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PeonForHer -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 2:19:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer It's written into your culture to be violent. All Americans want to be just like all the violent killers in all the Hollywood films. Muslims have their Koran, which is full of violence; Americans have Hollywood, which is full of violence. Milo getting attacked by Americans is the result of just how Americans are. Actually, we got that from our political parents. I wish I could recall-to-link the picture of British soldiers having a line-up of Indian resistors with hands bound behind back and heads bound to the mouth of cannons, just before firing. As for execution. That was almost funny, in a very sick way. Which is why I have no inclination to search it out again. Well, there you go. Everybody else in the world should put up walls against both us Brits and you Americans. It sounds stupid - and indeed it is stupid. But you can see how easy it'd be to put together some crap argument to the effect that an entire culture of people should be barred from entry into one's country. The equivalents of us lefty-lib types here on this forum across the world might say, 'Oh, but not all Americans and Brits are like that. Look at the Bible - that Jesus - peaceable chap - nice!' But the rejoinder would be 'What the fuck has the Bible got to do with the way those Yanks and Brits are? Nobody reads the Bible in those countries, but everybody slavers over the constant stream of violent films they produce. That is what westerners really are!'. But that would of course be shit. All of which is to say: I am so tired of the unending stream of posts by the farties here along the lines of 'Muslims are violent - just look at what it says in the Koran!'. It's so comprehensively, moronically, irrelevant. You cannot look at any given aspect of a person's culture - even their religion - and assume that you can somehow read from that entirely what that person is (or 'is underneath' in some usually-unstated way). It's utterly stupid, chronically tiresome, bollocks.

Edwird -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 2:24:48 PM)
This is so unrelentingly disappointing. The US, by way of Jimmy Carter, had the Israel/ME situation -almost- sorted, but in any case certainly more so than up to that point. But then the actions of 1953 came to blow up in our faces almost immediately afterwards. The Iranian revolution. Britains and French drew the ME maps immediately following WW I, along with direction from British owned BP (at the time) and Standard Oil in the US. Which immediately shoved together otherwise millennial enemies who had spent centuries figuring out whatever combination of distance and accommodation. Then Britain stealing Palestinian land to insert Israel after WW II. Then Britain's BP having a hissy fit when Mossadegh nationalized the oil companies. Their effort at overthrowing democracy in Iran failed, so they sought help from the CIA, who'd had some previous success in that venture in South America. The US saved Britain's (along with BP and US Standard oil, or Chevron) ass in Iran, which the US paid dearly for 26 years later, but now the US and most of Europe are having to deal with that issue at present. If Britain's BP could have just STFU and dealt with it, it would be an entirely different situation now. It took Eisenhower and Khrushchev and the UN to make attempt at saving Britain and France from further embarrassment than they'd already imbued themselves with in the Suez/Egypt situation in 1957. Whereas Jimmy Carter gave the Panama Canal back to its rightful owners, unlike Britain and the Suez,, realizing that we'd made our investment back ten time over already. Who expects anyone, or country, to learn from history when they don't even know their own history in the first place. And the former super powers' lack of basic understanding of their 'impulse control issues' regarding their still ongoing brutal colonization efforts, and the violence inherent thereby. Nobody's perfect, the US needs to do better, no question. But whiney-bitch juvenile snark from the gallery isn't helping, here. Come up with solutions, or, heaven forbid, show better example in your own doings.

BoscoX -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 2:44:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer No, political violence by Americans is a uniquely American phenomenon, Bosco. You Americans love blowing each others brains out with your guns, for instance. The whole world knows how you love your guns, and killing each other with them. It's all in your Hollywood films ... which you all know and love infinitely more than you do your Christian Bible. I meant the other one

PeonForHer -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 2:49:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird This is so unrelentingly disappointing. The US, by way of Jimmy Carter, had the Israel/ME situation -almost- sorted, but in any case certainly more so than up to that point. But then the actions of 1953 came to blow up in our faces almost immediately afterwards. The Iranian revolution. Britains and French drew the ME maps immediately following WW I, along with direction from British owned BP (at the time) and Standard Oil in the US. Then Britain stealing Palestinian land to insert Israel after WW II. Then Britain's BP having a hissy fit when Mossadegh nationalized the oil companies. Their effort at overthrowing democracy in Iran failed, so they sought help from the CIA, who'd had some success in that venture in South America. The US saved Britain's (along with BP and US Standard oil, or Chevron) ass in Iran, which the US paid dearly for 26 years later, but now the US and most of Europe having to deal with that issue at present. It took Eisenhower and Khrushchev and the UN to make attempt at saving Britain and France from further embarrassment than they'd already imbued themselves with in the Suez situation in 1957. Who expects anyone, or country, to learn from history when they don't even know their own history in the first place. And the former super powers' lack of basic understanding of their 'impulse control issues' regarding their still ongoing brutal colonization efforts, and the violence inherent thereby. Nobody's perfect, but the US needs to do better, no question. But whiney-bitch from the gallery isn't helping, here. Come up with solutions, or, heaven forbid, show better example in your own doings. Perhaps I wasn't clear, Edwird: I have no interest in pressing a case for Britain being somehow holier than the USA, or vice versa. That entire argument is balls to me.

Edwird -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 3:12:21 PM)
No, you were clear enough; the USA is inherently violent, supposedly as in contrast to other countries. It's possible that we are.There are certainly enough Protestants to that cause, here. I was just pointing out the relation of fallen apple to the tree.

BoscoX -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 3:21:14 PM)
UC Berkeley Thug Who Beat Conservative and Bragged About It Online - Is University Staff Member! Smart, just like our little alt left crew right here Let's see him get fired then prosecuted for a couple of felonies, including a hate crime

mnottertail -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 3:33:20 PM)
oF COURSE the nutsucker slobber blogs cant make up their minds whether its Ian Dabney Miller or Eugene V. Debs, neither of whom work for the university, but work for the nutsucker OKeefe. Clearly nutsucker propaganda with no facts or credible citations. It was poor students being beaten by nutsucker goons and thugs.

Flowingwater -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 3:34:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX UC Berkeley Thug Who Beat Conservative and Bragged About It Online - Is University Staff Member! Smart, just like our little alt left crew right here Let's see him get fired then prosecuted for a couple of felonies, including a hate crime Sure, this all happened. People from the left started a riot in Berkeley and injured multiple people. They should be tried and sent to jail. I don't get what this has to do with your belief. Do you think the left is more violent than the right, or do you think they get away with more than the right? What do you believe about Democrats and the left wing in this country Bosco?

Edwird -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 4:23:41 PM)
I didn't catch your following response until after I took my usual sojourn-around-the-world time in writing my response to your earlier. (Like I am in this instance.) See why I didn't do well in school, here? I live in an area with one tanker-load after another of Chinese, come here for their state-paid-for education, and some Pakistanis and some Eritrians (the former of whom it took a a year or two to learn not to scream belligerently into customers' faces, as was custom in their own county) who run the convenience stores, and some proportion of Hindu or Islamic or Sickh Indis (Indians?), etc. I only see Mexicans or South Americans every once in awhile. But us whites and blacks (the latter who make up ~54% of the county demographic) are holding the fort!. It's just a carnival, what's happening in DC or Wall street or wherever. I'm just looking up Betty Boop cartoons on youtube, that's my response. If you want to look at people who quit bitching and just actually DO something instead, look at modern Germany. What a serious screw-up, and then look at them now. Why do you think it scared the holy bejeezus out of me when Reagan was elected? I was hearing too much of the same thing, and so was the rest of the country, as the Germans heard in 1932-34. But we survived that, and we might or might not survive Trump. I. Just. Don't. Care. That's where I am with it, now. I am NOT going through that again. I've been through a number of "survival skills" and "nature skills" classes,/adventures, led mostly by Native Americans. And I lived ten years as a mostly vegan, and only have to do with animal stuff when visiting others at present. I'm ready to go if the big melon drops. I Can make own shelter, find own food, etc. I'm sure that doesn't sound exactly 'encouraging' or anything. I know we should be doing better for ourselves, as general society. But it's just not happening for me, right now. And I'm not worried, TBH. I'm taking whatever neighbors-without-vehickles and homeless street people to their errands, and I just get home from that and my work and that's all I give a darn about. By whatever inclination, I'm inclined to proven survivors almost exclusively these days. Especially after . . . That.

Edwird -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 5:16:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX UC Berkeley Thug Who Beat Conservative and Bragged About It Online - Is University Staff Member! Smart, just like our little alt left crew right here Let's see him get fired then prosecuted for a couple of felonies, including a hate crime What is it with you? Mom punched you in the face when you were expecting expecting the nipple? Uncle or older cousin made you have weird feelings? Unfortunately, there aren't sufficient funds, private or national, to investigate the question of nature vs. nurture origins of alt fuckhead, such affliction as has apparently occurred here. Whatever case, how long are you going to whine and sissy-cry about this?

heavyblinker -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 5:38:30 PM)
Resistance of Trump/alt-right is completely justified, and people are far more likely to act violently when they believe that doing so will advance a just cause. No, he does not deserve a chance-- he has made that perfectly clear. I don't think this is the way to go about it, though. If you keep pushing the sociopathic children now in the white house, sooner or later they're going to push back. Maybe that's also the point though, I'm not sure.

BamaD -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 6:21:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Resistance of Trump/alt-right is completely justified, and people are far more likely to act violently when they believe that doing so will advance a just cause. No, he does not deserve a chance-- he has made that perfectly clear. I don't think this is the way to go about it, though. If you keep pushing the sociopathic children now in the white house, sooner or later they're going to push back. Maybe that's also the point though, I'm not sure. But while you lack the guts to do it, you have stated you would be so relived if someone murdered Trump. And if you think that violence against trump supporters think of how much more justified it will be when they fight back. I don't want to see when that happens, it will be truely ugly, an the fault will lie with the guttless rable rousers who sen those less fortunate than them out to die in their place.

mnottertail -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 6:48:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Resistance of Trump/alt-right is completely justified, and people are far more likely to act violently when they believe that doing so will advance a just cause. No, he does not deserve a chance-- he has made that perfectly clear. I don't think this is the way to go about it, though. If you keep pushing the sociopathic children now in the white house, sooner or later they're going to push back. Maybe that's also the point though, I'm not sure. But while you lack the guts to do it, you have stated you would be so relived if someone murdered Trump. And if you think that violence against trump supporters think of how much more justified it will be when they fight back. I don't want to see when that happens, it will be truely ugly, an the fault will lie with the guttless rable rousers who sen those less fortunate than them out to die in their place. We know nutsuckers dont fight,they get deferrments for bone spurs and so on. you are not helping your case, welfare patient.

heavyblinker -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 7:57:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Resistance of Trump/alt-right is completely justified, and people are far more likely to act violently when they believe that doing so will advance a just cause. No, he does not deserve a chance-- he has made that perfectly clear. I don't think this is the way to go about it, though. If you keep pushing the sociopathic children now in the white house, sooner or later they're going to push back. Maybe that's also the point though, I'm not sure. But while you lack the guts to do it, you have stated you would be so relived if someone murdered Trump. And if you think that violence against trump supporters think of how much more justified it will be when they fight back. I don't want to see when that happens, it will be truely ugly, an the fault will lie with the guttless rable rousers who sen those less fortunate than them out to die in their place. I think resistance to Trump is justified... I said 'I don't think this is the way to go about it'. I also said in that same thread that while I might feel relief if he died, assassination wouldn't be ideal precisely because I know that the RWNJs would explode. And I don't want to kill anyone, in fact... if you think that's a weakness, then I'm pretty sure you just lost your moral high ground.

BamaD -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 8:46:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Resistance of Trump/alt-right is completely justified, and people are far more likely to act violently when they believe that doing so will advance a just cause. No, he does not deserve a chance-- he has made that perfectly clear. I don't think this is the way to go about it, though. If you keep pushing the sociopathic children now in the white house, sooner or later they're going to push back. Maybe that's also the point though, I'm not sure. But while you lack the guts to do it, you have stated you would be so relived if someone murdered Trump. And if you think that violence against trump supporters think of how much more justified it will be when they fight back. I don't want to see when that happens, it will be truely ugly, an the fault will lie with the guttless rable rousers who sen those less fortunate than them out to die in their place. I think resistance to Trump is justified... I said 'I don't think this is the way to go about it'. I also said in that same thread that while I might feel relief if he died, assassination wouldn't be ideal precisely because I know that the RWNJs would explode. And I don't want to kill anyone, in fact... if you think that's a weakness, then I'm pretty sure you just lost your moral high ground. No you on't want to murder him, you want someone else to. This means you favor murder but you are two yellow to do it yourself. Thus I have contempt for you because you justify violence. I have contempt for you because you want others on the firing line you are to chicken to do it yourself. I have contempt for you because you hate everything American even if you are too blind to see it.

mnottertail -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 8:57:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Resistance of Trump/alt-right is completely justified, and people are far more likely to act violently when they believe that doing so will advance a just cause. No, he does not deserve a chance-- he has made that perfectly clear. I don't think this is the way to go about it, though. If you keep pushing the sociopathic children now in the white house, sooner or later they're going to push back. Maybe that's also the point though, I'm not sure. But while you lack the guts to do it, you have stated you would be so relived if someone murdered Trump. And if you think that violence against trump supporters think of how much more justified it will be when they fight back. I don't want to see when that happens, it will be truely ugly, an the fault will lie with the guttless rable rousers who sen those less fortunate than them out to die in their place. I think resistance to Trump is justified... I said 'I don't think this is the way to go about it'. I also said in that same thread that while I might feel relief if he died, assassination wouldn't be ideal precisely because I know that the RWNJs would explode. And I don't want to kill anyone, in fact... if you think that's a weakness, then I'm pretty sure you just lost your moral high ground. No you on't want to murder him, you want someone else to. This means you favor murder but you are two yellow to do it yourself. Thus I have contempt for you because you justify violence. I have contempt for you because you want others on the firing line you are to chicken to do it yourself. I have contempt for you because you hate everything American even if you are too blind to see it. You had to have somebody spell contempt for you, didnt you?, welfare patient.

heavyblinker -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/4/2017 9:06:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Thus I have contempt for you because you justify violence. So violence is never justified?

Edwird -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/5/2017 3:09:07 AM)
When attacked. For self defense. etc. It's certainly arguable that some of Trumps decisions or actions might result in harm to the country, to the citizens. But if he's not attacking me or my family physically, (not actually possible, since two of my three sisters would take him down immediately, and one of my nieces, too) I'm not going to commit violence, nor endorse anyone else doing so. The issue is, he got voted to the position, electoral college overruling popular vote being a part of our constitution. Even if Trump fell 3 million votes short, our political process puts us in this situation, with still millions of Trump voters in any case. If those people want to be heard, then let them be heard and we'll see how it works out. I know that numerous of Trump's appointments remind me of Reagan's appointments, hiring people to destroy the department they are running, etc. But I learned that we survived that, and I learned that nobody learned a single godamned thing from the financial crisis, and I learned that I just don't give a flying fuck anymore, sorry for those who do. Violence in protests might be warranted on some occasions, in some places, if not violent to humans. The majority of violence in protest against cop killings was against buildings or vehicles, not people. An American attempting to do serious harm to Trump is just stupid beyond any reason. I don't care how much I don't like the guy or you don't like the guy or how much anyone else doesn't like him.

BamaD -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/5/2017 3:39:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird When attacked. For self defense. etc. It's certainly arguable that some of Trumps decisions or actions might result in harm to the country, to the citizens. But if he's not attacking me or my family physically, (not actually possible, since two of my three sisters would take him down immediately, and one of my nieces, too) I'm not going to commit violence, nor endorse anyone else doing so. The issue is, he got voted to the position, electoral college overruling popular vote being a part of our constitution. Even if Trump fell 3 million votes short, our political process puts us in this situation, with still millions of Trump voters in any case. If those people want to be heard, then let them be heard and we'll see how it works out. I know that numerous of Trump's appointments remind me of Reagan's appointments, hiring people to destroy the department they are running, etc. But I learned that we survived that, and I learned that nobody learned a single godamned thing from the financial crisis, and I learned that I just don't give a flying fuck anymore, sorry for those who do. Violence in protests might be warranted on some occasions, in some places, if not violent to humans. The majority of violence in protest against cop killings was against buildings or vehicles, not people. An American attempting to do serious harm to Trump is just stupid beyond any reason. I don't care how much I don't like the guy or you don't like the guy or how much anyone else doesn't like him. great post.

BamaD -> RE: Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives (2/5/2017 3:45:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Thus I have contempt for you because you justify violence. So violence is never justified? of course not, but the fact that if you had been a voter in this country the fact that you would have voted for the loser isn't one or the justifiable reasons. An you support exactly that kind of violence while proclaiming people defending their homes to be murders.

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