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thompsonx -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/23/2017 6:43:07 PM)


ORIGINAL: Aylee



Now there is the problem Peon. Violence against women does happen.

True statement.



Bathrooms/changing rooms/ and showers are places that males prey on females.

Do you have a cite for this?
If not then this would be a lie.




This is a problem. Opening up areas to people claiming to be TV/TS increases the likelihood for more abuse of females.


How do you get there from your premise?


So. . . how do you solve the problem of knowing whether or not the person with the male body and a mature penis standing next to a 10 or 12 or 14 year old girl in a changing room or shower is not a threat to her safety?

What lawe requires men and small girl children to shower together?


Previously we have minimized abuse by segregating male bodies from female bodies.


This would be another one of your lies.



Is there some reason that you believe that society is ready to accept more people that have been abused? How many victims are you willing to tell, "Yeah, sorry about that, we didn't realize that predators and the unscrupulous would lie."?

The obvious corolary to the above is that if you are a liar you are a sexual predetor. Since you have proved to be a liar it would follow that you would be a sexual predetor.

We had a policy to minimize abuse.


Which policy would that be?


This will increase abuse.

This what? will increase abuse?

How many extra victims are you okay with?


You have yet to point out the cause of your imaginary effect.




Edwird -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/23/2017 6:55:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee
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ORIGINAL: Edwird
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Lefty males can NOT protect their 12 year old daughters. When you have to spend the first 40 minutes checking your privilege, then another 40 minutes making sure that you are having the correct feelings for the week on intersectionality, five minutes deciding on pronouns, and 20 minutes on placement position on the victim pecking order, a person is much too tired to solve the problem of a mature human penis next to your daughter in the shower.

If that isn't a perfect example of projection, I don't know what is.

So you spend all that time with your kids telling them what to be scared of before they start the day? Not surprised here.

Aside your requisite fantasy about others, to purpose of justifying your own bizarre notion of how the world works in vain attempt at 'normalization' of your own hyper-phobias, my sisters and their various husbands and my parent friends actually avoid preaching anything much at all, much less anything of ideological bent. More of them might be considered 'liberals,' some are conservative leaning, but a minimum of 'preaching,' either case.

Excuse me? I am not the one trying to normalize the grooming behavior of a person with an adult male body showering next to an underage female.


No, miss dim bulb, it was your outright fabrication of what alleged 'lefty fathers' supposedly spend 40 and 40 and 5 and 20 minutes on that I responded to.

Like a true neocon, you forget where you pooped, so you keep stepping in it.






Aylee -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/23/2017 8:02:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwird


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ORIGINAL: Aylee
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ORIGINAL: Edwird
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Lefty males can NOT protect their 12 year old daughters. When you have to spend the first 40 minutes checking your privilege, then another 40 minutes making sure that you are having the correct feelings for the week on intersectionality, five minutes deciding on pronouns, and 20 minutes on placement position on the victim pecking order, a person is much too tired to solve the problem of a mature human penis next to your daughter in the shower.

If that isn't a perfect example of projection, I don't know what is.

So you spend all that time with your kids telling them what to be scared of before they start the day? Not surprised here.

Aside your requisite fantasy about others, to purpose of justifying your own bizarre notion of how the world works in vain attempt at 'normalization' of your own hyper-phobias, my sisters and their various husbands and my parent friends actually avoid preaching anything much at all, much less anything of ideological bent. More of them might be considered 'liberals,' some are conservative leaning, but a minimum of 'preaching,' either case.

Excuse me? I am not the one trying to normalize the grooming behavior of a person with an adult male body showering next to an underage female.


No, miss dim bulb, it was your outright fabrication of what alleged 'lefty fathers' supposedly spend 40 and 40 and 5 and 20 minutes on that I responded to.

Like a true neocon, you forget where you pooped, so you keep stepping in it.





LOL. So to counter my point about how much time is spent before a problem can be solved, leaving no time to solve the problem, you give me a word-salad and still give no solution to the problem?




Aylee -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/23/2017 8:03:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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We had a policy to minimize abuse.
This will increase abuse.
How many extra victims are you okay with?


Will it increase abuse? What's the actual evidence here?


The increased reports of males harassing females in the female spaces.




thompsonx -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/23/2017 8:36:00 PM)


ORIGINAL: Aylee


Still waiting




BoscoX -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 7:17:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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We had a policy to minimize abuse.
This will increase abuse.
How many extra victims are you okay with?


Will it increase abuse? What's the actual evidence here?


The increased reports of males harassing females in the female spaces.


The keep pushing coed this and coed that then scream about rape epidemics




mnottertail -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 7:29:33 AM)

still pimping pedophiles, convicts, rapists, drug addicts. You feebleminded nutsucker.




Aylee -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 7:31:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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We had a policy to minimize abuse.
This will increase abuse.
How many extra victims are you okay with?


Will it increase abuse? What's the actual evidence here?


The increased reports of males harassing females in the female spaces.


The keep pushing coed this and coed that then scream about rape epidemics


Floppy man part in 12 year old's face? Well, that is perfectly fine. She needs more tolerance.

Floppy man part on college campus? EEK! Sexual Harassment! Title IX! Violence against Women! Put him on the sex offenders list!




mnottertail -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 7:51:59 AM)

There have been more nutsuckers arrested for bathroom sexual violations than trans people. And in every case it was in boys bathrooms.




Awareness -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 8:40:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
To me, it seems completely implausible that anyone would have anything to fear from a TV or TS in a changing room. Why would they? Those people will have spent years being ashamed, worried or even outright frightened of people's responses to them. The very last thing they're going to want to do is freak out a child in a changing room and risk dealing with that kid's irate father later on.

Jesus. Really, isn't this common sense? Sometimes I really do think righties should *get out more*.
Look, part of the fucking problem here is that you're really fucking stupid. Christ, I am so bored with your ludicrous fucking inability to think.

I'll explain it to you - very simply. Try and fucking keep up.

We gate access to female bathrooms to protect women from men. You, of all people, keep on pushing the line about what pieces of shit men are, so you should - in theory - understand this.

The method of arbitration is gender-based, but since you Leftist nutcases are obsessed with fucking that up, let's say the method of arbitration is presenting as female.

If you create laws which remove that arbitration then it also removes that protection which it was designed to provide. It allows any sexual pervert to claim they're transgender and gain access to a protected space reserved for women. And yes. That happens.

Dumbed down - because I can't be bothered wasting my time and I'm anticipating the truly awesomely stupid response you'll inevitably come up with - we restrict those with high testosterone (men) from access to women's bathrooms because testosterone makes people horny and sexually aggressive. The appropriate response is to allow people into a woman's bathroom if they can truly pass for being a woman (because their testosterone count is likely low enough to reduce their chances of sexual aggression). In short, if people think you're in the wrong bathroom THEN YOU FUCKING ARE.

If you've dumped enough hormones into your system to give you female facial features and influence your body type, then I have no problem with you being born male and using the women's bathroom. And that's the way it should be. But if you look like a guy in a dress, then I'm sorry, but you're going to have to continue using the male bathroom until society can be sure you're genuinely transgender and not just another pervert.






thompsonx -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 8:55:38 AM)

ORIGINAL: Awareness

Look, part of the fucking problem here is that you're really fucking stupid. Christ, I am so bored with your ludicrous fucking inability to think.

I'll explain it to you - very simply. Try and fucking keep up.

We gate access to female bathrooms to protect women from men. You, of all people, keep on pushing the line about what pieces of shit men are, so you should - in theory - understand this.


You really do only open your mouth to change feet.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.




Though the first sex-segregated toilets were established in Paris in the 1700s, regulations requiring that American men and women use separate restrooms got their start in the late 1800s. The first regulation requiring separate toilet facilities for men and women was passed in 1887, when Massachusetts required the establishment of separate privies in businesses. “Wherever male and female persons are employed in the same factory or workshop, a significant number of separate and distinct water-closets, earth-closets, or privies shall be provided for the use of each sex and should be plainly designated,” the law reads. In the next line, mixed use of such facilities is prohibited. Over the course of the next three decades, nearly every state passed its own version of that law.
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But the rules that govern who pees where in public spaces were not created simply because of physical differences between men and women that affect how bathrooms are used. “One might think that it makes perfect sense, that bathrooms are separated by sex because there are basic biological differences,” says Terry Kogan, a law professor at the University of Utah. “That’s completely wrong.”
Kogan, who has done extensive research on the history of sex-segregation in public restrooms, tells TIME that the policies came about as a result of social anxieties about women's places in the world.
MORE: ‘Little Rock Nine’ Student: Transgender Bathroom Debate Is Part of Civil Rights Fight
Social norms of the period dictated that the home was a woman’s place. Even as women entered the workplace, often in the new factories that were being built at the time, there was a reluctance to integrate them fully into public life. Women, policymakers argued, were inherently weaker and still in need of protection from the harsh realities of the public sphere. Thus, separate facilities were introduced in nearly every aspect of society: women’s reading rooms were incorporated into public libraries; separate train cars were established for women, keeping them in the back to protect them in the event of a crash; and, with the advent of indoor bathrooms that were then in the process of replacing single-person outhouses, separate loos soon followed. The suggested layouts of restrooms, says Kogan, were designed to mimic the comforts of home—think curtains and chaise lounges.


http://time.com/4337761/history-sex-segregated-bathrooms/




Opponents of transgender rights have employed the slogan “No Men in Women’s Bathrooms,” which evokes visions of weak women being subject to attack by men if transgender women are allowed to “invade” the public bathroom.

In fact, the only solid evidence of any such attacks in public restrooms are those directed at transgendered individuals, a significant percentage of whom report verbal and physical assault in such spaces.


http://theconversation.com/how-did-public-bathrooms-get-to-be-separated-by-sex-in-the-first-place-59575




Musicmystery -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 8:59:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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We had a policy to minimize abuse.
This will increase abuse.
How many extra victims are you okay with?


Will it increase abuse? What's the actual evidence here?


The increased reports of males harassing females in the female spaces.


The keep pushing coed this and coed that then scream about rape epidemics

So your plan is to isolate them elsewhere so they can't be raped?




GaryWilcox -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 9:19:57 AM)

No one in Washington seems to be able to grasp the basics of being a transgendered person and what it actually means for themselves and others to be intolerant.

Imagine a person, born a boy, who discovers they are more themselves as a girl. That person walks into the Ladies' restroom.
Do they whip out a penis and pee against a wall? No. They use a stall.

Imagine a person, born a girl, who discovers they are more themselves as a boy. That person walks into a Men's restroom.
Do they try to pee in the urinal-- a literal pissing contest, with people born male? No. They use a stall.

All laws against transgenders do is make it so that the person born a boy has to walk into the boy's room wearing girl clothes, and the person born a boy has to walk into a the girl's room dressed as a boy, and the rest of us have to deal with that and make them feel even more uncomfortable than they already feel.




PeonForHer -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 9:24:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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We had a policy to minimize abuse.
This will increase abuse.
How many extra victims are you okay with?


Will it increase abuse? What's the actual evidence here?


The increased reports of males harassing females in the female spaces.


I was talking about TVs and TSs, not men in general. I'm assuming that the former will behave quite differently to straight males. They do so outside washrooms and changing rooms; I'd expect them to do so inside them, too.




PeonForHer -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 9:26:13 AM)

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No one in Washington seems to be able to grasp the basics of being a transgendered person and what it actually means for themselves and others to be intolerant.


Either intolerant - or, to be probably over-charitable to them - they just don't get out much.




BoscoX -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 9:32:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GaryWilcox

No one in Washington seems to be able to grasp the basics of being a transgendered person and what it actually means for themselves and others to be intolerant.

Imagine a person, born a boy, who discovers they are more themselves as a girl. That person walks into the Ladies' restroom.
Do they whip out a penis and pee against a wall? No. They use a stall.

Imagine a person, born a girl, who discovers they are more themselves as a boy. That person walks into a Men's restroom.
Do they try to pee in the urinal-- a literal pissing contest, with people born male? No. They use a stall.

All laws against transgenders do is make it so that the person born a boy has to walk into the boy's room wearing girl clothes, and the person born a boy has to walk into a the girl's room dressed as a boy, and the rest of us have to deal with that and make them feel even more uncomfortable than they already feel.


Where was your pussy hat when Obama removed the protections for women, threw their safe space doors wide open to any and every rapist who wanted waltz on in

Oh, right - actual women (and therefore women's rights) don't exist in your world. Anyone can be any sex at any time just by saying the words

No biological science allowed, feelings are all that count




BoscoX -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 9:35:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So your plan is to isolate them elsewhere so they can't be raped?


"MY plan"? [:D]

You are such an idiot

There were separate women's lockers and showers and restrooms long before I ever came along





GaryWilcox -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 9:44:19 AM)

I was in Manchester, at university, where my school had its main Student Union bathroom open to both genders, with no urinals and lots of stalls. And in the 4½ years I was there, there was never a single reported incident of abuse.

You are trying to spin that Obama made rape more accessible, but interestingly enough, that isn't what happened. Not anywhere. What happened, was that you, and people like you, were asked to consider the feelings of others-- transgender folk who just wanted to use a stall, out of your view-- and felt uncomfortable about it. So you twisted things as deeply as you could, because your gender identity is YOUR safe space, and when the rules changed, you couldn't demand your special privileges any more.

The biological science line-- a bathroom is a place where people are supposed to be defecating and urinating, in addition to quick upkeep of their appearance and hygiene. If someone is dressed in front of you, what does it matter if they are not the same as you since birth, or not the same as you in their current state? Why are you so precious about needing to know that only people with cocks are in the same room with you when you pee or take a shit?

You don't seem to be able to get out of a binary concept of gender, and you seem really passionate about it.




Musicmystery -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 12:30:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So your plan is to isolate them elsewhere so they can't be raped?


"MY plan"? [:D]

You are such an idiot

There were separate women's lockers and showers and restrooms long before I ever came along



Right. You have no plan. What was I thinking.




Musicmystery -> RE: Milo Uninvited (2/24/2017 12:31:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: GaryWilcox

No one in Washington seems to be able to grasp the basics of being a transgendered person and what it actually means for themselves and others to be intolerant.

Imagine a person, born a boy, who discovers they are more themselves as a girl. That person walks into the Ladies' restroom.
Do they whip out a penis and pee against a wall? No. They use a stall.

Imagine a person, born a girl, who discovers they are more themselves as a boy. That person walks into a Men's restroom.
Do they try to pee in the urinal-- a literal pissing contest, with people born male? No. They use a stall.

All laws against transgenders do is make it so that the person born a boy has to walk into the boy's room wearing girl clothes, and the person born a boy has to walk into a the girl's room dressed as a boy, and the rest of us have to deal with that and make them feel even more uncomfortable than they already feel.


Where was your pussy hat when Obama removed the protections for women, threw their safe space doors wide open to any and every rapist who wanted waltz on in

Oh, right - actual women (and therefore women's rights) don't exist in your world. Anyone can be any sex at any time just by saying the words

No biological science allowed, feelings are all that count

Where did you even get all that straw.




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