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Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/2/2017 4:50:17 PM   
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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/01/politics/australia-us-refugee-deal-turnbull-trump/index.html?sr=fbcnni020217australia-us-refugee-deal-turnbull-trump0132PMVODtopLink&linkId=34043798
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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/2/2017 5:01:51 PM   
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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/01/politics/australia-us-refugee-deal-turnbull-trump/index.html?sr=fbcnni020217australia-us-refugee-deal-turnbull-trump0132PMVODtopLink&linkId=34043798

Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia?

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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/2/2017 5:15:28 PM   
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Geeze. Thanks Obama.

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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/2/2017 6:13:19 PM   
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Actually, a very good question.

With a very complicated answer.

To begin with, Australia has been dealing with refugees and an almost as big a problem with illegal aliens for a number of years now.

They, like many Americans (even a growing number of liberals who will not admit it) are beginning to see the strain on their economies and infrastructure from the influx.

To compound matters, both the US and Australia or signers of the Geneva Accords that directly addresses the refugee problem, which basically states that countries are required by international agreement to take as many refugees as their immigration agencies can handle over a given period of time.

However, that agreement fails to take into consideration many factors that directly impact how many refugees can be handled by a country.

Further complicating the matter is that the country accepting the refugees is responsible for their health and welfare, meaning a direct impact on that countries national expenses.

This means the wealthier countries are expected to take more refugees.

Now, for a refugee to get the right to work, he/she has to be approved by the immigration agency. Since they are refugees, they do not have the advantage of many foreign nationals as already having a job waiting for them.

So, long story short, we have to feed them, house them, keep them or get them healthy, all expenses to the government that, by international agreement does not have to be paid back.

To make matters worse, some "Humanitarian" organizations consider illegal aliens entering a country seeking jobs as "economic" refugees.

And now to piss off everyone on the left.

As it stands, I get mad as hell when I call a government agency, or my doctor's office or my pharmacy and get the "Press one for English" bullshit.

So, in my opinion, three things needs to be done, since I am getting even more pissed at some of the shit my taxes is spent on.

1) Refugees coming to the US should be put to work as soon as they are acclimatized to what ever area they arrive in. I dont care if it means they are cleaning up garbage on the side of the road, make em do something useful while we process, feed and house them.

They can even get paid, as long as their cost of room and board is deducted from their paycheck.

2) Before being allowed to leave the refugee center and get a better job and chase the American dream, they need to be fluent in English, at least at a 6th grade level.

Until they can hold a conversation in English with little problem, they stay at the refugee center picking up garbage.

3) If they want to become citizens, forget the fucking classes, put em in the fucking military and make them earn their citizenship. They become US citizens after a six year hitch, along with their wife and children. They die while serving, citizenship is automatically granted to wife and kids.

As far as illegal aliens go, when caught, give them a choice deportation and a guarantee of a 50 year prison sentence in the worst hell hole in the US if they come back and get caught again, or 10 years in the military with a promise of citizenship IF they have a clean military record.

One more point, at the first utterance or confirmed connection to some Islamist or anti American group, immediate execution, no trial, no excuses.



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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/2/2017 6:22:39 PM   
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When this shit happened.

I did post a thread on this, like WTF is Australia denying entry to their refugees and somehow convincing Obama to take them!

And also, why America? Why not Canada!

I agree with Trump it was a dumb deal. I said it was dumb before Trump said it was dumb.

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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/2/2017 11:43:16 PM   
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One more point, at the first utterance or confirmed connection to some Islamist or anti American group, immediate execution, no trial, no excuses.



I am hoping you meant to type "immediate expulsion" and not what you actually wrote. Please tell me my hopes are not in vain.

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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/3/2017 1:00:34 AM   
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154949345241171&set=a.10150681936806171.455399.686031170&type=3&theater

This is an EMPTY tent city in Saudi Arabia. It has power, plumbing, air conditioning. It could comfortably house 3 million refugees right now. Before you lecture me on refugees, lecture their neighbours.

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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/3/2017 4:25:04 AM   
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One more point, at the first utterance or confirmed connection to some Islamist or anti American group, immediate execution, no trial, no excuses.



I am hoping you meant to type "immediate expulsion" and not what you actually wrote. Please tell me my hopes are not in vain.


He meant it and I agree. Fukum.

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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/3/2017 4:28:44 AM   
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154949345241171&set=a.10150681936806171.455399.686031170&type=3&theater

This is an EMPTY tent city in Saudi Arabia. It has power, plumbing, air conditioning. It could comfortably house 3 million refugees right now. Before you lecture me on refugees, lecture their neighbours.


Agreed, Those face kissing bitches benefit by and support most of the wars the US starts which creates these refugees so they should have to take their fair share. Fukum.

Maybe Trump will piss them assholes off too. There is plenty of oil on this planet, Saudi Arabia could slide off to the moon right now and not bother us one bit.

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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/3/2017 7:42:53 AM   
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So, long story short, we have to feed them, house them, keep them or get them healthy, all expenses to the government that, by international agreement does not have to be paid back.


We in South Florida have had considerable experience taking in refugees from Latin America. From May to September, 1980 the county of Miami-Dade took in 125,000 refugees from Cuba. They arrived in a flotilla of small boats dispatched from Miami. Counter intuitively, the result was a minimal effect on the employment and wages of other residents, including low skilled Blacks. THE IMPACT OF THE MARIEL BOATLIFT ON THE MIAMI LABOR MARKET

I was teaching middle school in the Cuban neighborhood of Miami at the time. It was an exciting and interesting experience. Granted that Castro had emptied his mental hospitals and jails but many of those were quickly rounded up and incarcerated in Atlanta for deportation. Decades later Miami is a prosperous city with beautiful middle class neighborhoods of single family homes built up to the west.

There's no reason, other than political, AFAIK, that Australia cannot absorb 1200 boat people when Miami absorbed 125,000.

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1) Refugees coming to the US should be put to work as soon as they are acclimatized to what ever area they arrive in. I dont care if it means they are cleaning up garbage on the side of the road, make em do something useful while we process, feed and house them.

Of course, many may be children and elderly.

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2) Before being allowed to leave the refugee center and get a better job and chase the American dream, they need to be fluent in English, at least at a 6th grade level.

Fluency in a foreign language become more difficult as a person ages.

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3) If they want to become citizens, forget the fucking classes, put em in the fucking military and make them earn their citizenship. They become US citizens after a six year hitch, along with their wife and children. They die while serving, citizenship is automatically granted to wife and kids.

Many of the males may not be of service age.

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We here are misinformed of how refugees are assimilated into American society. Your three prescriptions reflect that misinformation.

How are refugees brought to America?

According to the U.S. State Department, prospective refugees are referred for resettlement to the United States by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), the U.S. Embassy, or an approved non-governmental organization. They are referred to what's called the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program.

At that point, resettlement workers help refugees and their families prepare their case to present to the Department of Homeland Security. DHS officials screen hopeful refugees, who must undergo a thorough security clearance and medical exams before they can be cleared for admission to the U.S.

Once they are cleared, refugees are allocated to one of nine private NGOs that contract with the federal government. These agencies then take refugees through the resettlement process.

How is it decided where refugees will live in the U.S.?

Once the resettlement agencies are allocated a number of refugees, they go case-by-case to determine where individual refugee families will be best off.

People who have relatives or friends in a particular city may likely go to where they have those personal connections. Lillian Alba with the Los Angeles-area office of the U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants, one of the nine agencies, said staff members check on these relatives and friends to make sure they know the refugees, then allow them to act as sponsors.

But sponsors aren't necessary, Alba said. Resettlement agencies also try to place people where there's an existing immigrant community from the same country, people who share the refugees' cultural background and language.

“We look at the cultural, religious resources, interpreters, faith based organizations…we evaluate employment, housing – if it is affordable – and if the community is able and willing and welcoming of this refugee," Alba said. "All of these aspects are taken into consideration when placing someone in a particular city."

Factors like whether there are any special health needs are also taken into consideration, she said.

The entire resettlement process can take up to a couple of years, Alba said, with much depending on how long it takes to screen refugees.

How do refugees get on their feet after they arrive?

For the first 90 days after refugees arrive, the contracted resettlement agency is responsible for providing them with food, shelter, medical care and other services. They also help them find work, reaching out to local employers, Alba said. This is where immigrant networks can be helpful.

"A lot of refugees, their first job is with a former refugee who is now a business owner, who might now have a supermarket or a bakery," Alba said, " because they understand, they are open to being that support for newcomers. "

The agencies also work with state and local officials so refugees can obtain whatever social services they need. Like other immigrants with legal status, refugees in California are eligible for public state benefits such as the CalFresh food stamp program, Medi-Cal and other services.

[SNIP]

All refugees must undergo thorough background checks in order to admitted to the United States. Federal officials say that refugees from certain countries such as Syria are especially scrutinized. Biometric information is collected, and individuals are put through criminal background checks and reviews of their travel history, among other things.

Homeland Security, the FBI, the State Department and the National Counterterrorism Center weigh in. Not everyone makes the cut.


SOURCE

There is a lot of misbegotten hysteria in this forum about refugees.

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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/3/2017 7:58:06 AM   
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There's no reason, other than political, AFAIK, that Australia cannot absorb 1200 boat people when Miami absorbed 125,000.



Too true. Australia is perfectly capable of absorbing these asylum seekers. If chooses not to.

The fate of boat people has long been a contentious political football here with the Right side of politics insisting that penniless undocumented boat arrivals somehow threaten the fabric of Australian society. The nation is split over this issue but now both sides of politics are united in their absolute refusal to shoulder Australia's obligations under international law and accept the asylum seekers.

It's sad. It's deplorable. But that's the way it is here, until some common sense and compassion prevails. The fact that almost all European arrivals here up to the age of jet travel where boat people themselves has long disappeared from public discourse.

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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/3/2017 10:07:02 AM   
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Vincent, all things considered, where did I just say 'males' as entering military service?

As for the agencies that house etc refugees, where the hell do you think they get their funding?

Donations yes...

But when donations do not meet the need, they go to that guy in DC.

And as far as fluency in the language, did you notice the grade level I listed, and considering the condition of the US Public Education system, having a 6th grade comprehension and command of the English language is not saying much.

Look it was bad enough when Reagan and those that followed him wanted the US to be the world policeman, which created a lot of our problems with terrorism, anti american sentiment etc.

But now, it seems that everyone wants to send people here instead of dealing with it themselves.

Other countries have some pretty stringent, even draconian requirements for refugees to stay, why not us as well?

My attitude may have something to do with family history, my Cherokee ancestors were run out of their homes by the US army under Jackson's forced relocation plan, or it could be that I am sick and tired of the US being asked to shoulder a share of the problem that is considerably more than other countries.

It doesnt help that after they get here, they bitch and complain about shit that they think needs to be changed, which everyone else seems satisfied with, or they dont want to learn the language and get pissed because I sure as hell dont want to learn theirs.

Personally, I would support an amendment making English the national language.


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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/3/2017 2:09:24 PM   
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Why is it only western nations that are pushed to take in these freaks? Why isn't Saudi Arabia or any other muslim country that is practically next to them or way closer to them being pushed to take them in? After all, a muslim nation is way better suited for these people compared to a western nation.

Pure stupidity.

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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/3/2017 2:21:43 PM   
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Why is it only western nations that are pushed to take in these freaks? Why isn't Saudi Arabia or any other muslim country that is practically next to them or way closer to them being pushed to take them in? After all, a muslim nation is way better suited for these people compared to a western nation.

Pure stupidity.



Why is everyone up in arms that Trump is not happy about it instead of being angry with Australia for not taking them in?

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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/3/2017 2:30:19 PM   
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Tamaka

As much as I disagree with Turnbull trying to fob off the refugees to Trump, Australia shouldn't have to take responsibility also. The country they came from should be the only ones responsible.

The western world shouldn't be held responsible over islam ruining the world.

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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/3/2017 2:32:08 PM   
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The western world shouldn't be held responsible over islam ruining the world.

I think this is the first thing you've ever said that I agree with RM.


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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/3/2017 2:35:30 PM   
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Why is everyone up in arms that Trump is not happy about it instead of being angry with Australia for not taking them in?



I think it's because Trump is a wanker, tamaka.

I hope that helps.

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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/3/2017 2:37:33 PM   
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The western world shouldn't be held responsible over islam ruining the world.

I think this is the first thing you've ever said that I agree with RM.



Eh? You and RM have always been as one on the matter of Muslims, haven't you, FD?


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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/3/2017 8:29:39 PM   
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Tamaka

As much as I disagree with Turnbull trying to fob off the refugees to Trump, Australia shouldn't have to take responsibility also. The country they came from should be the only ones responsible.

The western world shouldn't be held responsible over islam ruining the world.

Jesus! What a clueless remark.


Traditionally, the home country is the one from which they are escaping as refugees.



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RE: Why doesn't Australia just let them live in Australia? - 2/3/2017 8:46:30 PM   
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What is your solution? We shouldn't be held responsible for their fuck ups. They fucked up their societies, bad luck, don't wreck ours too.

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