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LadyPact -> RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back (2/26/2017 2:54:23 PM)
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As part of the friendlier conversation regarding bathrooms in private homes in the USA. [;)]
Additional bathrooms in single family homes came about at first as a luxury and then more common later on. My father's house is a three bedroom one bath, the same as most of the houses built in the time period. On the other hand, MP and I have never lived in a house that's only had one bathroom the whole time we've been married. Our house is a four bedroom, three and half bath home. (Three level.) Two full bathrooms upstairs, (master and guest) a half bath on the main floor, and a full bathroom and bedroom on what's basically the dungeon floor. We don't do the 'separate bathroom' thing, though I could see that happening *if* there weren't two separate sinks in the master bathroom. I completely admit to being one of those women who have their 'crap' (cosmetics, hair care products, etc) all over her half of the sink. One sink wouldn't work for us.
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Again, what we were discussing was Obama's directive and the Democrat party platform, allowing anyone to go into any bathroom or shower etc, at any time.
That might be what you *think* it is. I happen to disagree.
The link you provided is very specific to the Department of Education and it's not about allowing anyone or everyone to use any facility that they want. You're completely skipping the part about how it's for transgendered students and not those who identify as the gender they were born. Your link is also very specific as to why.
When it comes to students in particular, there's a really important catch 22. SRS/GRS (aka sexual reassignment surgery/gender reassignment, aka 'bottom surgery') can't be performed in most states to anybody who is under the age of 18. Which just so happens to be what some states (not all) require to change a person's gender on their birth certificate. (North Carolina happens to be one of those states.) In other words, a person can't be in the process of transitionING, but must rather have completed transition, something students can't possibly do. A high majority of transgendered persons/students attending public schools are kind of in a holding pattern, where the best they are able to do for their medical treatment, if they have the medical insurance to cover it, are hormone blockers.
Now, even if you don't agree with that, there's something else you have to consider about why this directive was a better idea for the Department of Education. Lawsuits. Because transgendered students were having their right to an education interfered with, (based on the fact of not being able to use the bathroom of the gender they identified as) they were suing their school districts and they were winning. Those federal funds that were going to the schools (yes, plus property taxes locally and so on) were getting spent on legal fees and court costs. No matter which side of this thing you're on, can we at least agree that the money that should be going for education would be better spent paying teacher's salaries, buying books, and the stuff that actually educates children?
It's really not 'we give transgendered persons safety in exchange for the safety of cis-gendered women'. There have been two terms used on this thread about people who have actually been assaulted and those are 'claiming' and 'masquerading' as transperson in order to access a bathroom to do harm. This would be like me putting on a buruka, holding up a liquor store, and people counting that as a fault of anybody else besides me, the person who actually did it. If somebody is really going to sexually assault someone in a premeditated sense, how much to people really think that, 'gee, it's against the law for me to enter that restroom' is really that much of a deterrent? Did it ever stop any of the cis-gendered men who entered a restroom for the purpose of sexually assaulting someone?
ETA - The last case that I heard of about a person violating the consent (not rape) of people in a restroom did happen to be in one of the kink communities in North Carolina. He happens to be a cis-gendered male submissive. One of his methods was to corner women in the bathroom and touch them on their breasts and so forth. He did it outside of bathrooms, too, so it wasn't his only way of violating people's consent. Over a dozen women came forward by the time he was semi-banned from community events. The last post that I saw about it was that he was being welcomed at events that hadn't investigated the incidents.
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