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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/all-time-best-president-united-states-rankings-235149
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I think time will tell if he is ranked higher or lower. You really have to take a longer view of a President than just while he is in term. Will President Obama's programs and legislation end up being good or bad for the US? Hard to tell, isn't it? Same goes for where he ranks against other Presidents.

The article even mentioned that:

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The final verdict on Obama's legacy may still take time to truly assess, though, as historical views are admittedly likely to season as time passes.

"Of course, historians prefer to view the past from a distance, and only time will reveal his legacy," said Medford of Obama.

So, in all reality, this is really nothing more than a puff piece. I expect he'll end up higher on the list as time goes by.

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The curious thing about Carter is that the stuff that the GOP (and, some have suggested, the CIA) were blocking him over has turned out to be entirely correct in hindsight. This was the president who was complaining about American dependency on fuel imports back in '77, after all. Okay, OPEC had engineered an oil crisis to bully concessions out of the rest of the world at the time, so he'd have had to have been pretty dim to miss it, but even so...

Johnson was pretty good at forcing concessions from the Republicans as well, wasn't he?

Johnson had dems in congress.

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You got it DS although on the face of it being 12 up from his predecessor being 33 or 34 now...isn't bad.

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And all of this has implications in the present administration how?

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Alex jones believes trump is one of the top 3....already.

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Alex jones believes trump is one of the top 3....already.

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http://mediamatters.org/video/2017/02/16/alex-jones-trump-already-top-three-presidents-all-time/215372
its quite something....

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Alex jones believes trump is one of the top 3....already.

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That's true, but aren't there a couple of stories about him threatening republican senators who were planning to fillibuster with the removal of federal installations that provided employment and revenue in their 'States?

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I wouldn't put Obama in the top quarter. I'd have him about average (you must remember that there have been some truly crappy presidents).
I didn't see him as particularly effective. Yes, the economy improved a lot in 8 years but it started so far in the dumper after Dubya that it had nowhere to go but up.
The improvement was slow. I feel that the obstructionism of the GOP had a lot to do with it but a truly effective leader would have been able to deal with it.

How ?

Look what Clinton did.
He also had to deal with a mostly obstructionist GOP but we had 8 years of peace and prosperity.
He was a morally bankrupt fuck but he got things DONE for the good of the country.

By contrast was Carter who was one of the most moral and good men ever to hold the office.
But, as for leadership, he couldn't lead pissants to a picnic.

Yet Carter is twice the man Reagan was.

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Actually, 12 out of 36 would put him in the top third.


There have been 43 presidents

43/3=14.3 is one third of 43...obama=12. Twelve is between 1 and 14.3.
43/4=10..75 is one fourth of 43...obama =12. Twelve is not between 1 and 10.75.



Jesus, you are phoquing innumerate. [8D]


We now know why you were a p.e. teacher.


Invertebrate zoology, Marine mammal anatomy and physiology, Biology, Microbiology, physical science, Environmental science, marine science and AP physics, liar.

You also taught lying???oh you mean rhetoric.
Wow all that and you still can't do sums.

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You got it DS although on the face of it being 12 up from his predecessor being 33 or 34 now...isn't bad.

Bush 43 had 8 years of hysterics leveled at him while in office and several more afterwards, too. I'm not surprised he's quite a bit further down the list. I also am skeptical that there isn't any bias in the list.

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You got it DS although on the face of it being 12 up from his predecessor being 33 or 34 now...isn't bad.

Bush 43 had 8 years of hysterics leveled at him while in office and several more afterwards, too. I'm not surprised he's quite a bit further down the list. I also am skeptical that there isn't any bias in the list.

Dubya also had 8 years of the economy going from prosperity to the poor house.

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You got it DS although on the face of it being 12 up from his predecessor being 33 or 34 now...isn't bad.

Bush 43 had 8 years of hysterics leveled at him while in office and several more afterwards, too. I'm not surprised he's quite a bit further down the list. I also am skeptical that there isn't any bias in the list.

Dubya also had 8 years of the economy going from prosperity to the poor house.

Considering he came in to a mini recession from the dotcom bubble burst and 9/11 terrorist attacks in his first year, the economy wasn't going from prosperity to the poor house for 8 years.

The Democrats were in charge of Congress when the shit hit the fan, so that's on them, right?