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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Trump keeps talking about making America great again, making us safe and secure, building a wall to keep people out.
But is that what will make America great?
What ever happened to;
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Or;
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Or;
Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
Patrick Henry
It seems to me that a great America is less concerned with peace and safety and security and more about being the home of the brave and the land of the free.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

you somehow think that absolutely no immigrants who came here during the great immigration waves a century ago, were turned away?

that if the technology would have existed at the time, it likely would have been used to have kept those people from coming in the first place?

on the other end of the spectrum, that we, despite the absurd trump hysteria, still don't take many tens of thousands of immigrants into our country every year? and will continue to do so.

and your franklin and henry quotes, being out of context, don't quite work.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Trump keeps talking about making America great again, making us safe and secure, building a wall to keep people out.
But is that what will make America great?
What ever happened to;
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Or;
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Or;
Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
Patrick Henry
It seems to me that a great America is less concerned with peace and safety and security and more about being the home of the brave and the land of the free.

Is it really too much to ask for immigrants to come into the US legally? That seems reasonable, doesn't it?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Is it really too much to ask for immigrants to come into the US legally? That seems reasonable, doesn't it?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Trump's ban, however, turned away legal immigrants, including VISA holders and long-term green card holders. Citizens and people from friendly countries, like Canada, have been held up simply because they were Muslim.

Simply reality, this is NOT a program to prevent illegal immigrants--it's an anti-Muslim policy.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

Trump keeps talking about making America great again, making us safe and secure, building a wall to keep people out.

But is that what will make America great?

What ever happened to;
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Or;
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

Or;
Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
Patrick Henry

It seems to me that a great America is less concerned with peace and safety and security and more about being the home of the brave and the land of the free.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

you somehow think that absolutely no immigrants who came here during the great immigration waves a century ago, were turned away?

that if the technology would have existed at the time, it likely would have been used to have kept those people from coming in the first place?

on the other end of the spectrum, that we, despite the absurd trump hysteria, still don't take many tens of thousands of immigrants into our country every year? and will continue to do so.

and your franklin and henry quotes, being out of context, don't quite work.

What you're forgetting is that all of those that wrote the Ceonstitution were immigrants and at that time none were being turned away.

As for the quotes being out of context; I suggest you read them again. At the time they were written there were many who cowered in their safety and security not wanting to rock the boat for a "little" freedom and liberty and that is why they deserved neither liberty nor safety. That is why you who cower in fear and are ready to give up what America is suppose to be for a little safety and security deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

you somehow think that absolutely no immigrants who came here during the great immigration waves a century ago, were turned away?

that if the technology would have existed at the time, it likely would have been used to have kept those people from coming in the first place?

on the other end of the spectrum, that we, despite the absurd trump hysteria, still don't take many tens of thousands of immigrants into our country every year? and will continue to do so.

and your franklin and henry quotes, being out of context, don't quite work.

What you're forgetting is that all of those that wrote the Ceonstitution were immigrants and at that time none were being turned away.

As for the quotes being out of context; I suggest you read them again. At the time they were written there were many who cowered in their safety and security not wanting to rock the boat for a "little" freedom and liberty and that is why they deserved neither liberty nor safety. That is why you who cower in fear and are ready to give up what America is suppose to be for a little safety and security deserve neither liberty nor safety.

..... and when liberty is sacrificed for safety, the terrorists will have won. They won't need to destroy the West's values of democracy and liberty when we destroy those values for them.

The notion that we have to trash freedom in order to save it has never made the slightest bit of sense to me.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Trump keeps talking about making America great again, making us safe and secure, building a wall to keep people out.
But is that what will make America great?
What ever happened to;
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Or;
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Or;
Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
Patrick Henry
It seems to me that a great America is less concerned with peace and safety and security and more about being the home of the brave and the land of the free.

Is it really too much to ask for immigrants to come into the US legally? That seems reasonable, doesn't it?

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

you somehow think that absolutely no immigrants who came here during the great immigration waves a century ago, were turned away?

that if the technology would have existed at the time, it likely would have been used to have kept those people from coming in the first place?

on the other end of the spectrum, that we, despite the absurd trump hysteria, still don't take many tens of thousands of immigrants into our country every year? and will continue to do so.

and your franklin and henry quotes, being out of context, don't quite work.

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Since 1975, the U.S. has benevolently admitted 3.3 million refugees—80,000 of whom entered in 2016 alone. Our visitation and entry system, however, is due for reform. Even 25-year U.S. State Department veterans are telling the Chicago Tribune that Trump’s immigration order could have gone further: “Despite claims of enhanced vetting, the reality is that it is virtually impossible to vet an individual who has no type of an official record, particularly in countries compromised by terrorism.”

Normal, sane Americans simply don’t want to underwrite refugees or immigrants from compromised countries until we can be assured they will be properly vetted.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

you somehow think that absolutely no immigrants who came here during the great immigration waves a century ago, were turned away?

that if the technology would have existed at the time, it likely would have been used to have kept those people from coming in the first place?

on the other end of the spectrum, that we, despite the absurd trump hysteria, still don't take many tens of thousands of immigrants into our country every year? and will continue to do so.

and your franklin and henry quotes, being out of context, don't quite work.

What you're forgetting is that all of those that wrote the Ceonstitution were immigrants and at that time none were being turned away.

As for the quotes being out of context; I suggest you read them again. At the time they were written there were many who cowered in their safety and security not wanting to rock the boat for a "little" freedom and liberty and that is why they deserved neither liberty nor safety. That is why you who cower in fear and are ready to give up what America is suppose to be for a little safety and security deserve neither liberty nor safety.

..... and when liberty is sacrificed for safety, the terrorists will have won. They won't need to destroy the West's values of democracy and liberty when we destroy those values for them.

The notion that we have to trash freedom in order to save it has never made the slightest bit of sense to me.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

you somehow think that absolutely no immigrants who came here during the great immigration waves a century ago, were turned away?

that if the technology would have existed at the time, it likely would have been used to have kept those people from coming in the first place?

on the other end of the spectrum, that we, despite the absurd trump hysteria, still don't take many tens of thousands of immigrants into our country every year? and will continue to do so.

and your franklin and henry quotes, being out of context, don't quite work.

What you're forgetting is that all of those that wrote the Constitution were immigrants and at that time none were being turned away.

As for the quotes being out of context; I suggest you read them again. At the time they were written there were many who cowered in their safety and security not wanting to rock the boat for a "little" freedom and liberty and that is why they deserved neither liberty nor safety. That is why you who cower in fear and are ready to give up what America is suppose to be for a little safety and security deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: tj444


And these are good jobs that pay an average of $23 an hour, along with health care and retirement benefits.


Twenty three dollars an hour is not a good paying job. My welfare cheque is bigger than that.
I would not put my shoes on for $23 @ hour let alone work.