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Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 2:27:32 AM   
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http://www.alternet.org/trump-vs-deep-state

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While definitions vary, the Deep State includes the CIA, NSA, Defense Intelligence Agency, and components of the State Department, Justice Department, Department of Homeland Security, and the armed forces. These are unelected government workers who do not have to answer to the government.


Before the RWNJs go all apeshit over the source, Breitbart also acknowledges it, and also acknowledges that there is a rift between the 'Deep State' and the White House:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/15/deep-state-resistance-spies-withhold-intel-trump/

So the fact that the Intelligence Community is withholding information from the White House has exposed a really interesting dimension of American politics that it seems few people were aware of-- largely, that the IC has never really had to answer the the President-- they simply agree to.

Of course, what's unique about this situation is that this is probably the first time the IC has been actively working AGAINST the president, not because they want the Democrats to win, but because they sincerely believe that Trump's Russia ties are compromising the United States.

So currently the threat to democracy is coming from 2 different aspects of the US government-- Trump/Bannon's disgusting autocratic aspirations and probable roles as Putin's bitches/partners in crime, and the Intelligence Community with its unelected operatives attempting to take down the elected president.

I know the right is going to write this off as the politicization of the Intelligence Community and a conspiracy against the one man who wants to clean up Washington/give the people what they want... it's really not so far removed from the global warming conspiracy theories... but it really doesn't seem likely.

I can see this ending 2 ways-- impeachment/absolute disposal of the Trump administration or the collapse of democracy in the United States. Either Pence will be in charge of cleaning up the mess... though I doubt that the millions of paranoid, deluded Trump supporters will ever accept that it wasn't a hit job... or someone is going to make a very large, very disturbing move to end the conflict even more decisively.
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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 7:34:36 AM   
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Not sure it's completely unprecedented: the CIA had it in for Carter as well, did they not?
(On the other hand them turning against a republican -or at least a RINO- is very unusual, as they're a relentlessly republican agency by most accounts.)

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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 7:44:07 AM   
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We talked about those scenarios before – the latter of your two is definitely possible..as is the first.

There is also a middle option – a little known rule in the Republican manifesto, which has never been put to the test. In essence/theory his own party can declare him fuking nuts (unfit) and remove him to an asylum ,it was rule 20 or 9 or something like that, but I don’t know if I could be invoked after his inauguration. Not that it matters as all I see senate vote wise is all votes 52 v minority (one exception being for revoking an Obama gun law for the disabled gun ownership, which garnered 56ish votes)

But there is also the 25th amendment (which was written just after JFK), which transferred power to two vice presidents for a few hours. And something that was considered to remove Regan Completely: in no way am I knocking Alzheimer’s but Regan was unfit even during term one, and certainly a stone bonker in term two. What’s sad here is they knew and yet did nothing….still nice to know Aliens exists :)

25th I know little about care to explain that someone?

Electoral College was designed to stop creatures like Trump – and that was a landslide. Part of me thinks the Republicans were so desperate for power they were prepared to do absolutely anything and everything…What disappointed me, and we talked about it on here, is that not one voted against trump – there may have been 1….but more of the electoral college voted Against Hilary. Which is why you see me use words like gutless, pinko republican controlled senate pish swamp...a few Republicans would have been nice - so i view them all as spineless with self vested interests

To me senate, well the Republicans to a person are complicit and have enabled trumps every move - mid term elections are due in 2018....and for balance I talked about those who defied the 3 party whip at the last BREXIT reading - 1 tory and perhaps 50ish labour defied

Impeachment! the simplest thing to do is go after his tax returns. It will get real ugly and messy if he falls because of the Russians.

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Why the 25th Amendment is suddenly getting so much attention http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/why-the-25th-amendment-suddenly-getting-so-much-attention

I liked this bit During Donald Trump’s press conference yesterday, a variety of reporters in the room were overheard whispering among each other about the “insane” nature of president’s performance. There was a similar reaction on Capitol Hill: NBC News’ Kasie Hunt said lawmakers from both parties watched the event with their “jaws on the floor.”

Earlier in the week, the Washington Post’s E.J. Dionne Jr. asked a question many have pondered, but few have spoken aloud: “What is this democratic nation to do when the man serving as president of the United States plainly has no business being president of the United States?” His colleague, Dana Milbank, recently conceded, “My worry is the president of the United States is barking mad.”


Increasing talk of using 25th Amendment to strip Trump of power

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/politics/increasing-talk-of-using-25th-amendment-to-strip-trump-of-power/article/486189#ixzz4ZF1kjG7G interesting is this bit Congressman wants Article 4 amended

Rep. Earl Blumenaur (D-OR) wants what he calls the “fatal flaw” in the 25th Amendment to be corrected. He said the use of the Amendment would fail in the case of a president who is “mentally unstable, paranoid or delusional.”
Blumenauer would like to see a bipartisan panel of lawmakers and former presidents be able decide if the current holder of the office of the president is fit to continue to serve.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/20/democrats-question-president-trumps-mental-health/ so many bits in that one I like but i liked this bit best Dr. Emrani said, “the media was swooning over Barack Obama and covered up every mistake he made. But with Trump, they blow everything up. Are you telling me half of America voted for a mentally ill man? And that a mentally ill man blew out a candidate who was groomed her entire life for the presidency? Is this how you go high when they go low? That is crazy.” guffaws guffaws guffaws

incidentally only about 25% of the eligible electorate voted for trump and three million more voted for Hilary






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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 8:34:36 AM   
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Trump could also do something stupid and dangerous to attempt to hold onto power.

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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 8:46:08 AM   
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Trump could also do something stupid and dangerous to attempt to hold onto power.


I know what people say about the '9/11 was an inside job' people... but at the very least Trump and Bannon must be hoping that will be another similar event, preferably even bigger than 9/11.

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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 8:52:19 AM   
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"7 eleven" heavyblinker - and yes I know what you are saying with that one...wouldn't put it past those paranoid fuknuts...well there was something recently about a tagart bomber - but he was white. Interesting though isnt it, how does a monstrous autocrat consolidate its power- take absolute power and obedience?




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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 9:04:41 AM   
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Trump could also do something stupid and dangerous to attempt to hold onto power.


I know what people say about the '9/11 was an inside job' people... but at the very least Trump and Bannon must be hoping that will be another similar event, preferably even bigger than 9/11.


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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 9:08:00 AM   
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Get help.

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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 9:18:50 AM   
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Get help.


Find some real news sources, idiot. Your hysterical Wall Street Journal stupidity has been debunked. Sure, leftists in government hate free and fair elections but intelligence professionals withholding intel from their superiors?

It is preposterous on its face but morons like you are far too slow to get that

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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 9:26:37 AM   
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Get help.

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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 9:28:07 AM   
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Boscox are you going with hysterical today..or do you rotate that with snowflake, left, alt-left, liberal? You should be in Trumps team of brain poverty, and dont forget to throw in fake news, fake news, and plenty of made up shite...You really are completely clueless arnt you. You cant be insane, as that alludes to you actually having a brain and mind.

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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 9:38:55 AM   
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Get help.


Grow up tiny boy

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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 9:41:15 AM   
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Grow a brain maggot.......

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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 11:09:44 AM   
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The 25th Amendment would be a very tricky way to go. Pence could easily get Trump out of office for a minute, but all Trump has to do is write a statement to the Senate and House in order to resume command.
There are no other requirements. No mental or physical exams. Just the VP writing a letter to take the job, and the President writing another letter to take it back.

Those portions of the Amendment have only been used in a story arc for The West Wing, and it was all very amicable. Amicable isnt a word we can use in association with Trump though. So I would imagine if he wasn't outright assassinated, he'd be having Pence tried for treason, as well as any other conspirators that could possibly be named.

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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 11:50:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://www.alternet.org/trump-vs-deep-state

quote:

While definitions vary, the Deep State includes the CIA, NSA, Defense Intelligence Agency, and components of the State Department, Justice Department, Department of Homeland Security, and the armed forces. These are unelected government workers who do not have to answer to the government.


Before the RWNJs go all apeshit over the source, Breitbart also acknowledges it, and also acknowledges that there is a rift between the 'Deep State' and the White House:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/15/deep-state-resistance-spies-withhold-intel-trump/

So the fact that the Intelligence Community is withholding information from the White House has exposed a really interesting dimension of American politics that it seems few people were aware of-- largely, that the IC has never really had to answer the the President-- they simply agree to.

Of course, what's unique about this situation is that this is probably the first time the IC has been actively working AGAINST the president, not because they want the Democrats to win, but because they sincerely believe that Trump's Russia ties are compromising the United States.

So currently the threat to democracy is coming from 2 different aspects of the US government-- Trump/Bannon's disgusting autocratic aspirations and probable roles as Putin's bitches/partners in crime, and the Intelligence Community with its unelected operatives attempting to take down the elected president.

I know the right is going to write this off as the politicization of the Intelligence Community and a conspiracy against the one man who wants to clean up Washington/give the people what they want... it's really not so far removed from the global warming conspiracy theories... but it really doesn't seem likely.

I can see this ending 2 ways-- impeachment/absolute disposal of the Trump administration or the collapse of democracy in the United States. Either Pence will be in charge of cleaning up the mess... though I doubt that the millions of paranoid, deluded Trump supporters will ever accept that it wasn't a hit job... or someone is going to make a very large, very disturbing move to end the conflict even more decisively.

You do realize that the irony of your post is that you faithfully accept that everything that the Ic implies about Trump must be True even though you admit that they want to bring him down. I assume that you are aware that spreading false rumors and innuendo about their enemy.

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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 12:15:25 PM   
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bama, you might not see this in time to give me the green-light but I was thinking of doing a pre-emptive mnottertroll strike/reply to you...

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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 12:23:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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Trump could also do something stupid and dangerous to attempt to hold onto power.


I know what people say about the '9/11 was an inside job' people... but at the very least Trump and Bannon must be hoping that will be another similar event, preferably even bigger than 9/11.

An assessment based only on your irrational hatred or Trump.

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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 12:26:05 PM   
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bama, you might not see this in time to give me the green-light but I was thinking of doing a pre-emptive mnottertroll strike/reply to you...

Have fun.


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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 12:40:14 PM   
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RE: Trump vs. the 'Deep State' - 2/20/2017 1:03:39 PM   
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You do realize that the irony of your post is that you faithfully accept that everything that the Ic implies about Trump must be True even though you admit that they want to bring him down. I assume that you are aware that spreading false rumors and innuendo about their enemy.


I think the reason they want to bring him down is because they know it is true.

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