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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

This is Paul Ryans "better healthcare plan"?
https://abetterhealthcareplan.com/

Not much on that link Lucy - unless you register.
And it still feels like it's greedy insurance-based crap.
Across-the-board cover for all doesn't have "plans" to pick from. lol.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

No middle class jobs means no middle class benefits... and that's what's wrong with US healthcare today.

The problem with US healthcare is the greedy insurance companies and big pharma ripping off the citizens - whatever class you're in.

dont fucking kid yourself anything the US gubblmint considers their 'interest' has been commercialized and is now and forever part of THEIR insider monopoly

Care to quote where the government actually run any of the insurance companies?
Or have any shares or interest (other than tax) in big pharma??

The only interest I can see is tax.
And this new PoS government are going to slash the tax rates.
Who is going to fill the 20% less not going into the coffers??

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Just another move to make the insurance companies even richer.
I didn't expect anything different.

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Perhaps all you Trump suporters can explain to me about Obama care's replacement.

I can remember that during Clinton's years there was talk about rapidly increasing medical costs and the need to do something about it.

Then for 8 years of Bush nothing was done.

Then Obama helped pass a law to help with those rapidly increasing medical costs during his first years in office.

Then for the rest of his term Republicans could talk of nothing but about how bad the law was and how it should be repealed and replaced.

And now about 20 years later the Republicans have nothing to replace it with, like they were caught unawares by the need to come up with something?

Tell me why is that?

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Just another move to make the insurance companies even richer.
I didn't expect anything different.

all our rights are subject to their commercial law.

The gubmint is a commercial corporation and trust which is why they cant recognize anything they cant monetize. So they monetize everything including your fucking souls, for those that have them.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Unless a right can be connected to some form of commercialism they have no jurisdiction, and that has now expanded to gubmint insurance protecting people like lucy from themselves.

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Just another move to make the insurance companies even richer.
I didn't expect anything different.

all our rights are subject to their commercial law.

The gubmint is a commercial corporation and trust which is why they cant recognize anything they cant monetize. So they monetize everything including your fucking souls, for those that have them.

Really??
What a weird and warped perspective.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Unless a right can be connected to some form of commercialism they have no jurisdiction, and that has now expanded to gubmint insurance protecting people like lucy from themselves.

So you are taxed on your right to free speech?
Taxed on your right to practice your religion?

Really R1. You are sooo disconnected with reality.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
like lucy you are blind in one eye and cant see out of the other.

ANY imposition upon you what so ever that costs you so much as ONE RED CENT is technically a tax.

Its you who are disconnected because its you who never studied that there are many shapes and forms to accomplish the same ends.

As far as you are concerned if it does not say TAX BILL on it, its not a tax.

The only office without rights is the office of citizen, stuff that one in your pipe! LOL

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like lucy you are blind in one eye and cant see out of the other.

ANY imposition upon you what so ever that costs you so much as ONE RED CENT is technically a tax.

Its you who are disconnected because its you who never studied that there are many shapes and forms to accomplish the same ends.

As far as you are concerned if it does not say TAX BILL on it, its not a tax.

The only office without rights is the office of citizen, stuff that one in your pipe! LOL

Really R1. You cannot comprehend anything that's not stuffed up your ass.

The thread is about replacing Obamacare.
A single-payer system could do that.

And, fwiw, my healthcare doesn't cost me a bean; not one red cent, not a penny.
Had I been in the US, it would probably have cost me ~$20,000 or more for my 5-day stay in the hospital over xmas???
That's 3x my total annual income!!
I know where I prefer to live.

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I said it once I will say it a milion fucking times, universal national health care cannot work in the unionized capitalist system and at the same time be classified as capitalist. period

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I said it once I will say it a milion fucking times, universal national health care cannot work in the unionized capitalist system and at the same time be classified as capitalist. period

Oh, but that's where I disagree.
Out hospitals and NHS are run by various unions.
It's the funding source that's different.
So yes, universal healthcare can and does work with unionised labour.

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I said it once I will say it a milion fucking times, universal national health care cannot work in the unionized capitalist system and at the same time be classified as capitalist. period

Oh, but that's where I disagree.
Out hospitals and NHS are run by various unions.
It's the funding source that's different.
So yes, universal healthcare can and does work with unionised labour.

now you need to qualify your statement in different terms and context? I didnt say that, your response is nonresponsive since you shifted the goal posts to a completely different topic not related on any level to the point I made that you are pretending to refute.