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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/25/2006 4:17:10 PM   
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What is also confusing me is that i would think there would have to be a certain amount of mutual 'adoration' in any D/s relationship...for that level of trust and devotion that i yearn to achieve, anyway. 

How will i know if my 'adoration' crosses that line? 
How do i stop it from happening?
Any comments or thoughts on the matter are appreciated.


I have told subs that I would never fall in love with them and that I was moving/leaving/otherwise engaged and it has been fine. I think it matters more that the communication is clear and repeated occasionally, with no sense of being led on by your Top.

I'd speak to him again and find out where this is coming from, experience/worry for his spouse/worry for you? My thoughts on telling my subs the same was to spare them eventual hurt, not b/c I wanted to get away with taking advantage of them.

As to your other questions...

1. You know it's happening if he tells you he feels you are too needy or if you are not focusing on your marriage/home/children...just daydreaming about him.

2. You stop it from happening by being an adult and owning your choices/words/reactions.

I would HIGHLY recommend the book, "The Ethical Slut", by Dossie Easton and Catherine Liszt. It gave me much better communication skills than I had before, even though I am monogamous. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ethical_Slut

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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/25/2006 4:29:38 PM   
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Is there a shot for this? Maybe a potion to relieve this???
Please say YES!

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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/25/2006 4:54:17 PM   
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A shot for not falling in love? Yes there are chemicals that can have that effect, or if you are really just going for full on erasure of emotions you could try to traumatize yourself into alexithymia. But both of those are sort of like saying there is a great cure for AIDS, just inject bleach into the people and it kills the virus.

So I am afraid we are stuck with the emotions and the complications they can bring.

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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/25/2006 4:58:17 PM   
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Too late, I've already fallen in love with mine. 

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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/25/2006 5:06:07 PM   
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I would listen to what he said and make the choice not to fall in love with him. I think he's being as truthful to you as he can about his situation (considering he's married and does not wish to see you hurt).  You can make the choice...don't fall in love with him.
Good luck to you.
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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/25/2006 5:10:07 PM   
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And if you can't refrain, you can consider not seeing him at all.

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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/25/2006 5:22:46 PM   
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i did not know that...that is amazing...it makes sense but it is some how comforting to have science to prove it...but i wonder why that is...and i wonder what does make men fall inlove with women...*slices off a huge piece of chocolate cake for sunshine while we ponder abit*

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Are there going to be orgasms involved? before orgasms are involved even in the meeting stages your brain releases chemicals, adrenaline dopamine and seritonin.
 
Adrenaline
The initial stages of falling for someone activates your stress response, increasing your blood levels of adrenalin and cortisol. This has the charming effect that when you unexpectedly bump into your new love, you start to sweat, your heart races and your mouth goes dry.

Dopamine
Helen Fisher asked newly ‘love struck’ couples to have their brains examined and discovered they have high levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine. This chemical stimulates ‘desire and reward’ by triggering an intense rush of pleasure. It has the same effect on the brain as taking cocaine!

Serotonin
And finally, serotonin. One of love's most important chemicals that may explain why when you’re falling in love, your new lover keeps popping into your thoughts. 

And my guess if you are talking about "play" out side the marriage you are already flushing with these chemicals already...
 

but the killer is Oxytocin - "The cuddle hormone"...if you have orgasms you will release this chemical and this is the one that deepens the feelings of attachment and create strong bonds....
 
No judgment (ok maybe sympathy a little for the poor saps at home) but just know what you are getting into...because i have never had any success telling myself who i should and should not fall in love with.
 


Tigress,

Did you know they did brain scans on people who were having sex?  Interestingly enough, women having sex created oxytocin and the area of the brain that is associated with love showed an increase in activity.

In the brains of men, however, pure adreniline was created and nothing more than the primal regions of the brain were activated.

The conclusions of the study indicated that women will almost surely fall in love with a man if she reaches an orgasm with him enough times.  A man, reaching orgasm the same amount of times with the same woman will not be "programmed" in the same way to love her.

My guess is that it is natures way of bonding a woman to the father of her child (Old instincts die hard).

Now....any more cake?




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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/25/2006 5:31:22 PM   
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Yup, what Irish said.
And then there's the "married" thing.

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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/25/2006 7:08:35 PM   
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Considering the whole "oxytocin" idea makes sense.

Probably why I have learned to avoid intimate involvments with people who have primary partners. Can end up being very distressing for all involved.

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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/25/2006 7:50:32 PM   
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Tigress,

Did you know they did brain scans on people who were having sex?  Interestingly enough, women having sex created oxytocin and the area of the brain that is associated with love showed an increase in activity.

In the brains of men, however, pure adreniline was created and nothing more than the primal regions of the brain were activated.

The conclusions of the study indicated that women will almost surely fall in love with a man if she reaches an orgasm with him enough times.  A man, reaching orgasm the same amount of times with the same woman will not be "programmed" in the same way to love her.

My guess is that it is natures way of bonding a woman to the father of her child (Old instincts die hard).

Now....any more cake?




Well dang, I think i have a male brain

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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/25/2006 7:55:09 PM   
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*tosses a football to akisha's brain*

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Tigress,

Did you know they did brain scans on people who were having sex?  Interestingly enough, women having sex created oxytocin and the area of the brain that is associated with love showed an increase in activity.

In the brains of men, however, pure adreniline was created and nothing more than the primal regions of the brain were activated.

The conclusions of the study indicated that women will almost surely fall in love with a man if she reaches an orgasm with him enough times.  A man, reaching orgasm the same amount of times with the same woman will not be "programmed" in the same way to love her.

My guess is that it is natures way of bonding a woman to the father of her child (Old instincts die hard).

Now....any more cake?




Well dang, I think i have a male brain


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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/25/2006 8:10:12 PM   
akisha


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*tosses a football to akisha's brain*



*snatches it and runs to the endzone, spikes the ball and does her touchdown jig*

Awsome I love football, and golf and drag races and Grande Prix and.... lol i'll stop there as the list will get too long *S*

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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/28/2006 10:38:06 PM   
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The conclusions of the study indicated that women will almost surely fall in love with a man if she reaches an orgasm with him enough times.  A man, reaching orgasm the same amount of times with the same woman will not be "programmed" in the same way to love her.



No wonder my girls love me so much!!!!   man you got to love science!

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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/28/2006 10:48:58 PM   
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Its a rediculous request. Almost retorical.
I do think you will fall in love. Probably both of you if he's genuine.

If your heading toward a collar..... surely that would involve love? on both parts?
I dunno, folks are different?


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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/28/2006 10:50:41 PM   
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The conclusions of the study indicated that women will almost surely fall in love with a man if she reaches an orgasm with him enough times.  A man, reaching orgasm the same amount of times with the same woman will not be "programmed" in the same way to love her.

Now that made me laugh! what about us sluts? tee hee

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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/28/2006 10:55:03 PM   
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Now that made me laugh! what about us sluts? tee hee


they love me too  *G*

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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/29/2006 9:45:33 AM   
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moreplease,

You have received many comments that indicate that there was an order, I did not read it as such.

For many Doms "love" puts a negative spin on the D/s dynamic and I believe that he was simply telling you to try hard to avaoid that.

CP

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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/29/2006 11:47:41 AM   
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Crouchingtigress, i would love to have the links to where you have read up on this information about the "chemicals of love and attachment" i find it very interesting. 

Now on the the OP - You have already stated that you are the type of individual who tends to form attachments to people, quite easily i gather. You seem to be saying all in all that you are  "loving" person.  This dom is laying the groundrules so to speak for the future of this relationship.  Like many of the previous posters say it could be for a variety of reasons - perhps ask him directly??  But my point is, that doesn't really matter, what matters is that you actually take him at his word and not go into this with the mistaken belief that somehow down the line he's going to change his mind, that somehow your love will transfrom him and he will welcome it with open arms. He won't. 

If you can honestly believe his wirds and play by his rules then by all means pursue it. my gut tells me you won't be able to just by how you presented the whole post.  i hate to see anyone become disillusioned and hurt, it takes a hell of a long time to heal from that. 

Good luck in whatever decision you make!

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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/29/2006 1:08:25 PM   
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I think there can be wonderful relationships and collarings that reside outside of love.  Love is different for different people.  One person's great affection may equate to another person's love.  Love has not been easy for me to find.  I can submit to someone whom I feel great affection for, but I don't need to be in love in order to do it and in order to do it properly. 

Very well said
one of my D/s relationships love had grown for my Dom  but I never fell In Love with him. Loving and being in Love are different 

< Message edited by swtnsparkling -- 7/29/2006 1:12:46 PM >


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RE: Don't fall in love with your Dom - 7/29/2006 7:42:30 PM   
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Ok, this is just my way conserning this, I think each person has to figure out for themselves how they feel......... for me love is a must, if I don't love my slave, why would I want to keep her, I can hire a maid, a cook, a hooker and a shrink to do what i need and it'd be cheaper and less trouble.....my way is the DSF, we are a family, we live 24/7, so a person that is married to another wouldn't work ( my opinion on that will remain within my mind)....

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