usual suspects here along with Ashley Jughead, Madonna and all the rest with your Hitler concentration camp gas chamber bull shit friends are proof positive that you guys have lost yer minds.

How can you have a rational discussion when all one side can do is to call a Snotzi?

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
The only thing that's going to convince them that he is unfit is when the effects of his actions become clear.

You sure of that? If it's a choice of backing down and admitting they were wrong or making absurd excuses to defend the indefensible, which way do you think the majority of rightists on here will go?

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
im glad to see the posts been reported and I wouldn't mind at all if the secret service showed up at his (her?) place for a visit...

its one thing to talk about the idea in the abstract (read/watch the boys from brazil for an interesting take on this) but its another to use names and talk about it consistent with present circumstances.

LOL yes, the secret service is going to track me down.

Then they'll go after that freak who said that all liberals should die, and the guy who supports killing pot smokers. Of course, their positions are totally acceptable because their victims are just powerless nobodies and Trump is the emperor of the world.

I probably shouldn't have said this because there are no adults here and you need to believe that what I'm saying is legitimate cause for alarm... but here's why the secret service doesn't care:

Am I making threats here? NO.
Am I saying that I am going to kill anyone? NO.
I am saying that IF it happened, it would be a relief.
I am not alone, I promise.

At the very least, stop pretending that you would never support killing. Anyone who supports a war, supports sending refugees back to war zones, supports shooting people who break into your house... SUPPORTS MURDER.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

There are a few ways to approach and pursue political discord. To me the most desirable, and I find most commonly at the personal level, is to try and convince your opposition of your position. If this fails then to find a compromise that, though not perfect, would allow a workable solution. I have many friends I adamantly disagree with politically and we actually enjoy a good debate and between ourselves we find solutions we can both agree with.

I'll bet if Sanity... Bama... lovmuffin... Ron... Lucy...and I sat around a table with some refreshments we would have a blast and even find some areas of agreement and maybe change the way we looked at things in general.

But!!!

For some reason on a national scale the above way of thinking changes and I just cannot understand why. Groups tend to demand obedience rather than compromise. There is no attempt to change minds or bring people together for the common good. There is just divide...conquer... and subjugate.

Both ways can work... but which way do you suppose is better for the country in the long run?

Butch