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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 3:28:53 PM   
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Is this "fake news"?

No. Fake News is that brilliant piece of "investigative journalism" by Faux News you posted about how Nancy Pelosi tried to pull one over on everyone by telling a muslim congressman to tell people he was muslim.


when you actually read the article you see there is absolutely no statement nor even an insinuation by the author concerning Pelosi "pulling one over on people."

the story, such that it was, had to do with Pelosi getting the congressman to make a show of his being muslim.

not much of a story i concede, but sorry, no "fake news" there for you.

try your "faux" moniker some other time...

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 4:47:09 PM   
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According to your source, the story is "according to her family" - the family of an Al Qaeda leader, who was her father

And Obama killed her brother

You people... Have completely lost your radical alt left freaking minds


This is a lie, the Obama story was true.
This is a non-issue, the Obama story is a major scandal.
She had it coming, her brother did not.
Also, alt-left.

Did I miss anything?

As always you distort everything, to your credit I think that you actually believe everything you just said, your stupid, not dishonest.


LOL.

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 4:49:39 PM   
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One of the worst 'scandals' in Obama's 8 years (16 year old American killed in drone strike) has already been topped by Trump.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/president-trump-ordered-raid-kills-8-year-old-american-girl-article-1.2960256

I will explain this to you because while anyone with any brains already knows this, you don't seem to understand. In a firefight bullets fly every where and innocent people get hit, a tragedy but it happens. Only a fool would even imagine that the troops were sent in to kill the 8 year old.


Yeah, I said the troops were sent in to kill an 8 year old.
That's my point.

Your so smart, Bama.

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 4:52:12 PM   
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I wonder why you are putting up huge strawmen as fucking usual



Because he is mentally slow and cannot communicate properly with other adults.

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 4:57:48 PM   
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when you actually read the article you see there is absolutely no statement nor even an insinuation by the author concerning Pelosi "pulling one over on people."

the story, such that it was, had to do with Pelosi getting the congressman to make a show of his being muslim.

not much of a story i concede, but sorry, no "fake news" there for you.

try your "faux" moniker some other time...
The subject of that thread seems to indicate that LTE doesn't share your opinion on the matter.

But you justify it to yourself however makes you feel best.

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 4:58:53 PM   
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If true it is a tragedy... I don't put it past this being propaganda however. But... even if true I'm sure it was an accident. These American boys are not going to purposely target little girls.

We have little choice but to pursue this war anyway we can and taking out leaders will in the long run save more lives. It is either this or putting thousands of our men and women in harms way... they have a right to live as well.

I also don't think this should be politicized... President Obama pursued this war the same way and I believe it is the best of a bad situation... AND NOT OUR FAULT.

There is an enemy trying their best to kill us and they could not give a shit less about killing little girls. IT IS THEIR FAULT.

Butch


The only person who thinks this thread is about the US intentionally killing an 8 year old girl are those who are easily confused.

My point here is that Trump is already worse than the very worst of Obama. Obviously I'm not a SEAL raid expert or anything, but it seems pretty obvious that the whole thing was poorly planned and executed, just like all of Trump's other decisions.

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 5:12:37 PM   
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Yes, it is a sad day for the family and the death of a child is tragic.

However, I wish to point out a few things that seem to be ignored.

1) had it been a drone attack, the collateral damage (i.e non combatant casualties) would have been higher.
2) The navy seals have the LOWEST collateral damage of any American spec ops units, and team six is lower than the rest of the seal teams.
3) In a fire fight, it is impossible to know where every round you put down range is going to hit a combatant, and in a close quarters situation, collateral damage is unavoidable.
4) In a country that demands action against terrorists, when you have solid intel on a target, you move, either with a drone or boots on the ground.
>>> President Clinton was criticized for not ordering attacks when he felt that the intel was not solid enough to warrant the risk of collateral damages.
5) Since 9/11, the success rate of American spec ops in these operations have been extremely high with a very low non combatant casualty count.

And if any of you Monday morning quarter backs do not think that each member of that team feels regret for the death of that child, you are all full of shit.

Unfortunately, these assholes who conduct terrorist attacks keep their wives, children, and even complete strangers in and around their camps, knowing that if the risk to civilians is too great, the US will not hit them.

And while I have been in a debate on the differences between a main stream Muslim and radicalized Muslims, I hold one thing to be true, if we cant convince these bastards to stop using terror as a weapon, then they have to be put down like the animals they are. No man with half a sense of honor kills innocents and claim that it is in the name of god, no god, Muslim, Christian or other wise condones such acts, and when you consider that the source of Islam is rooted in the old testament (Jews and Muslims both claim to be descendants of Abraham) every one of these bastards deserves to die.

The death of this child will weigh on the men who conducted the raid, they are after all, human. However the sin associated with her death rests squarely on the individuals who put her in the line of fire.

And blaming President Trump for acting on the advice of his Intel and military advisors is bullshit. Just like it was bullshit to blame President Obama for civilian casualties involved in every drone strike he ordered.

Like it or not, he is the President, legally elected under our constitution. I didnt vote for him, I didnt vote for Hillary, but he did win. It does not matter if he did not win the popular vote, he is not the first president to win an election this way.

So, bottom line, if you believe in a higher power, pray for the souls of the innocent, pray that the ones who put them there suffer righteous judgement for all their sins.

As for the rest of it, none of us where in the oval office when the order was given, none of us heard the intel used to justify the strike.

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 5:44:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

One of the worst 'scandals' in Obama's 8 years (16 year old American killed in drone strike) has already been topped by Trump.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/president-trump-ordered-raid-kills-8-year-old-american-girl-article-1.2960256

I will explain this to you because while anyone with any brains already knows this, you don't seem to understand. In a firefight bullets fly every where and innocent people get hit, a tragedy but it happens. Only a fool would even imagine that the troops were sent in to kill the 8 year old.


Yeah, I said the troops were sent in to kill an 8 year old.
That's my point.

Your so smart, Bama.

Of course you didn't, (and I neer said you did) but if her death was not the object of the raid the thread is pointless. The only way you can rationally make this Trump's scandal is if he sent them after her.
It was, unless the point of the raid one of those unfortunate tragedies but in no way Trumps fault any more than it was Obama's fault when her brother was killed. Only you hatred for Trump and all things American makes this a "scandal" .

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 5:47:25 PM   
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If true it is a tragedy... I don't put it past this being propaganda however. But... even if true I'm sure it was an accident. These American boys are not going to purposely target little girls.

We have little choice but to pursue this war anyway we can and taking out leaders will in the long run save more lives. It is either this or putting thousands of our men and women in harms way... they have a right to live as well.

I also don't think this should be politicized... President Obama pursued this war the same way and I believe it is the best of a bad situation... AND NOT OUR FAULT.

There is an enemy trying their best to kill us and they could not give a shit less about killing little girls. IT IS THEIR FAULT.

Butch


The only person who thinks this thread is about the US intentionally killing an 8 year old girl are those who are easily confused.

My point here is that Trump is already worse than the very worst of Obama. Obviously I'm not a SEAL raid expert or anything, but it seems pretty obvious that the whole thing was poorly planned and executed, just like all of Trump's other decisions.

You are correct, you are certainly no expert on this.

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 5:49:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

If true it is a tragedy... I don't put it past this being propaganda however. But... even if true I'm sure it was an accident. These American boys are not going to purposely target little girls.

We have little choice but to pursue this war anyway we can and taking out leaders will in the long run save more lives. It is either this or putting thousands of our men and women in harms way... they have a right to live as well.

I also don't think this should be politicized... President Obama pursued this war the same way and I believe it is the best of a bad situation... AND NOT OUR FAULT.

There is an enemy trying their best to kill us and they could not give a shit less about killing little girls. IT IS THEIR FAULT.

Butch


The only person who thinks this thread is about the US intentionally killing an 8 year old girl are those who are easily confused.

My point here is that Trump is already worse than the very worst of Obama. Obviously I'm not a SEAL raid expert or anything, but it seems pretty obvious that the whole thing was poorly planned and executed, just like all of Trump's other decisions.

Trump told them to go there, the SEALs planned and executed it.

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 5:52:35 PM   
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I doubt he told them where to go... I would think the raid was already planned for sometime and they just asked for the go a head.

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 5:59:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Yes, it is a sad day for the family and the death of a child is tragic.

However, I wish to point out a few things that seem to be ignored.

1) had it been a drone attack, the collateral damage (i.e non combatant casualties) would have been higher.
2) The navy seals have the LOWEST collateral damage of any American spec ops units, and team six is lower than the rest of the seal teams.
3) In a fire fight, it is impossible to know where every round you put down range is going to hit a combatant, and in a close quarters situation, collateral damage is unavoidable.
4) In a country that demands action against terrorists, when you have solid intel on a target, you move, either with a drone or boots on the ground.
>>> President Clinton was criticized for not ordering attacks when he felt that the intel was not solid enough to warrant the risk of collateral damages.
5) Since 9/11, the success rate of American spec ops in these operations have been extremely high with a very low non combatant casualty count.

And if any of you Monday morning quarter backs do not think that each member of that team feels regret for the death of that child, you are all full of shit.

Unfortunately, these assholes who conduct terrorist attacks keep their wives, children, and even complete strangers in and around their camps, knowing that if the risk to civilians is too great, the US will not hit them.

And while I have been in a debate on the differences between a main stream Muslim and radicalized Muslims, I hold one thing to be true, if we cant convince these bastards to stop using terror as a weapon, then they have to be put down like the animals they are. No man with half a sense of honor kills innocents and claim that it is in the name of god, no god, Muslim, Christian or other wise condones such acts, and when you consider that the source of Islam is rooted in the old testament (Jews and Muslims both claim to be descendants of Abraham) every one of these bastards deserves to die.

The death of this child will weigh on the men who conducted the raid, they are after all, human. However the sin associated with her death rests squarely on the individuals who put her in the line of fire.

And blaming President Trump for acting on the advice of his Intel and military advisors is bullshit. Just like it was bullshit to blame President Obama for civilian casualties involved in every drone strike he ordered.

Like it or not, he is the President, legally elected under our constitution. I didnt vote for him, I didnt vote for Hillary, but he did win. It does not matter if he did not win the popular vote, he is not the first president to win an election this way.

So, bottom line, if you believe in a higher power, pray for the souls of the innocent, pray that the ones who put them there suffer righteous judgement for all their sins.

As for the rest of it, none of us where in the oval office when the order was given, none of us heard the intel used to justify the strike.

I didn't vote for Obama either but I thought that attacking him for collateral damage in a drone attack was thoughtless and stupid.
I also agree that the blame lies with the people using children as shield except maybe to people who consider ISIS to be the good guys.

< Message edited by BamaD -- 2/1/2017 6:04:30 PM >


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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 6:01:57 PM   
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Islamic Terrorists are Notorious for using children as Human shield.

Ask any soldiers who have fought in the past wars personally been out in the field as an infantry soldier. They have came face to face with children between 8 to 10 yr old with guns sent out as front line.

I expect some Children casualty if it's all out war.

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 6:05:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

One of the worst 'scandals' in Obama's 8 years (16 year old American killed in drone strike) has already been topped by Trump.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/president-trump-ordered-raid-kills-8-year-old-american-girl-article-1.2960256

I will explain this to you because while anyone with any brains already knows this, you don't seem to understand. In a firefight bullets fly every where and innocent people get hit, a tragedy but it happens. Only a fool would even imagine that the troops were sent in to kill the 8 year old.


Yeah, I said the troops were sent in to kill an 8 year old.
That's my point.

Your so smart, Bama.

Of course you didn't, (and I neer said you did) but if her death was not the object of the raid the thread is pointless. The only way you can rationally make this Trump's scandal is if he sent them after her.
It was, unless the point of the raid one of those unfortunate tragedies but in no way Trumps fault any more than it was Obama's fault when her brother was killed. Only you hatred for Trump and all things American makes this a "scandal" .


Right, that's the only way!

You don't think giving the go-ahead to turn the place where she was staying into a firefight means anything?

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 6:09:02 PM   
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I doubt he told them where to go... I would think the raid was already planned for sometime and they just asked for the go a head.

A distinct possibility. I should have said that at most he told them where to go. I suspect he may have had to OK the raid. But then you are a relative expert.

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 6:12:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

One of the worst 'scandals' in Obama's 8 years (16 year old American killed in drone strike) has already been topped by Trump.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/president-trump-ordered-raid-kills-8-year-old-american-girl-article-1.2960256

I will explain this to you because while anyone with any brains already knows this, you don't seem to understand. In a firefight bullets fly every where and innocent people get hit, a tragedy but it happens. Only a fool would even imagine that the troops were sent in to kill the 8 year old.


Yeah, I said the troops were sent in to kill an 8 year old.
That's my point.

Your so smart, Bama.

Of course you didn't, (and I neer said you did) but if her death was not the object of the raid the thread is pointless. The only way you can rationally make this Trump's scandal is if he sent them after her.
It was, unless the point of the raid one of those unfortunate tragedies but in no way Trumps fault any more than it was Obama's fault when her brother was killed. Only you hatred for Trump and all things American makes this a "scandal" .


Right, that's the only way!

You don't think giving the go-ahead to turn the place where she was staying into a firefight means anything?

Yep we fight back, we go after an HQ we don't roll over a die because there is a chance that the scum will find children to hide behind. The blame lies totally with the terrorists who hi behind her.

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 6:15:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

One of the worst 'scandals' in Obama's 8 years (16 year old American killed in drone strike) has already been topped by Trump.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/president-trump-ordered-raid-kills-8-year-old-american-girl-article-1.2960256

I will explain this to you because while anyone with any brains already knows this, you don't seem to understand. In a firefight bullets fly every where and innocent people get hit, a tragedy but it happens. Only a fool would even imagine that the troops were sent in to kill the 8 year old.


Mostly agreement - except :

Obama purposely went after the son of a terrorist who had done nothing wrong. It was NOT collateral damage, it was NOT an accident, it was willful and on purpose.

And BTW, I do not believe tthe shit about Bin Laden, not for a minute. Throw his body into the ocean where nobody can see it ? Let me tell you about government. When you smell a rat, there is a rat.

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 6:17:33 PM   
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Just like you guessing no expert here... but it does seem logical... because as we know Trump is very deliberating and would never fly off the handle willy-nilly

Butch

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 6:17:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

If true it is a tragedy... I don't put it past this being propaganda however. But... even if true I'm sure it was an accident. These American boys are not going to purposely target little girls.

We have little choice but to pursue this war anyway we can and taking out leaders will in the long run save more lives. It is either this or putting thousands of our men and women in harms way... they have a right to live as well.

I also don't think this should be politicized... President Obama pursued this war the same way and I believe it is the best of a bad situation... AND NOT OUR FAULT.

There is an enemy trying their best to kill us and they could not give a shit less about killing little girls. IT IS THEIR FAULT.

Butch


The only person who thinks this thread is about the US intentionally killing an 8 year old girl are those who are easily confused.

My point here is that Trump is already worse than the very worst of Obama. Obviously I'm not a SEAL raid expert or anything, but it seems pretty obvious that the whole thing was poorly planned and executed, just like all of Trump's other decisions.

You are correct, you are certainly no expert on this.

You wouldn't be able to judge that RIFfed welfare patient.

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RE: Trump's first military operation kills an 8 year ol... - 2/1/2017 6:19:36 PM   
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her "father" is dead


So, what should we do? Suggest our enemies do not live with their and other's children while they threaten ours? I think we should suggest that since they apparently figure they would be safe with children around them. So wait, apparently the enemies of America want to use children and even women as shields. Yes, I think that is the real story.


They don't use human shields, know why ?

HUMAN SHIELDS DO NOT WORK !

They tried to lay that shit on the Palestinians but it is a proven fact those dogs in the IDF will shoot right through them.

T^T

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