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Kirata -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/15/2017 11:17:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Interesting that tamaka holds such dogmatic views about Korea without ever experiencing the place or its inhabitants. heavy blinker holds far more flexible and nuanced views having had a little experience of the place and its people. This mirrors my own observation that Australians who have never travelled abroad or experienced other cultures are far more likely to hold xenophobic biases than those who have travelled and experienced other cultures, while those who have travelled are likely to hold far more tolerant views of other cultures and other peoples. As regards which of the two holds the more sane position, that's easy. Heavyblinker has direct evidence to influence his views while tamaka holds very fixed views with no great depth of knowledge or any direct experience to support those positions. Clearly tamaka's position is far less sane and rational than heavyblinker's. I'm sure that we are all endlessly grateful to you for helping us correctly evaluate what we read. I don't know what we would do without your wisdom, and your kindness in sharing it. K.

tweakabelle -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/15/2017 11:18:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Interesting that tamaka holds such dogmatic views about Korea without ever experiencing the place or its inhabitants. heavy blinker holds far more flexible and nuanced views having had a little experience of the place and its people. This mirrors my own observation that Australians who have never travelled abroad or experienced other cultures are far more likely to hold xenophobic biases than those who have travelled and experienced other cultures, while those who have travelled are likely to hold far more tolerant views of other cultures and other peoples. As regards which of the two holds the more sane position, that's easy. Heavyblinker has direct evidence to influence his views while tamaka holds very fixed views with no great depth of knowledge or any direct experience to support those positions. Clearly tamaka's position is far less sane and rational than heavyblinker's. I'm sure that we are all endlessly grateful to you for helping us correctly evaluate what we read. I don't know what we would do without your wisdom, and your kindness in sharing it. K. You're welcome Mr K. Delighted to help anyway I can. God knows you need it

tamaka -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/15/2017 11:19:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Interesting that tamaka holds such dogmatic views about Korea without ever experiencing the place or its inhabitants. heavy blinker holds far more flexible and nuanced views having had a little experience of the place and its people. This mirrors my own observation that Australians who have never travelled abroad or experienced other cultures are far more likely to hold xenophobic biases than those who have travelled and experienced other cultures, while those who have travelled are likely to hold far more tolerant views of other cultures and other peoples. As regards which of the two holds the more sane position, that's easy. Heavyblinker has direct evidence to influence his views while tamaka holds very fixed views with no great depth of knowledge or any direct experience to support those positions. Clearly tamaka's position is far less sane and rational than heavyblinker's. Cute summary. Tamaka watches and reads the news... http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03/16/north-korea-sentences-american-tourist-to-15-years-in-prison-with-hard-labor.html

Kirata -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/15/2017 11:24:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Back in 2006 it was possible to go across the border from South Korea as part of a tour group and visit Geumgangsan, a mountain range. They have opened and closed it many times. The land was bought up by Hyundai corporation so it was essentially a border town, only you went through the DMZ and North Korean customs to get there. The guards had red flags at the border and guns further in. All around the complex were putting on a show to make it look like they were strong and relatively successful, empty buildings for show, etc. They had North Koreans working at the hotels, restaurants, as greeters, tour guides, etc... they needed the work and it was a super cushy job. I talked to one of them... he was a really nice guy. Obviously I stood out because I was white, and while some people made a show of being openly hostile, the majority were extremely curious and warm and accommodating... because they know the difference between politics and people. PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE. When you go to a place like that, you put your politics on hold because it's the right thing to do... most people know this on a gut level. I'm not sure I would call that visiting North Korea. What you visited was a stage set. If that is the basis for your knowledge of North Korea, then it's fair to say that you really don't know anything at all about it. But I'm curious how long it took you to figure out that people are people. Have you been working on the problem for a long time? Or did it only just recently come as a flash of insight? K.

Kirata -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/15/2017 11:31:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Interesting that tamaka holds such dogmatic views about Korea without ever experiencing the place or its inhabitants. heavy blinker holds far more flexible and nuanced views having had a little experience of the place and its people. This mirrors my own observation that Australians who have never travelled abroad or experienced other cultures are far more likely to hold xenophobic biases than those who have travelled and experienced other cultures, while those who have travelled are likely to hold far more tolerant views of other cultures and other peoples. As regards which of the two holds the more sane position, that's easy. Heavyblinker has direct evidence to influence his views while tamaka holds very fixed views with no great depth of knowledge or any direct experience to support those positions. Clearly tamaka's position is far less sane and rational than heavyblinker's. I'm sure that we are all endlessly grateful to you for helping us correctly evaluate what we read. I don't know what we would do without your wisdom, and your kindness in sharing it. You're welcome Mr K. Delighted to help anyway I can. God knows you need it Well I appreciate your concern, but it's obvious you think everyone who disagrees with you needs it. K.

MrRodgers -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 12:39:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Back in 2006 it was possible to go across the border from South Korea as part of a tour group and visit Geumgangsan, a mountain range. They have opened and closed it many times. The land was bought up by Hyundai corporation so it was essentially a border town, only you went through the DMZ and North Korean customs to get there. The guards had red flags at the border and guns further in. All around the complex were putting on a show to make it look like they were strong and relatively successful, empty buildings for show, etc. They had North Koreans working at the hotels, restaurants, as greeters, tour guides, etc... they needed the work and it was a super cushy job. I talked to one of them... he was a really nice guy. Obviously I stood out because I was white, and while some people made a show of being openly hostile, the majority were extremely curious and warm and accommodating... because they know the difference between politics and people. PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE. When you go to a place like that, you put your politics on hold because it's the right thing to do... most people know this on a gut level. I'm not sure I would call that visiting North Korea. What you visited was a stage set. If that is the basis for your knowledge of North Korea, then it's fair to say that you really don't know anything at all about it. But I'm curious how long it took you to figure out that people are people. Have you been working on the problem for a long time? Or did it only just recently come as a flash of insight? K. But K, we both know that few if any people ever truly 'visit' N. Korea. All any people mostly tourists ever get to see, is a show. Well-dressed, smiling elites and their families get those cushy jobs. It's like a fascist Disney world, if you get my drift. Stores fully stocked where nothing is for sale. Hell, if China didn't feed them, there wouldn't be any labor there at all. It's the world's true political theocracy where the father, dead for all of these years...is still president. Expert observers, political scientists etc., are always in a quandary as to why they never opened up their slaves to western corp. for the hard currency. No reason N. Koreans couldn't make iPhones, silicone chips and apparel. Who's to say they still couldn't face east and bow 3 times...to dear leader ?

heavyblinker -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 1:51:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata I'm not sure I would call that visiting North Korea. What you visited was a stage set. If that is the basis for your knowledge of North Korea, then it's fair to say that you really don't know anything at all about it. But I'm curious how long it took you to figure out that people are people. Have you been working on the problem for a long time? Or did it only just recently come as a flash of insight? K. If you were as good at paying attention as you are at being a gigantic douche, you would realize that I was explaining to tamaka that I would probably not be 'torn apart' the minute I set foot in Iran. Of course since being a gigantic douche is what you are best at, I should have expected as much. I don't need to be an expert on North Korea to say that I didn't get killed or torn apart when I went through the DMZ. Or that people smiled at me and were really curious. Or that white people tend to be treated like gold in most places around the world. If it was all a show, then I don't know why you would have other North Koreans trying to impress their friends by giving me dirty looks and going overboard with nationalistic chatter. They didn't do it to the South Koreans, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't part of the tour package. I'm sorry that you're not bright enough to get it, but 'people are people' isn't a literal statement... it means that actually meeting people face to face in a different country typically results in the same reaction you would get in any other country... or in cases when you're in a visible minority and from a wealthy country, a KINDER reaction, because they want to be gracious hosts. Obviously you don't want to go on vacation in Mosul or something, but this is generally true everywhere, just as it's generally true that you need to be suspicious of people too. Sometimes there are incidents that can stir up 'patriotic anger', but even then it's unlikely you'll be attacked unless you place yourself in harm's way or involve yourself with people who care about such things. I didn't go to Pyongyang or anything because it is extremely expensive, not worth it and they don't let you see anything you're not supposed to see... but I don't NEED to go through all of that to know that other people have done it and unless you do something extremely fucking stupid, bad things won't happen to you. Most of the incidents in these hostile foreign countries are the result of tourist stupidity, not simply because they were there. At the place I went to, an American woman had been shot because she climbed the fence and tried to go swimming in North Korea. STUPID. In Tamaka's link, someone was sentenced to hard labor for trying to steal a propaganda banner. STUPID. Leave it to Fox News to pretend he didn't have it coming. All of these rules are laid out for you in advance and you NEED to follow them. It doesn't matter if you agree with their ideas of what is just... you need to know the dangers of any situation you put yourself in. It's supposed to be common sense, but a lot of people don't have it. What I did was an inexpensive way to get a sense of what North Korea was like... and I definitely know more about it than YOU.

heavyblinker -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 2:08:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Interesting that tamaka holds such dogmatic views about Korea without ever experiencing the place or its inhabitants. heavy blinker holds far more flexible and nuanced views having had a little experience of the place and its people. This mirrors my own observation that Australians who have never travelled abroad or experienced other cultures are far more likely to hold xenophobic biases than those who have travelled and experienced other cultures, while those who have travelled are likely to hold far more tolerant views of other cultures and other peoples. As regards which of the two holds the more sane position, that's easy. Heavyblinker has direct evidence to influence his views while tamaka holds very fixed views with no great depth of knowledge or any direct experience to support those positions. Clearly tamaka's position is far less sane and rational than heavyblinker's. I'm sure that we are all endlessly grateful to you for helping us correctly evaluate what we read. I don't know what we would do without your wisdom, and your kindness in sharing it. K. I don't know what we would do without your meaningless sarcasm, but my guess is that we would probably have more interesting arguments.

WickedsDesire -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 2:25:16 AM)
note how they skip me heavyblinker the dribbling pussies of no reality do that….perhaps I should include you? I recommend getting yourself a very large stick and wading in and breaking skulls open. Some things are simply humane and for the best.

heavyblinker -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 4:06:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire note how they skip me heavyblinker the dribbling pussies of no reality do that….perhaps I should include you? I recommend getting yourself a very large stick and wading in and breaking skulls open. Some things are simply humane and for the best. Let's just hope it doesn't come to that!

thompsonx -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 5:23:26 AM)
ORIGINAL: BoscoX ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Because rape and assaults happen to occur every day in every country, but you ignore it. Unless its mooselambs En masse? And no, I don't ignore it. I've worked with a group in my town that helps rape and abuse victims. But...nice deflection from the topic of tolerance that I was replying to. Ask Lara Logan about the Muslim "Rape Game" called 'Taharrush' The video you linked ms. logan says she was raped by muslims, protected from further rape by muslims and rescued by mulsims.What exacrly was your point?

BoscoX -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 5:38:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers But K, we both know that few if any people ever truly 'visit' N. Korea. All any people mostly tourists ever get to see, is a show. Well-dressed, smiling elites and their families get those cushy jobs. It's like a fascist Disney world, if you get my drift. Stores fully stocked where nothing is for sale. Hell, if China didn't feed them, there wouldn't be any labor there at all. It's the world's true political theocracy where the father, dead for all of these years...is still president. Expert observers, political scientists etc., are always in a quandary as to why they never opened up their slaves to western corp. for the hard currency. No reason N. Koreans couldn't make iPhones, silicone chips and apparel. Who's to say they still couldn't face east and bow 3 times...to dear leader ? What a literally insane avoidance of the simple plain reality, that North Koreans are communal hippies gone to the usual end of the Bernie Sanders experience

Lucylastic -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 5:41:44 AM)
oooooooh Insanity thy name is boscox, you do like to exaggerate dont you. I bet ____________________________________________________ is nine inches to you isnt it... A disappointment in grandeur...

WickedsDesire -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 5:42:06 AM)
then name me a bitch whose thighs require a complete wrecking?...hell one? You should probably address me as God and fall to your knees in awe...and send me all your bitches when you are down there worshipping my cockbag

BoscoX -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 5:48:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic oooooooh Insanity thy name is boscox, you do like to exaggerate dont you. I bet ____________________________________________________ is nine inches to you isnt it... A disappointment in grandeur... No, Mr Rogers constantly spews communist talking points. Ergo, Mr Rogers is a communist, whose fruit loops are telling him, that North Korea is a theocracy

BoscoX -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 5:58:17 AM)
And Bernie Sanders, as MusicalMysery like to say, heaped praise on a de facto socialist dictator down in Venezuela And under Bernie's socialism, the Venezuelans are doing little better than the North Koreans It all comes together with a common thread

Lucylastic -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 6:08:00 AM)
you have become a parody of yourself... its actually very sad I would cry but im enjoying your lack of ability to tell truth and discuss what is going on with your crazy leader.

BoscoX -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 6:13:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you have become a parody of yourself... its actually very sad I would cry but im enjoying your lack of ability to tell truth and discuss what is going on with your crazy leader. Thank you Lucy. I would be worried about myself, only if you talked any differently of me [:)]

thompsonx -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 6:55:14 AM)
ORIGINAL: BoscoX And Bernie Sanders, as MusicalMysery like to say, heaped praise on a de facto socialist dictator down in Venezuela And under Bernie's socialism, the Venezuelans are doing little better than the North Koreans It all comes together with a common thread If socialism is so untenable why are these countries not starving? Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today: •China. •Denmark. •Finland. •Netherlands. •Canada. •Sweden. •Norway. •Ireland. https://www.google.com/search?q=socialist+countries&hl=en&gbv=2&oq=socialist+countries&gs_l=heirloom-serp.3..0l10.6652759.6660714.0.6661134.62.28.0.2.2.11.392.4649.5j12j3j5.25.0....0...1ac.1.34.heirloom-serp..47.15.1668.lnydx9AnxqM

heavyblinker -> RE: This is embarrassing :( (2/16/2017 7:12:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today: •China. •Denmark. •Finland. •Netherlands. •Canada. •Sweden. •Norway. •Ireland. Of course you realize that since none of this fits the narrative, he'll just ignore it. I mean, obviously the American left wants America to be like Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, or Venezuela... not Canada, Finland or Denmark.

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