jlf1961
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The only person who thinks this thread is about the US intentionally killing an 8 year old girl are those who are easily confused.
My point here is that Trump is already worse than the very worst of Obama. Obviously I'm not a SEAL raid expert or anything, but it seems pretty obvious that the whole thing was poorly planned and executed, just like all of Trump's other decisions.
Since clearly you are clueless on the chain of command and exactly how such operations are conducted, let me explain, in such a way that even a brain dead rock can understand.
1) Intel comes across the desk of some analyst setting in some cubicle either in the Pentagon, CIA or some other building. This Intel could be in the form of intercepted electronic communications, satellite photos, an operative on the ground embedded in the organization, or all of the above.
2) The analyst passes it to his supervisor, who passes it to his supervisor who then gives it to either one of the President's Intelligence or military advisors.
3) This individual then goes over the data with his advisors, including members of Special Operations Command, after he gets their input, including whether or not it is even possible to conduct any operation, he then takes it to the President.
4) The president sits down with his staff that has been selected for this kind of situation, discusses it either for a period of time, could be a long period, could be less than an hour.
>>>> During this meeting, he is informed how long that the intel could be considered 'golden' and at what point that the intel is too old to guarantee a viable operation.
5) The president either orders a go or no go, after being told exactly what the possibilities of the operation success, collateral damage (civilian casualties) and what is needed.
6) If a go order is made, then the intel goes back to Special Operations command who then contact the team that will be assigned to make the raid, the two teams that will be assigned as cover teams, and the over all strike commander.
7) An op plan is made, a fast rehearsal is done by the strike team, and the package goes back to the desk of the President, who then makes a final decision to go.
The president is not involved in planning, or anything else besides ordering the initial go and confirming the order after the plan has been submitted.
Each op plan is made with the highest possible success rate and trying to insure the lowest possible collateral damage probability.
That being said, no intel is 100% accurate on defenses, civilians in the target zone, or any one of the thousands of variables involved in any operation of this type.
A surgical strike is less likely to have civilian casualties as a drone strike, and a hell of a lot less than an actual air strike, and there is no strike plan is 100% safe in the sense that there is always the probability that civilians are going to be caught in the cross fire.
And once in the target area, it is impossible to extract a team safely even if a shot has not been fired. As soon as they are inserted, the enemy knows they are there, unless it is a HALO insertion, and looking at the area in question, I find it doubtful that it was HALO.
To call it poorly planned by Trump is the epitome of nonsense and blatant stupidity. No president is involved in any operation of this type.
It is just an educated guess, based on experience serving in this type of unit, but I would say by the time those men were on the ground, the intel was a minimum of 48 to 72 hours old.
And since these people move constantly, it is impossible to have plans for every location they might be at any given time. To be honest, I am actually surprised that any of the target individuals were still in the op area. For the most part, given the tendency of these terrorist leaders to move around, I would say that of the operations we actually hear about in the news, five have been planned, and 2 or 3 put into operation and the team find that nobody is still around, and thus extracted without ever firing a shot.
You have to understand, if the primary or secondary target individuals are not in the op area, teams are to withdrawal without firing a shot, this stems from Spec Op operations in Viet Nam. It is no longer a goal of a body count, these are surgical strikes with the best the US has to offer.
Men that you are not even worthy enough to lick the dust from their boots.
< Message edited by jlf1961 -- 2/1/2017 6:21:35 PM >
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