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Musicmystery -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/12/2017 5:38:16 PM)
It's more embarrassing that he's president at all. The sooner we get to it, the better.

BoscoX -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/12/2017 6:29:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 You always dismiss ANY criticism of this administration as liberal bias. No exceptions to this rule. Honestly, deep in your heart... Is that what you believe? All of Trump's horrible missteps and people's perceptions of them are the fault of liberal education and liberal media bias? Do you really believe that our President is someone of whom we should be proud? NOTE: I think this is what is wrong with political discourse in this country. Every discussion of the issues becomes a partisan war. The next time I am in Seattle i would like to meet you and buy you a nice dinner, just so that I could have the pleasure of your company. You really seem alright half of the time, coming from me that is a pretty good compliment. I hope you like Asian food The partisan war has been going on for a long time, but up until now the right has only been halfheartedly sticking up for itself, if that. President Trump has changed that, told the PC crowd to go fuck themselves for breakfast then for lunch he shitcanned half of their agenda to roaring approval. Remember - there was NO FUCKING WAY he could win - don't trust the polls. Now according to the media he is a Nazi, just like every other Republican before him was a Nazi. He's a white this, an orange that. Skin color is everything to the crowd attacking him, and he is 'gay" for Putin. I have seen some "liberals" here post "faggot" caricatures President Trump was widely expected to be slammed during the Superbowl halftime show, at the Grammys... SNL has gone so far overboard with the attacks and the smears even the far left New York Times is growing tired of the over-the-top insanity But here is the thing. He is not a fucking Nazi. Do you think he is a Nazi, that he is Hitler? That's the media hysteria. That's the fake news. Every country has borders, and we have had several very serious terrorist attacks. He wants to enforce the borders again, just like other countries LIKE MEXICO do He wants to keep Americans safe from Muslim terrorists I am supposed to hate him for that? That's what I fucking voted for!!! That's what MILLIONS voted for. DESPITE the media screaming for a year, that he is a one eyed monster who is going to eat our babies. THE LEFT is acting like Nazis, and the media is their propaganda organ The media has always been in the tank for the Democrats, this is the first year they really admitted it because they blew all of their gaskets when Trump kept coming at them no matter what they threw at him. Yeah. Like millions of others, I see through the bias, and the lies, and the hate speech. tell you what, I have some friends, some good friends in Scotland, in the Edinburgh area. An ex, and her kids who are on really good terms, and I am going to make that wager because the oddsmakers there have foolishly taken the hook on the hysteria bait.

mnottertail -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/12/2017 6:55:20 PM)
What exactly is he doing to keep Americans safe from anyone or anything? Felchgobbling is no defense.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/12/2017 8:46:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 You always dismiss ANY criticism of this administration as liberal bias. No exceptions to this rule. Honestly, deep in your heart... Is that what you believe? All of Trump's horrible missteps and people's perceptions of them are the fault of liberal education and liberal media bias? Do you really believe that our President is someone of whom we should be proud? NOTE: I think this is what is wrong with political discourse in this country. Every discussion of the issues becomes a partisan war. The next time I am in Seattle i would like to meet you and buy you a nice dinner, just so that I could have the pleasure of your company. You really seem alright half of the time, coming from me that is a pretty good compliment. I hope you like Asian food The partisan war has been going on for a long time, but up until now the right has only been halfheartedly sticking up for itself, if that. President Trump has changed that, told the PC crowd to go fuck themselves for breakfast then for lunch he shitcanned half of their agenda to roaring approval. Remember - there was NO FUCKING WAY he could win - don't trust the polls. Now according to the media he is a Nazi, just like every other Republican before him was a Nazi. He's a white this, an orange that. Skin color is everything to the crowd attacking him, and he is 'gay" for Putin. I have seen some "liberals" here post "faggot" caricatures President Trump was widely expected to be slammed during the Superbowl halftime show, at the Grammys... SNL has gone so far overboard with the attacks and the smears even the far left New York Times is growing tired of the over-the-top insanity But here is the thing. He is not a fucking Nazi. Do you think he is a Nazi, that he is Hitler? That's the media hysteria. That's the fake news. Every country has borders, and we have had several very serious terrorist attacks. He wants to enforce the borders again, just like other countries LIKE MEXICO do He wants to keep Americans safe from Muslim terrorists I am supposed to hate him for that? That's what I fucking voted for!!! That's what MILLIONS voted for. DESPITE the media screaming for a year, that he is a one eyed monster who is going to eat our babies. THE LEFT is acting like Nazis, and the media is their propaganda organ The media has always been in the tank for the Democrats, this is the first year they really admitted it because they blew all of their gaskets when Trump kept coming at them no matter what they threw at him. Yeah. Like millions of others, I see through the bias, and the lies, and the hate speech. tell you what, I have some friends, some good friends in Scotland, in the Edinburgh area. An ex, and her kids who are on really good terms, and I am going to make that wager because the oddsmakers there have foolishly taken the hook on the hysteria bait. Yes, I get the appeal of Trump. (He told the PC crowd to f**k off). He is going to make great changes that no one else can accomplish. Yes, I understand the media, and the polls were wrong. Yes, some of the rhetoric from the left is over the top. Agreed on all those points. Politics aside... It really appears that he is in over his head. Even his GOOD ideas (infrastructure, negotiating drug prices, and saving Medicare for those of us who have been paying into it all of our lives have all gone to shit) I am happy he is talking about illegal immigration, and quite frankly to see him cracking down on violent illegal aliens (yes, they are illegal aliens, not simply "undocumented") However, he is signing things and executing orders on which the impact he has no understanding. He has no idea what he is doing. I disgree with the 9th circuit that his immigration plan is unconstitutional. However the plan is simply horrible policy which makes us less safe, (and hurts the economy of my state). He has filled his cabinet with champions of every REALLY BAD Republican idea. The three "Good" ideas that he had have all turned to shit. The Infrastructure Plan - turns out to be tax breaks for private corporations to privatize infrastructure and charge tolls to the public Negotiating drug prices - Turned out not to be negotiating drug prices, or actually utilize the FREE market. Instead, it is an idea to remove the required FDA testing for effectiveness, so that drug companies can lower their cost and out of their sheer good-heartedness, pass the savings on to consumers. Saving Medicare? - Nahh... Changed his mind He has no understanding of the healthcare market ,no understanding of why Obamacare failed to lower costs, no understanding of what can be done to lower costs in the future, no idea how to provide better options in healthcare. He hires Tom Price, the KING of the stupidist ideas on health care. His idea is to give everybody a $1200 tax credit to buy private insurance. (Which, in the healthcare market is enough to wipe your ass with). Yet, because it is a GREAT soundbite for his base... His index finger goes up and he says "We are going to repeal Obamacare" My mother thinks he walks on water, and said "Well he is inexperienced, but he will surround himself with great people." It turns out...He is inexperienced, and has surrounded himself with the absolutely most incompetent people around. I had had high hopes for him (not high expectations) myself. The bottom line... No, you should not be angry with him, if he is doing what you voted for him to do. But you SHOULD realize, at this point, he is failing badly, and not dismiss any criticism of him as "Alt Left", "Hysteria", or "Fake News"

MrRodgers -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/12/2017 8:56:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub They live longer too. No, the miracle of Obamacare fixed that and so we will all live forever and ever now, except the Republicans hate babies and rainbows and puppies and cute little butterflies so they will prolly smash it Not hardly.

vincentML -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/12/2017 9:00:51 PM)
~FR~ With all the signing ceremonies, telephone calls, and and wee hours twittering by the man wandering the White House in his robe and pj's what has Trump accomplished, really? Not much of substance, I think. All sizzle and no steak.

tamaka -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/12/2017 9:04:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML ~FR~ With all the signing ceremonies, telephone calls, and and wee hours twittering by the man wandering the White House in his robe and pj's what has Trump accomplished, really? Not much of substance, I think. All sizzle and no steak. I know. I had hoped he would have rewritten history by now. I mean, it's been 3 weeks!

tweakabelle -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/12/2017 9:45:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 My mother thinks he walks on water, and said "Well he is inexperienced, but he will surround himself with great people." It turns out...He is inexperienced, and has surrounded himself with the absolutely most incompetent people around. I had had high hopes for him (not high expectations) myself. I suspect there are many millions like you who are discovering that just like any other politician, Trump's election promises were always going to be discarded the moment he took office. Instead of "draining the swamp", he has employed some of the swamp's most ruthless predators in Cabinet. The promises were never worth the paper they were written on. Trump rode to the White House on a wave of anger and resentment. That wave will resurface in an even angrier fashion as those who voted for him realise he is a dud, he was never the friend of ordinary people, always another rapacious self interested billionaire. Where will that anger manifest itself? Already a popular nationwide resistance movement to Trump's incompetence and divisiveness is forming. Will Trump's failure will fatally discredit the Right?

heavyblinker -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/12/2017 9:58:16 PM)
He isn't keeping Americans safe from terrorists, he is actively inviting them to launch a major attack while driving people who would otherwise resist them straight into their arms.

tamaka -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/12/2017 10:01:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker He isn't keeping Americans safe from terrorists, he is actively inviting them to launch a major attack while driving people who would otherwise resist them straight into their arms. Do you think that they won't attack if he doesn't intice them? Maybe they'll just go play bingo instead?

WhoreMods -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/13/2017 4:45:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML ~FR~ With all the signing ceremonies, telephone calls, and and wee hours twittering by the man wandering the White House in his robe and pj's what has Trump accomplished, really? Not much of substance, I think. All sizzle and no steak. I know. I had hoped he would have rewritten history by now. I mean, it's been 3 weeks! Three weeks is plenty of time: Carter set up an amnesty for Vietnam draft dodgers on his second day in office. (Weird how all the chickenhawks on the right hate him so much, given he did that...)

DaddySatyr -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/13/2017 5:11:09 AM)
Actually, 11:10 odds means that you get $10 back, when you bet $11 as opposed to 10:11 which will get you $11 when you bet $10 Michael

heavyblinker -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/13/2017 5:23:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker He isn't keeping Americans safe from terrorists, he is actively inviting them to launch a major attack while driving people who would otherwise resist them straight into their arms. Do you think that they won't attack if he doesn't intice them? Maybe they'll just go play bingo instead? Oh they'll attack... my point is that nothing he is doing is making anyone safer, and is in fact making America even more dangerous. Trump has stirred up a lot of racism and xenophobia, and has already promised extreme solutions-- ISIS knows if they attack it will just force more people back to them and deepen the divisions between the west from the Muslim world, which of course is something that they want. If it happened, Trump would also be overjoyed-- try overturning a Muslim ban in the wake of another 9/11! And then he would do much much worse, which in turn would cause more Muslims to side with ISIS. This is what Bannon has openly expressed his support for... a global war between the west and the Islamic world. You can read about his beliefs here: http://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/the-four-turnings.html

vincentML -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/13/2017 6:33:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker He isn't keeping Americans safe from terrorists, he is actively inviting them to launch a major attack while driving people who would otherwise resist them straight into their arms. My opinion is that the threat of terror attacks in the US is overblown and the hysteria engendered by Trump is exactly the purpose of terror . . making people afraid. Here is a writer who puts things into a more proper prospective: Since 9/11, terrorists inspired by jihadist ideology have carried out 16 attacks in the United States: Seven involved fatalities and eight of them injured people. In the remaining case — the would-be Times Square bomber in 2010 — the device failed to detonate. This is a low number, especially when considering it encompasses a period of more than 15 years. In the 1970s, the U.S. experienced 50 to 60 terrorist bombings a year, although most of the attacks were not intended to kill but were meant to be symbolic violence. Some analyses might add a few more attacks to this list. The differences reflect judgments about motives, which can be murky. In addition to the attacks, there have been almost 80 jihadist terrorist plots over these same 15 years. Working together, FBI agents and local police have been able to uncover and disrupt more than 80 percent of these — a remarkable record. In many cases, investigations began with tips from the Muslim community. A total of 147 people in the United States participated in attacks or plotted others that were thwarted by the authorities. Again, this is a low number—an average of fewer than nine people a year since 9/11. Most of these plots and attacks — 105 out of 147 — were planned by U.S. citizens. Another 20 of the plotters were legal permanent residents, most of whom arrived in the United States as children. In other words, 85 percent of the terrorists lived in the U.S a long time before carrying out an attack — they radicalized within the nation's borders. A total of 89 people died in the jihadist attacks. Every one of these deaths was needless and tragic. However, the added risk to public safety in a country that averages 15,000 homicides a year was statistically minuscule. The republic is not in peril. Maybe someone here can explain to me why we have active ground forces deployed in Somalia, Iraq, and Yemen.

heavyblinker -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/13/2017 7:36:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML My opinion is that the threat of terror attacks in the US is overblown and the hysteria engendered by Trump is exactly the purpose of terror . . making people afraid. It's definitely not a threat on the same level that Trump/Bannon want it to be and are trying to make it... but there is always a threat. It's not like the US doesn't have a lot of enemies, or like they're actually taking steps to build bridges... or even that it's possible to build bridges at all. And it's not just about making people afraid... I really wish it were, but Bannon has already openly stated that he actually wants a war with the Muslim world and that Trump doesn't understand his own role in the plan. Not just a handful of Muslim countries, either-- I mean, the entire Muslim world. President Bannon's dream of war is rooted in some incredibly fucked up beliefs verging on the occult. RWNJs like BoscoX aren't even close to being on his level of insane... Bosco is an idiot, but Bannon is dangerous. Sure, Bush started a war because he wanted the oil in Iraq-- it's a shitty thing to do, but a war rooted in capitalistic greed will end as soon as the oil is gone or the country is effectively colonized... Bannon seems to see Islam as a threat to civilization and the enemy in some sort of apocalyptic war. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/02/01/spicer-addresses-bannons-views-islam/97361388/ A year ago I would have thought it insane, but this is what happens when insane people end up in power... you have to start taking their insanity seriously. I mean, this has to be the first time the sanity of the most powerful man in the world was a legitimate concern... so exactly how will this shit end?

BoscoX -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/13/2017 8:49:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 Yes, I get the appeal of Trump. (He told the PC crowd to f*k off). He is going to make great changes that no one else can accomplish. Yes, I understand the media, and the polls were wrong. Yes, some of the rhetoric from the left is over the top. Agreed on all those points. Are you able to see the massive media bias though? The "over the top rhetoric" is coming from the top down, not the bottom up. Can you see through the media campaign to destroy this presidency? Or are you buying into the false narrative. Any Republican if elected president, unless an Obama clone or a Hillary clone who out liberaled the liberals, made it mandatory for everyone to have gay sex with children or whatever, was going to be Hitler. Every one, would get all kinds of dirt thrown at him. Do you think Ted Cruz would get a pass? Or Jeb Bush? Accomplishments would be ignored or minimized, misstatements would be headline news, and every negative issue (real or imagined) blown way out of proportion. quote:* Politics aside... It really appears that he is in over his head. Even his GOOD ideas (infrastructure, negotiating drug prices, and saving Medicare for those of us who have been paying into it all of our lives have all gone to shit) He is three weeks in! None of that has been finally decided. It all has to go through Congress. Even if so, I don't expect to get everything that I want from any president, even this one. Do you think you would have got everything you wanted with Hillary, or Bernie, or anyone else? Did you get everything you wanted from Barack Obama? Selling military-grade weapons to Mexican drug lords, ignore a dying ambassador etc? Why does President Trump have to be perfect, especially since he doesn't get the embarrassingly fawning coverage that Obama and Hillary got quote: I am happy he is talking about illegal immigration, and quite frankly to see him cracking down on violent illegal aliens (yes, they are illegal aliens, not simply "undocumented") However, he is signing things and executing orders on which the impact he has no understanding. He has no idea what he is doing. I disgree with the 9th circuit that his immigration plan is unconstitutional. However the plan is simply horrible policy which makes us less safe, (and hurts the economy of my state). He is going to make some mistakes, but it is far from the end of the world. How hard were Hillary and Obama hammered for their handling of Middle East issues. They left the place on fire, and the coverage has never been realistic. Their work to overthrow ME leaders, thus creating power vacuums then all but ignoring ISIS and Huma Abedin's pet Muslim Brotherhood and other jihadis as they filled those vacuums... Ignored. WTF! Seriously - whose side were we on. What has President Trump done that rises to the level of any of that. quote: He has filled his cabinet with champions of every REALLY BAD Republican idea. The three "Good" ideas that he had have all turned to shit. The Infrastructure Plan - turns out to be tax breaks for private corporations to privatize infrastructure and charge tolls to the public Negotiating drug prices - Turned out not to be negotiating drug prices, or actually utilize the FREE market. Instead, it is an idea to remove the required FDA testing for effectiveness, so that drug companies can lower their cost and out of their sheer good-heartedness, pass the savings on to consumers. Saving Medicare? - Nahh... Changed his mind Three weeks in, no cabinet to speak of, still getting organized. Give him a chance. At least he isn't Hillary, opening the border even more than Obama did and resettling Huma's jihadi friends in your back yard. quote: He has no understanding of the healthcare market , Did Obama? Obamacare (to me) was all about forcing people to pay his lobbyist friends piles of money, forcing more of that old time crony communism on us. How is it working out btw And again, three weeks in. quote: no understanding of why Obamacare failed to lower costs, no understanding of what can be done to lower costs in the future, no idea how to provide better options in healthcare. He hires Tom Price, the KING of the stupidist ideas on health care. His idea is to give everybody a $1200 tax credit to buy private insurance. (Which, in the healthcare market is enough to wipe your ass with). Yet, because it is a GREAT soundbite for his base... His index finger goes up and he says "We are going to repeal Obamacare" Try to remember to breathe - he hasn't even warmed up his office chair yet quote: My mother thinks he walks on water, and said "Well he is inexperienced, but he will surround himself with great people." She sounds like a real nice woman, just like my own mom. I can see why you turned out half way reasonable now despite the "liberal" school system and media complex. Hopefully I can meet her some time and pay her some due respect quote: It turns out...He is inexperienced, and has surrounded himself with the absolutely most incompetent people around. I had had high hopes for him (not high expectations) myself. The bottom line... No, you should not be angry with him, if he is doing what you voted for him to do. But you SHOULD realize, at this point, he is failing badly, and not dismiss any criticism of him as "Alt Left", "Hysteria", or "Fake News" He is not failing badly, that is your opinion- heavily influenced by propaganda, in my opinion. Many of the president's implementation issues can be traced back to the Dems (being the party of no) holding up his picks in Congress. Which that's their prerogative, but it isn't all on the president that things are a bit bumpy. That's a huge part of the Dem plan, hobbling the staff of the nation's military commander. They want him to have problems, even massive disasters that get people hurt. That is their goal. They have been hurting innocent people themselves directly, committing assault etc but to practically nonexistent media coverage. Had the TEA party done that to Obama supporters, imagine the headline rage And while you say he is in over his head (due in large part to lack of staff) there's another side to that. The bright side - he is not a career politician like everybody else. Everybody else makes promises, like on immigration, the deficit, etc - then fail to deliver. That's why he ran, and that's why he won. Did you see Hillary as honest, or having our best interests at heart? Donald Trump isn't perfect, but I really believe that he is in this for the right reasons. After the left tires of screaming "NAZI" and he starts to get comfortable and a sense of the position he may do pretty good. The media will never admit it though, just like they only cover and magnify and even invent mistakes now. Cover Soros-paid, bused-in rioters as if the president is burning their children. Ignoring the organization behind them and really pretending they are true grass roots events

WhoreMods -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/13/2017 10:43:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Why does President Trump have to be perfect, especially since he doesn't get the embarrassingly fawning coverage that Obama and Hillary got Did they? Murdoch and Breitbart seem to have missed that memo.

BoscoX -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/13/2017 8:04:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Actually, 11:10 odds means that you get $10 back, when you bet $11 as opposed to 10:11 which will get you $11 when you bet $10 Michael What were their odds on him becoming POTUS

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/13/2017 8:56:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Actually, 11:10 odds means that you get $10 back, when you bet $11 as opposed to 10:11 which will get you $11 when you bet $10 Michael You have that backwards... Think about another example: 3-1 odds means that you $3 back plus the $1 you bet when you win. The number on the LEFT is what you win. I hope that helps.

heavyblinker -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/13/2017 9:15:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX What were their odds on him becoming POTUS Oh wow! I think you've cracked the code for winning huge amounts of money! All you have to do is bet against the odds and you'll win every single time! I don't know why nobody has ever thought of this before.

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