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RE: Challenging the illusion that men don’t need help - 2/18/2017 7:09:28 PM   
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The 2008 crash killed off a lot of 'man jobs'


Actually, it was NAFTA. I watched jobs go south and west and industrial towns destruct way before 2008.

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RE: Challenging the illusion that men don’t need help - 2/18/2017 7:14:14 PM   
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Oh, so you're one of those insecure folks whose gender identity is easily threatened, feeling need to constantly re-assert ?

Didn't mean to touch a nerve there, sorry.


But yes, I hear both women and men make the comment I alluded to, and directed to either gender. I was just countering the OP's proposal, which reason I narrowed it to that purpose.




My gender identity is not supported by wearing black and carrying a big whip, it is quite the opposite.

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RE: Challenging the illusion that men don’t need help - 2/18/2017 9:36:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LTE


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ORIGINAL: Edwird


Oh, so you're one of those insecure folks whose gender identity is easily threatened, feeling need to constantly re-assert ?

Didn't mean to touch a nerve there, sorry.


But yes, I hear both women and men make the comment I alluded to, and directed to either gender. I was just countering the OP's proposal, which reason I narrowed it to that purpose.




My gender identity is not supported by wearing black and carrying a big whip, it is quite the opposite.


Wearing white and carrying flowers?

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RE: Challenging the illusion that men don’t need help - 2/18/2017 9:49:44 PM   
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Gee RM even by your standards it's a stretch to claim there is indifference to the suffering of males.

Those of us exposed to your never ending whining are constantly reminded of your suffering. Those of us who have tried to help you find a sensible way out of your suffering - and that includes many of the regular posters here - are clearly hearing your pleas for help and attention and responding, even if you are too stubborn and stupid to profit from the knowledge and experiences of others. So in your particular case, it's not a case of indifference by others but mule headed obstinacy and the delight you seem to take in your suffering that is preventing a resolution of your issues.

When you cease supping at the fountain of fascism, when you abandon the muddy thinking and rampant prejudice that colour your biases, when you stop wallowing in your multiple insecurities and learn to stand on your own two feet, you will be pleasantly surprised at how the world looks when its seen through clear eyes.

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RE: Challenging the illusion that men don’t need help - 2/18/2017 9:49:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: respectmen

https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/challenging-illusion-men-dont-need-help

The evidence for the "Women are wonderful effect" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Women_are_wonderful%22_effect

And the ingroup bias with women. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15491274

There is no doubt that we I as a collective an individual are blind to female suffering.

Fixed it for ya.


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RE: Challenging the illusion that men don’t need help - 2/19/2017 12:18:00 PM   
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As we have often discussed before, I don't agree with your methods.

It's not a bad thing to attempt to put a focus on men's health issues. It's a bad thing to try to make a gender war out of it.


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RE: Challenging the illusion that men don’t need help - 2/19/2017 1:01:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

As we have often discussed before, I don't agree with your methods.

It's not a bad thing to attempt to put a focus on men's health issues. It's a bad thing to try to make a gender war out of it.



The voice of sanity if you can call anything that anymore.

And actually, you just got lucky for the response. I do agree. It seems RM is super sensitive to anything that is - damn, I don't know what to call it. I am starting to not like his approach. In my day, Men were taught that we should protect and defend Women, that we should treat them well and they would reciprocate of course with the things they do, though sometimes you have to teach them to cook. Most Women do not know how to fry something, and actually get scared when the grease catches on fire. But you generally treat one right and she will kill for you and your kids, possibly even die.

But through the years, first of all because breasts were put on the Women, they had to feed the kids. There was no Enfamil or whatever back then, and it was kinda impractical for Women to go out plowing fields while breastfeeding.

As such, I believe by natural selection and whatever else, Men became physically stronger. this because as she had to take care of the kids, which is o trivial matter, don't get me wrong here, but he had to go out and fetch up some meat for dinner and plow the fields and all that. So gender did assume its effect on the roles of the different genders.

Unfortunately some males took that physical superiority and abused it, and worked havoc on their Women, many of whom put up with it to long. this has grown into a situation where laws are actually slanted towards the favor of the female in the case of domestic violence issues for example. I can see that clearly as can many, but the fact is that a male is more likely to intimidate a female than the other way around, and therefore now the state takes up domestic problems and handles the prosecution, and COMPELS the Woman to testify in some cases. Whether this is right or wrong is beyond the scope of this text.

I see where there is injustice built right nto the system. Our buddy Slip got hooked up with the wrong braod over in Vegas. He was/is a dealer, and I guess good enough to get a job. But a cop asked the bitch if she was afraid of him and in one word "yes", got him throw out of the place he paid the bills at and now he can't get a CCW anymore because of her.

They are up in arms because Russia is removing these unfair laws. What's more, Women there are tough, in many cases they are the breadwinner and the Father takes the kids to school and so forth. In fact there has been alot of that going on in the US in the last few decades. Women are not the little snowflakes (not to borrow the term from the political assholes here) that they once might have been when yon Sire climbed up her hair to the tower in which her evil Father had locked her.

Many things have passed. First of all there are more Women getting degrees than Men now. Underclass ? Not even softly. Now go to the grocery store. Watch who has food stamps. Blacks are paying cash and Whites are using the card. Go to see a doctor, want to guess the race ?

We already know that the racial inequality is gone. It used to be there but they overcame. And now the Women.

there have been female dominated societies in the past, don't see too much of them now but they were viable, at least for a time. but the fact also remains that White Men (or large males) have certainly fucked up this planet, females were not given the chance.

Sometimes I wonder what they would have done if they had the chance. I can tell you they are not really morally any more solid than males. But then they are not worse either. (well I have known a few, but they are probably the exception)

I already told RM that he finds what he seeks. I iterated on here about my buddy who was always seeing the number 13, and I got him to look for the number 12 instead, and as expected he comes back and says "I'll be damned, you're right, the number 12 comes up even more than 13 !".

So, not quite a troll, he is pretty much established as the one who will seek out and find any mal-intent or whatever against males. And it is not as if there isn't, especially White males. But the thing is, we White Men can handle whatever anyone dishes out.

I have let serious shit just roll off my back. Others don't seem to have that capacity. Sorry about their luck.

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RE: Challenging the illusion that men don’t need help - 2/19/2017 11:47:47 PM   
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Those of us exposed to your never ending whining are constantly reminded of your suffering.


What is feminism all about again? Complaining complaining complaining. It never ends, they are never satisfied. The whole purpose of feminism is to fucking complain!

So what makes it okay for a feminist to complain but not a male to complain in support of his gender? Why is it only considered whining when a male complains in support of his gender?


Why are you such an idiotic female favouring hypocrite?

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Those of us who have tried to help you find a sensible way out of your suffering - and that includes many of the regular posters here - are clearly hearing your pleas for help and attention and responding, even if you are too stubborn and stupid to profit from the knowledge and experiences of others


There is no advice to give me. This isn't about me. I don't need help and I don't seek any help. Many people who reply to my threads try to turn every topic I make in here about me, instead of the said topic,in an attempt to intimidate me because they simply don't like the topics I make.

This is about that males have issues too and people like you totally ignore it or shame any male who raises such issues due to your female favouritism and bigotry against men.

I'm not the problem, your personal bias against men is the problem. You can thank feminist indoctrination for that.

Look, think logically for once. What is so fucking different of me pointing out that men have issues too compared to a feminist pointing out that women have issues?

There shouldn't be any double standards if you're a reasonable and logical person who wants equality. You always try to shame men from using the same type of freedom of speech that you think feminists are so entitled to use.

So again, it's you who is the problem, not me. You have to learn what equality actually is and start treating men how you would treat any woman speaking up about female issues. If you can't display that, you lose all validity in anything you say. You just appear to be another female favouring hypocrite.

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So in your particular case, it's not a case of indifference by others but mule headed obstinacy and the delight you seem to take in your suffering that is preventing a resolution of your issues.


You seem to keep mentioning "my suffering" which is non existent in this forum. My topic is pretty much about male issues as a whole being ignored. This isn't about me, this is about male issues. If you can't comprehend this, I assume that you may be borderline retarded.

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when you abandon the muddy thinking and rampant prejudice that colour your biases,


Can you see the total irony in that when looking at the way you treat men when they complain about male issues?

Jesus christ you're stupid. You're whole attitude towards men wanting to raise awareness for male issues absolutely reeks of muddy thinking, rampant prejudice and biases.

If you just simply treated men the same as a feminist who complains about female issues, you wouldn't be exactly what I quoted from you.

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when you stop wallowing in your multiple insecurities


The insecure shaming tactic is one I see commonly used against men who complain. So tell me, how exactly does it make a male insecure to simply point out crappy attitudes against his gender? Can you make a logical argument out of this and explain in detail?

That said, if a male is insecure to do so, does that mean a feminist is too when she complains about female issues? Or is there yet another female favouring double standard?

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and learn to stand on your own two feet


I stand on my own two feet very fine thanks. I'm financially and emotionally secure. Unlike plenty of feminists who have failed in life and blame men/patriarchy for all their problems. That's the very definition of insecurity and not standing on your own two feet.

To think you need feminism, which is a crutch, to get by in life, is pretty damn pathetic, don't you think? Feminism is a crutch, a crutch is meant for disabled people who can't get by in life without special assistance.

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RE: Challenging the illusion that men don’t need help - 2/20/2017 12:19:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: respectmen

What is feminism all about again? Complaining complaining complaining. It never ends, they are never satisfied. The whole purpose of feminism is to fucking complain!

Since all you do is complain, complain, complain, by your reasoning, that must make you a feminist.

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RE: Challenging the illusion that men don’t need help - 2/20/2017 12:29:59 AM   
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Since all you do is complain, complain, complain, by your reasoning, that must make you a feminist.


Oh great, so now men's issues is included in feminism. It's finally about equality.

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