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Musicmystery -> Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/15/2017 8:57:27 AM)

I mean, really, I'm asking--anyone get this?

Republicans have continually blocked VA spending, and the VA is bizarrely understaffed. I get the GOP wants to save every dime for tax cuts and even more military spending, but why is it Democrats trying to fund VA health care instead of the supposed mom and apple pie GOP (well, given whom they ran for president, I'd say the party of family values needs a new tag line)?

This seems a no-brainer to me. Fully fund and staff the VA.

What's the argument against it?

Anyone get it?







tj444 -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veteran's health care? (2/15/2017 9:06:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I mean, really, I'm asking--anyone get this?

Republicans have continually blocked VA spending, and the VA is bizarrely understaffed. I get the GOP wants to save every dime for tax cuts and even more military spending, but why is it Democrats trying to fund VA health care instead of the supposed mom and apple pie GOP (well, given whom they ran for president, I'd say the party of family values needs a new tag line)?

This seems a no-brainer to me. Fully fund and staff the VA.

What's the argument against it?

Anyone get it?


Dude, obviously thats what those that voted for them want their GOP to do.. what's to get? [;)]




jlf1961 -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veteran's health care? (2/15/2017 9:25:47 AM)

Because taking care of vets does not help the National Defense effort?

Of course, I cant remember a politician that gave the idea of taking care of vets more than a passing nod. A lot of lip service on the subject, but little or no action, unless of course it is to blame whatever administration and by extension the party of that administration.




bounty44 -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/15/2017 9:47:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I mean, really, I'm asking--anyone get this?

Republicans have continually blocked VA spending, and the VA is bizarrely understaffed. I get the GOP wants to save every dime for tax cuts and even more military spending, but why is it Democrats trying to fund VA health care instead of the supposed mom and apple pie GOP (well, given whom they ran for president, I'd say the party of family values needs a new tag line)?

This seems a no-brainer to me. Fully fund and staff the VA.

What's the argument against it?

Anyone get it?






rather instead why don't you show a plethora of examples that support your thesis?

that would include multiple references from "both sides" over a period of many years that actually explain fully, as opposed to the partisan hack stuff you post.




Musicmystery -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/15/2017 9:49:55 AM)

OK, rather than have another ridiculous partisan monkey shit throwing contest, why doesn't anyone support this?

What does America have against Veterans' care?

Happy now? So why not?




MrRodgers -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/15/2017 1:49:02 PM)

It has been somewhat bipartisan neglect but also a victim of govt. incompetence and private greed. A VA center right down the road just recently completed is 1 million sq. ft. and ended up $1 billion+.

When the hospital - with 90 in-patient beds and the 120-bed community living center, or "skilled nursing home care facility" - is open, Bright anticipates his staff will serve about 60,000 veterans out of some 400,000 who live in Nevada.

The cost of building and staffing the medical center with 1,800 health-care professionals and support staff has escalated over the years as the recession hit and the cost of steel rose.

"Construction costs are in the neighborhood of $600 million. By the time you add the equipment and furniture and pay for the staff, we're going to be bumping up close to $1 billion," Bright said.

The figure includes four primary care clinics that have opened around the Las Vegas Valley and two that will be established in Laughlin and Pahrump.

HERE

(ok that does include other service centers as well but of that wasn't enough, then there is this in Colorado)

The 82-page report, by the internal watchdog at the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, identifies several instances in which VA leaders turned a blind eye toward problems with the new facility, which won’t be finished before January 2018.

And even then it won’t be ready. The VA estimates the nearly $1.7 billion facility — once expected to cost $604 million — will need at least six more months and another $315 million before it will have the furniture and equipment it requires.

“This means veterans will not likely be served by a fully functioning facility before mid-to-late 2018 or almost 20 years after VA identified the need to replace and expand its aging facility in Denver,” noted investigators with the VA Office of Inspector General.

The design team explained the idea was “that no one has to spend an entire workday out of reasonable proximity to a window,” according to the report.

Not only did this feature see its own cost rise, from $81.4 million in 2011 to $120.7 million in 2015, but investigators said the VA was warned by one of its consultants, Jacobs Engineering Group, about the high cost of this approach.

In 2011, the firm suggested a simpler approach — one akin to a VA facility in North Las Vegas that cost about $620 million and used tall, attached buildings. That campus is about 1.3 million square feet; Aurora is about 1.2 million square feet.

“However, the Las Vegas facility cost significantly less than the Denver facility, in part, due to the simpler design,” wrote investigators.

The findings also flagged several other expensive flourishes. “The JVT’s design included unnecessarily expensive and complicated elements, including the use of underground parking to preserve mountain views, natural lighting and extensive landscaping of garden patios in between and around buildings,” noted investigators.

VA officials told the inspector general that members of the design team often were “both difficult to work with and not cooperative in making necessary design changes to meet the budget.” These same officials speculated the design team resisted changes because it would fund a redesign of the project, rather than the VA.

HERE

I think one begat the other. Does every new center have to be the Taj Mahal ?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/15/2017 2:25:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
I mean, really, I'm asking--anyone get this?
Republicans have continually blocked VA spending, and the VA is bizarrely understaffed. I get the GOP wants to save every dime for tax cuts and even more military spending, but why is it Democrats trying to fund VA health care instead of the supposed mom and apple pie GOP (well, given whom they ran for president, I'd say the party of family values needs a new tag line)?
This seems a no-brainer to me. Fully fund and staff the VA.
What's the argument against it?
Anyone get it?


The GOP isn't against Veteran's health care.

But, in an attempt to further actual discourse, did something happen recently regarding this?




tamaka -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/15/2017 2:30:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I mean, really, I'm asking--anyone get this?

Republicans have continually blocked VA spending, and the VA is bizarrely understaffed. I get the GOP wants to save every dime for tax cuts and even more military spending, but why is it Democrats trying to fund VA health care instead of the supposed mom and apple pie GOP (well, given whom they ran for president, I'd say the party of family values needs a new tag line)?

This seems a no-brainer to me. Fully fund and staff the VA.

What's the argument against it?

Anyone get it?






Two years ago I talked to a retired General that my Uncle was very good friends with. He said he doesn't have an email or a published phone number because he kept getting calls at all hours of day and night from his former soldiers asking for money to bail them out of jail, etc. I was kind of shocked. Just because you served doesn't automatically make you a noble person as so many seem to think.




tj444 -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veteran's health care? (2/15/2017 2:44:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Because taking care of vets does not help the National Defense effort?

Of course, I cant remember a politician that gave the idea of taking care of vets more than a passing nod. A lot of lip service on the subject, but little or no action, unless of course it is to blame whatever administration and by extension the party of that administration.


Assuming that MM is correct about the D's trying to fund the VA, then maybe vets/military shouldn't vote R.. I know vets/military families that voted for Trump & after he won they were all puffed up, strutted around & crowed about how happy they were about his victory, they were happy he paraded all those Generals & military dudes out and appointed them, etc... Vets seem pretty happy about this so imo dont bitch about it now.. Y'all are getting the govt you deserve.. and if you dont like that, then maybe your beef should be with the vets/military that repeatedly vote for the GOP...

"In a new survey of American military personnel, Donald Trump emerged as active-duty service members' preference to become the next U.S. president, topping Hillary Clinton by more than a 2-to-1 margin."

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/election/2016/05/09/military-times-survey-donald-trump-beats-hillary-clinton/84132402/




tj444 -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/15/2017 3:19:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

OK, rather than have another ridiculous partisan monkey shit throwing contest, why doesn't anyone support this?

What does America have against Veterans' care?

Happy now? So why not?


Does anyone (other than military families & gun nuts & military suppliers) really support war? How many wars do Americans feel were right to go into, had good outcomes and worth the cost in dollars & maimed/dead bodies? I mean really? Is America tired of wars? not wanting to support the resulting health care of vets of wars they didnt feel were justified? Listen/read comments about homeless, which a good portion are (physically, mentally) damaged vets.. Does anyone wear poppies on Memorial Day? On Veterans Day and Memorial Day, why do most people go shopping instead of remembering? imo, not many Americans give a shite..

We live in the world of me, me, me.. and that is so reflected in the new Prez..




Musicmystery -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/15/2017 3:30:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
I mean, really, I'm asking--anyone get this?
Republicans have continually blocked VA spending, and the VA is bizarrely understaffed. I get the GOP wants to save every dime for tax cuts and even more military spending, but why is it Democrats trying to fund VA health care instead of the supposed mom and apple pie GOP (well, given whom they ran for president, I'd say the party of family values needs a new tag line)?
This seems a no-brainer to me. Fully fund and staff the VA.
What's the argument against it?
Anyone get it?


The GOP isn't against Veteran's health care.

But, in an attempt to further actual discourse, did something happen recently regarding this?


They are against funding it, which amounts to the same result.




kdsub -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/15/2017 4:47:39 PM)

I think they realize there is no way to provide benefits and support for veterans without raising taxes or cutting into the defense budget. Between Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq there are almost half as many veterans as there were in World War II and with the cost of healthcare skyrocketing many are turning to the VA for medical care.

The GOP have cut the budget to the bone under Obama and there is little room for large expenditures. They are afraid for their jobs if they request a tax increase so they give lip service to veterans but do little.

So it comes down to support of veterans or take a chance of losing their seat in Congress...I think we can see which choice they made.

Butch




WickedsDesire -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/15/2017 11:37:35 PM)

VA - is this war veterans and combatants? or those slanty eye king kongs...oh I looked it up does it really stand for Veterans Affair ffs?

Treatment of war veterans and combatants - shame on America and the UK and I am a muffinest. But you do not hurl people into the fire cauldron and expect them to walk/hobble away unscathed and offer them abandonment.

To a man/women they should have every bit of support they need/require - shame on anyone who made excuses to the contrary...and how are Donald's tax returns these days?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/16/2017 7:13:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
I mean, really, I'm asking--anyone get this?
Republicans have continually blocked VA spending, and the VA is bizarrely understaffed. I get the GOP wants to save every dime for tax cuts and even more military spending, but why is it Democrats trying to fund VA health care instead of the supposed mom and apple pie GOP (well, given whom they ran for president, I'd say the party of family values needs a new tag line)?
This seems a no-brainer to me. Fully fund and staff the VA.
What's the argument against it?
Anyone get it?

The GOP isn't against Veteran's health care.
But, in an attempt to further actual discourse, did something happen recently regarding this?

They are against funding it, which amounts to the same result.


Again.... in an attempt to further actual discourse, did something happen recently regarding this?





Musicmystery -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/16/2017 7:49:31 AM)

Not every important issue is a reaction to a news story.

The VA has long been understaffed -- by thousands. And underfunded.

When do we address this? Or is the message "Fuck Veterans' Care"?




BoscoX -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/16/2017 8:22:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Not every important issue is a reaction to a news story.

The VA has long been understaffed -- by thousands. And underfunded.

When do we address this? Or is the message "Fuck Veterans' Care"?


Does your sudden newfound bleeding heart snake tears concern for our veterans, have something to do with who has been president for less than a month by any chance

Rhetorical question, we all know the answer




kdsub -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/16/2017 8:38:24 AM)

There is plenty of blame to go around on both sides... but remember which party that has been trying to fix this mess. And who has been controlling government spending.

Butch




Lucylastic -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/16/2017 8:38:46 AM)

Well he did make that spectacular bollocks of the federal hiring freeze and had to amend it to NOT include the VA
as they have 40,000+ jobs unfilled.
Being as that was discussed way back in the what first three days of his reign, I will let you search for yourself.
Or it could have something to do with the repubs cutting an amendment to ensure vets could access VA care differently, when Repubs tried to gut prime parts out of the Obamacare(ACA) back before the SCROTUS took office.




BoscoX -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/16/2017 8:43:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

There is plenty of blame to go around on both sides... but remember which party that has been trying to fix this mess. And who has been controlling government spending.

Butch


Plenty of blame to go around, so long as we are careful to continue ignoring the massive Obama VA scandal

The executive branch administers spending, and under Obama is said administration was scandal plagued

Now that the new president has an R by his name, you loons ridiculously want to lay the blame at his feet while ignoring the facts




BoscoX -> RE: Why does the GOP oppose Veterans' health care? (2/16/2017 8:46:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Well he did make that spectacular bollocks of the federal hiring freeze and had to amend it to NOT include the VA
as they have 40,000+ jobs unfilled.



40,000+ after eight years of Obama, which thank you for pointing out that they are working to correct that by (for one thing) excluding the VA from the hiring freeze while the swamp is being drained




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