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mnottertail -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 8:35:08 AM)

Oh they said it all the time you factless retard.

http://time.com/4592640/president-obama-national-security-speech-muslims/ (several times in this one speech alone)

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/20/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

You are caught choking on your own felch.
You are in epic fail wilbur.




PeonForHer -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 8:47:06 AM)

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Oh BS. Obama and Clinton (the rape apologist) wouldn't say the word "terrorist" because they said it was a recruiting tool. The terrorists, who throw gay people off of tall buildings, use all forms of what they call American decadence as recruiting tools. You're just being an idiot trying to sound smart.


As a matter of interest, what has contributed the most to turning you into someone so hostile to everything Islamic - a) practices and beliefs like the subjugation of women, banning the expression of homosexuality ... or b) murderous attacks on those of your fellow Americans who you happen to know have never harmed any Muslims nor even wanted to?




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 6:37:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

One far far left loon on another thread pointed out that Yazidis, who Muslims have been committing genocide against, cannot come in under the temporary suspension

Yazidis aren't Muslims...


They can't. Yazidis are Iraqis, and therefore come under the temporary suspension.

The far left loon is correct.




BoscoX -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 7:04:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

One far far left loon on another thread pointed out that Yazidis, who Muslims have been committing genocide against, cannot come in under the temporary suspension

Yazidis aren't Muslims...


They can't. Yazidis are Iraqis, and therefore come under the temporary suspension.

The far left loon is correct.


Well then, it's not a "Muslim ban"




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 7:11:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

One far far left loon on another thread pointed out that Yazidis, who Muslims have been committing genocide against, cannot come in under the temporary suspension

Yazidis aren't Muslims...


They can't. Yazidis are Iraqis, and therefore come under the temporary suspension.

The far left loon is correct.


Well then, it's not a "Muslim ban"



Agreed. Not a "Muslim ban."


It's just an incredibly stupid move by a blustering amateur who is in way over his head.




BoscoX -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 7:16:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

As a matter of interest, what has contributed the most to turning you into someone so hostile to everything Islamic - a) practices and beliefs like the subjugation of women, banning the expression of homosexuality ... or b) murderous attacks on those of your fellow Americans who you happen to know have never harmed any Muslims nor even wanted to?


Don't have the time or the interest in listing everything but here's a start

Listening to stories about Iranian morality police arresting a girl who was skiing and ran into a tree, losing her headscarf and what happened to her

Watching live one morning, as Muslims flew passenger jets into the World Trade Center towers

Watching Muslims dance with joy afterward, in various parts of the world as innocent people from many nations and all walks of life burned alive

Watching video of Muslims in Iraq saw a Wall Street reporters' head off

Watching video of Muslims burning caged prisoners alive, or slowly lowering caged men into a lake to drown them

Reading countless accounts of atrocities committed by myriad other Muslims around the globe, wherever Muslims are

Studying the Koran, and seeing that these things are all deemed heroic and are said to be fantastically rewarded in the afterlife




BoscoX -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 7:19:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Agreed. Not a "Muslim ban."


It's just an incredibly stupid move by a blustering amateur who is in way over his head.


That's what the fake news reports are saying at least. Fall for those much




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 7:24:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Agreed. Not a "Muslim ban."


It's just an incredibly stupid move by a blustering amateur who is in way over his head.


That's what the fake news reports are saying at least. Fall for those much


Good point. I have no idea why the media continues to be report it as a "Muslim ban". That is just inaccurate.





BoscoX -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 7:30:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Agreed. Not a "Muslim ban."


It's just an incredibly stupid move by a blustering amateur who is in way over his head.


That's what the fake news reports are saying at least. Fall for those much


Good point. I have no idea why the media continues to be report it as a "Muslim ban". That is just inaccurate.




Especially since it's not a ban at all, it is just a temporary pause while better screening measures can be employed right

You know the left wing media though, has to keep the rioters on their toes all the time or they begin feeling inadequate




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 7:36:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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Agreed. Not a "Muslim ban."


It's just an incredibly stupid move by a blustering amateur who is in way over his head.


That's what the fake news reports are saying at least. Fall for those much


Good point. I have no idea why the media continues to be report it as a "Muslim ban". That is just inaccurate.




Especially since it's not a ban at all, it is just a temporary pause while better screening measures can be employed right

You know the left wing media though, has to keep the rioters on their toes all the time or they begin feeling inadequate



Well... If you are visiting family, or have a job interview, or escaping persecution, and can't wait for these "better screening measures", it's a ban.

Also, the screening process in its current state seems pretty damn good. With the exception of one crazy Iraqi, it appears to be 100% successful.

As for Syrian refugees, the 18-24 month screening process involving 7 agencies is perfect as it is.




BoscoX -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 7:40:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Well... If you are visiting family, or have a job interview, or escaping persecution, and can't wait for these "better screening measures", it's a ban.

Also, the screening process in its current state seems pretty damn good. With the exception of one crazy Iraqi, it appears to be 100% successful.

As for Syrian refugees, the 18-24 month screening process involving 7 agencies is perfect as it is.


It's a ban if your extreme political ideology needs that I suppose. Couldn't have anything to do with the president following through on his campaign promises to intensify the vetting process for travelers coming from terrorist hotbeds or anything.

Destroyed anything in the riots yet?




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 7:49:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Well... If you are visiting family, or have a job interview, or escaping persecution, and can't wait for these "better screening measures", it's a ban.

Also, the screening process in its current state seems pretty damn good. With the exception of one crazy Iraqi, it appears to be 100% successful.

As for Syrian refugees, the 18-24 month screening process involving 7 agencies is perfect as it is.


It's a ban if your extreme political ideology needs that I suppose. Couldn't have anything to do with the president following through on his campaign promises to intensify the vetting process for travelers coming from terrorist hotbeds or anything.

Destroyed anything in the riots yet?



I don't think flying in for a job interview constitutes an "extreme political ideology". Or being a Yazidi, escaping ISIS constitutes "extreme political ideology".

And yes, it could have everything to do with the president following through on his campaign promise. The problem is, he has NO idea how to do that.




tamaka -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 9:04:56 PM)

Well he's showing that he's not afraid to try. Good for him.




mnottertail -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 9:06:55 PM)

Hes also showing that he should be, the man is fucking functionally inept.




tamaka -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 9:08:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Hes also showing that he should be, the man is fucking functionally inept.


I don't agree. I think it's good for the world to see we will do what's best for us... for a change.




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 10:29:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Hes also showing that he should be, the man is fucking functionally inept.


I don't agree. I think it's good for the world to see we will do what's best for us... for a change.


The problem is...

This is the opposite of what's best for us. It doesn't keep terrorists out. It just makes us look like idiots.

That is hardly "best for us".




respectmen -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 10:40:41 PM)

Tamaka

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Well he's showing that he's not afraid to try. Good for him.


No other leader in the western world has the guts to do so. This is why Trump is needed. He is cleaning up messes that no one else is willing to clean up due to being terrified of political correctness.




tamaka -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/1/2017 10:43:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Hes also showing that he should be, the man is fucking functionally inept.


I don't agree. I think it's good for the world to see we will do what's best for us... for a change.


The problem is...

This is the opposite of what's best for us. It doesn't keep terrorists out. It just makes us look like idiots.

That is hardly "best for us".


Every one of the countries that we have temporary bans except one, ban people coming into their country as well.




tweakabelle -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/2/2017 4:00:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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The truth about Trump's ban is, apparently, that he'd like to see an increase in Islamic terrorist attacks on Americans. Trump's move delights ISIS:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-isis-candidate-analysts-2016-9




Gay nightclubs provide observant Muslims with more recruitment material than probably anything else there is. What should be done about that

Wow! What a significant, prescient insight! One has to wonder about the type of mind that creates such gems as this. I say "creates" because as far as I am aware, there isn't a shred of evidence anywhere to support this claim, so it was created rather than arrived at as a conclusion after a long and rigourous examination of the relevant facts, which is the way most sensiblle and informed people arrive at their conclusions.

I wonder what made Bosco prioritise gay nightclubs as recruitment material over, say, the invasion of Iraq, the constant drone attacks in NW Pakistan and Yemen that kill thousands of civilians, the festering sore that is the never ending Israeli occupation of Palestine and brutal repression of Palestinians ... All of which seem far more likely candidates to me. Perhaps, in his ideologically driven haste to remove Western military aggression as a potential cause of Islamic terrorism, 'gay nightclubs' was the first potential explanation that entered his mind that wouldn't boomerang and highlight the very Western military aggression he was trying so hard to gloss over? It couldn't possibly be his own antipathy towards gays that caused him to gravitate so sharply and speedily towards gay behaviour in the US as a recruitment factor for Islamic terrorists, could it?

But perhaps he does have a point - after all the sight of so many buffed, well dressed and (shock horror gasp!) happy men does have certain effects on some people, effects that are not always the most positive and/or welcome effects imaginable. Perhaps we should pass the idea on to Mr Spicer at the White House, who seems to be having terrible problems articulating the new Administration's agenda and is in need of all the help he can get .... "Alternative" explanations seem to carry a premium in Washington these days.

Oh BS. Obama and Clinton (the rape apologist) wouldn't say the word "terrorist" because they said it was a recruiting tool. The terrorists, who throw gay people off of tall buildings, use all forms of what they call American decadence as recruiting tools. You're just being an idiot trying to sound smart.

No I am just making the obvious and eminently reasonable point that invading Muslim countries and causing hundreds of thousands of casualties, carrying out drone attacks that slaughter civilians by the hundreds or the occupation and the ongoing theft of an entire Islamic country and similar acts, all of which are orchestrated and/or carried out by the West and/or its proxies, are far better, infinitely more persuasive explanations of why some young Muslims are attracted to IS and the like, than anything that happens in a gay club.

The immediacy of having relatives slaughtered or one's country invaded by hostile foreigners does have a far more decisive effect on most people than what they might see as decadent goings-on behind closed doors thousands of miles away, (assuming of course that these people are intimately aware of what happens inside a gay club thousands of miles away, which strikes me as a rather [ahem ... ] courageous assumption). Indeed any interest in the latter is more likely generated by prurience rather than militancy, if the number of clicks on gay porn sites originating in Muslim countries is anything to go by.




mnottertail -> RE: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' (2/2/2017 4:18:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Hes also showing that he should be, the man is fucking functionally inept.


I don't agree. I think it's good for the world to see we will do what's best for us... for a change.


And when will we start to do what is best for us, we havent done it yet.




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