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What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/6/2004 7:35:53 AM   
drasfr


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Status: offline 		I would be curious to know what you all think about hypnosis, if you have a master/dom that knows how to perform this.

Is it something you would be interested in? That do you think can be interesting? Scary? Why doing it? Why not? What would you expect from it?

and a link about it, related to this subject: http://www.bestslavetraining.com/Hypnosis.htm

Thanks.
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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/6/2004 8:25:33 AM   
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Personally if i cant do it for my dom , then i know i wont do it under hypnosis. It should never be necessary to change a behaviour nor would i personally accept it.

I do not know that i can ever trust someone to that degree where i know they are in that much cintrol of my life. I am a sub and will never be a slave.




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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/6/2004 2:27:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Honestly, I think it's silly. Perhaps its that I've only come accross hypnotism in terms of hypnotism fetishists who's entire desire of BDSM revolves around hypnotising people to "make" them submit.

It just isn't a turn on for me like that.

Too, the friends I've seen undergo hypnotism have generally had poor results/experiences. It didn't solve one friend's problem, and another was "helped" to recover false memories of abuse that never occured by someone she'd never met.

~shrug~

To each their own ;) and I have no doubt if you're into it, it's way fun.

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/6/2004 2:36:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I knew i remembered one other thread on this, found it:

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/6/2004 5:20:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know .... there is such a myth that by hypnotizing someone, you can make them do whatever you want. THis is complete and utter BS. All hypnotism does is to allow you to enter a state of relaxation where you're more susceptible to suggestion. The hypnotised person is completely aware of what is going on around them, completely aware of their actions, and completely able to control their functioning. Hypnotist shows where people bark like a dog or flash their tits are a complete scam.

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/6/2004 6:17:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was thinking this more in term of enhancing sexual pleasure, new sensations. Not to force anything, nor change a personality because it is wrong.

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/6/2004 8:53:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		ron is correct. You won't do anything under hypnosis you don't already want to do. If you find something morally repulsive you're going to find it morally repulsive under hypnosis.

Hypnosis only helps you to take some of your inhibitions away.

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/6/2004 11:31:31 PM   
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quote:

Hypnotist shows where people bark like a dog or flash their tits are a complete scam.


Actually this is not a scam. I have hypnotized people to do this myself. What hypnosis does is allow the subconcious to come to the fore. In this state, you are totally open to suggestion, and barking like a dog would seem like a perfectly sensible thing to do. But you will not do anything that is morally objectionable in this state. So barking after 10 pm is out of the question.

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/7/2004 7:06:01 AM   
Moleculor


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Status: offline 		*cough* I've hypnotized a few people. The possibilities are limited only by imagination (and skill). I can't say I'm an AMAZING hypnotist, but I'm half-way decent.

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/7/2004 2:15:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		*cough* *cough* I can't say I'm a psychiatrist, but I am working towards a Master's in Psychology (and have a bachelor's with a minor is Psych) and I'm telling you this is bullsh*t. Contemporary studies have shown that hypnotism does not have anything to do with a person's subconscious. But you are correct in saying that you're more open to suggestion while hypnotised. However, if you thought barking like a dog was stupid in an non-hypnotic state, you'll still think it's stupid while in a state of hypnotism.

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/7/2004 4:16:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: alwayzron
However, if you thought barking like a dog was stupid in an non-hypnotic state, you'll still think it's stupid while in a state of hypnotism.


Did I claim otherwise? Just because you think it's stupid isn't going to stop you from doing it though.

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/7/2004 5:31:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay .... good point. Let me rephrase that ...

If you wouln't normally bark like a dog in a non-hypnotic state, you probably won't do so while in a state of hypnotism.

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/7/2004 5:40:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Giving of myself consentually, consciously & willingly is very important to my Master. He has expressed this to me from day one of our having met. When i first submitted to Him, i had never offered my total submission to any other. When i offered my submission, i did so with my whole being, 100%. Knowing that i WISH to submit to Him, and have never denied Him a single thing in my submission, in my understanding, is what matters to Him a great deal.

Why would He wish me to serve Him 'subconsciously' when i am already here and willing to serve Him 100% consciously or otherwise? He has a deep appreciation for my desire to please Him through serving Him with no reservations. Due to my understanding of this, i doubt He would be interested in hypnosis.

i trust Him to the fullest extent, and for that reason, He has the final say in what i shall do in serving Him, as well as what i will not do. He need only say the word, and i obey. i fail to see what need He might have of hypnosis in that He already knows without doubt that i'm here to please Him, and He defines what that entails regardless. i don't 'need' hypnosis. i serve Him because He has what it takes to make me WISH to. i am 100% His, ... mind, body & soul. my will belongs to Him as well at every conscious level, regardless.

i'm open to hypnosis, i don't see it as a tool that would be needed in our D/s relationship however. Yet, of course, if Master wished to get involved with hypnosis, i would answer with, 'Yes, Master', no questions asked.


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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/7/2004 6:45:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		In Psyche our professor did a group hypnosis on the class. It was quite interesting.


"Is it something you would be interested in?"

Yes I would be interested in it again.

"What do you think can be interesting?"

The power of suggestion.

"Scarey?"

No

"Why doing it"

If it could help me quit smoking or relax more that would be great!

"What would you expect from it?"

Not too much. Your mind has to be open to it, to get really good results. And mine already has too much going on in it.

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/7/2004 8:11:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: alwayzron

Okay .... good point. Let me rephrase that ...

If you wouln't normally bark like a dog in a non-hypnotic state, you probably won't do so while in a state of hypnotism.


And I never claimed otherwise.

However, how many people do YOU know who have NEVER EVER barked like a dog?

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ORIGINAL: cynnacent1

Giving of myself consentually, consciously & willingly is very important to my Master. He has expressed this to me from day one of our having met. When i first submitted to Him, i had never offered my total submission to any other. When i offered my submission, i did so with my whole being, 100%. Knowing that i WISH to submit to Him, and have never denied Him a single thing in my submission, in my understanding, is what matters to Him a great deal.


Congrats. Why do you feel the need to reiterate consent though? Consent isn't a line that's crossed when using hypnosis.

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ORIGINAL: cynnacent1

Why would He wish me to serve Him 'subconsciously' when i am already here and willing to serve Him 100% consciously or otherwise?


Yes! Why in the WORLD would any person who craves control want even more? I mean... it's unthinkable! If they have a lot of control, surely they aren't going to want even more!

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/8/2004 3:10:55 AM   
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Moleculor: Congrats. Why do you feel the need to reiterate consent though? Consent isn't a line that's crossed when using hypnosis.

i'm not, and the focus of my reply was not intended to reiterate consent. The focus: (As the 1st sentence of the following paragraph within my post states), i am ALREADY here serving Him 100%. Therefore there is NO NEED for hypnosis.

He ALREADY has complete and unlimited control.
my post does not question nor debate the theory of hypnosis being a nonconsentual act

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Moleculor: If they have a lot of control, surely they aren't going to want even more!

i never said 'alot' or 'more', i said 100%, meaning complete & unlimited. He doesn't 'want' for a thing, He already has it.

i think you missed the point of my post ......... somehow. (Or are merely attempting to twist and contort it into something else.)


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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/8/2004 5:48:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, I find it interesting how many folks responding to this thread (as opposed to the last hypnosis thread) seem to be focused on the idea of hypnosis fetish as something that DOMINANTS are interested in. Most of the folks who're interested in hypnosis in a sexual context that I have personally known are all SUBMISSIVES. For most folks, it's a variation of the demon lover archetype, the idea of being entranced and mentally enslaved, forced to do things that you would never, willingly, do if you were in control of yourself. It's pretty much all roleplaying, but let's be real folks - so's the idea of being a slave. SSC, does anyone remember what those three letters stand for?

Of course, I'm not going to comment on the academic pissing contest that's almost, but not quite, getting to the level of personal attacks, other to roll my eyes and wish that I could hose some of y'all down like the barking dogs you are.

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/8/2004 10:32:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		My understanding of hypnosis as a form of positive reinforcement and relaxation techniques is that it can be helpful in those areas, and I have some very limited experience with that area. I can't comment on the possibilities of using it to make someone bark like a dog or anything else, because I have no experience with any of that. However, if I had a Dom who was able to use these relaxation techniques or positive reinforcement as a way of helping me to improve myself or overcome some anxiety or bad habit, etc., I would have no problem with that and in fact, I must admit that the idea of it intrigues me, because of the hypnotic suggestions coming from someone who is such a powerful force in your life. However, not knowing a lot about hypnosis, does the identity (or relationship) of the hypnotist working with you make any difference?

harmony

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/8/2004 12:15:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been hypnotized and I wasn't even really aware that anything was going on. It just think it won't add all that much to play. I understand the desire on the Subs part. Most of my Erotica written before I realized I was sub was all mostly about vampires and what have you taking the power away from the other person involved. I knew it wasn't going to happen, but it didn't stop me from writing it or hoping for it. As for the whole Yes it work, No it doesn't thing. Will a little bit of research or schooling you can prove almost anything from any side of the coin. I've witnessed some rather... interesting fights between my friend where on had proof of one point and the other had proof of the opposite. So there you have it.

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RE: What do you feel about hypnosis? - 12/8/2004 4:14:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: harmony3709

However, not knowing a lot about hypnosis, does the identity (or relationship) of the hypnotist working with you make any difference?

harmony


Much like with many things in life, it depends. If you have two people of perfectly equal (and a reasonable amount of) skill, one who knows you completely and totally, and the other who is a stranger, then the person who knows you will have an easier time crafting more easily absorbed suggestions and/or using better guided imagery.

But then again, I've often times found that the things you do need to know to create good imagery you don't really find out from a person except in two situations... You've known them for YEARS, and have been great friends that entire time, or you try a couple sessions of hypnosis, trying out different techniques, and then asking later what worked and what didn't.

In addition, a person you are more likely to trust will more likely have an easier time putting you into a trance. It's not guaranteed though.

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