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Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/27/2017 9:12:15 PM

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“When she leaves, I wonder if it will be the last time I see her,” Sanchez, 26, said on a recent evening. As President Trump moves to turn the full force of the federal government toward deporting undocumented immigrants, a newfound fear of the future has already cast a pall over the tomato farms and strawberry fields in the largely undocumented migrant communities east of Tampa.

There were crackdowns under President Obama, as well, but local activist Norma Rosalez said people generally trusted him to target only criminals and potential terrorists. Obama also offered protection to “dreamers” undocumented immigrants who were brought to the country at a young ageHERE but teenagers were now afraid to apply to the program, Rosalez said, over fears that an application would lead an immigration officer straight to their door.

The changed environment made many wonder what would happen to the north this spring and summer, when workers normally move on to Georgia to pick peaches or to Michigan to pick peppers. Many thought they would now stay put. It was safer that way.

“We look at it like this: The country can either import its workforce or import its food,” said Dale Moore, executive director of policy for the Farm Bureau, which lobbies for easing restrictions to get foreign workers for agriculture. “We've been fighting for this for years, but immigration has a different flavor with Donald Trump,” Moore said.

Growers here rejected Trump’s notion that farmworkers were competing with American workers, and hoped he would see more nuance to the issue. “You can actually make a good living $15, $20 an hour if you’re good at this but the truth is Americans don’t want to do this work,” said one prominent Florida farmer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he feared Trump’s administration would target him for speaking out.

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/27/2017 9:17:41 PM

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“When she leaves, I wonder if it will be the last time I see her,” Sanchez, 26, said on a recent evening. As President Trump moves to turn the full force of the federal government toward deporting undocumented immigrants, a newfound fear of the future has already cast a pall over the tomato farms and strawberry fields in the largely undocumented migrant communities east of Tampa.

There were crackdowns under President Obama, as well, but local activist Norma Rosalez said people generally trusted him to target only criminals and potential terrorists. Obama also offered protection to “dreamers” undocumented immigrants who were brought to the country at a young ageHERE but teenagers were now afraid to apply to the program, Rosalez said, over fears that an application would lead an immigration officer straight to their door.

The changed environment made many wonder what would happen to the north this spring and summer, when workers normally move on to Georgia to pick peaches or to Michigan to pick peppers. Many thought they would now stay put. It was safer that way.

“We look at it like this: The country can either import its workforce or import its food,” said Dale Moore, executive director of policy for the Farm Bureau, which lobbies for easing restrictions to get foreign workers for agriculture. “We've been fighting for this for years, but immigration has a different flavor with Donald Trump,” Moore said.

Growers here rejected Trump’s notion that farmworkers were competing with American workers, and hoped he would see more nuance to the issue. “You can actually make a good living $15, $20 an hour if you’re good at this but the truth is Americans don’t want to do this work,” said one prominent Florida farmer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he feared Trump’s administration would target him for speaking out.

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Maybe people getting free welfare should learn agriculture.

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/27/2017 9:23:08 PM

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Yay slave labor

Yay racist leftists...

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/27/2017 9:32:54 PM

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“We look at it like this: The country can either import its workforce or import its food,” said Dale Moore, executive director of policy for the Farm Bureau, which lobbies for easing restrictions to get foreign workers for agriculture.

I agree. I think it's important to this country to continue the policies on illegal immigration that make it possible for corporate farms to continue to pay sub-minimum wages, effectively maintaining a "slave class".

Good Lord knows, the leftists have been supporters of slavery (in one form or another) since there was a Democratic party in this country. So ... protect Birdseye! Down with Xenophobia and up with continuing a serf class!

Michael

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/27/2017 9:49:07 PM

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What is wrong with bringing in LEGAL workers, per a quota system as needed. People who are vetted. As in, screen out the junkies and the gang bangers and those with a criminal history

You know, according to the laws we have in place, that the Democrats voted for

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/27/2017 10:02:54 PM

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FR

What is wrong with bringing in LEGAL workers, per a quota system as needed. People who are vetted. As in, screen out the junkies and the gang bangers and those with a criminal history

You know, according to the laws we have in place, that the Democrats voted for

Department of Labor

Hey, whats wrong with this as an alternative to welfare?

Not to mention that there was a program in the 40's-60's that brought legal immigrants in to do farm harvests.

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/27/2017 10:26:53 PM

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and just how do you think that you are going to get wall street, the banking industry, boeing, GM and the airlines to go along with that when its their turn to collect welfare?

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/27/2017 11:33:07 PM

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“When she leaves, I wonder if it will be the last time I see her,” Sanchez, 26, said on a recent evening. As President Trump moves to turn the full force of the federal government toward deporting undocumented immigrants, a newfound fear of the future has already cast a pall over the tomato farms and strawberry fields in the largely undocumented migrant communities east of Tampa.

There were crackdowns under President Obama, as well, but local activist Norma Rosalez said people generally trusted him to target only criminals and potential terrorists. Obama also offered protection to “dreamers” undocumented immigrants who were brought to the country at a young ageHERE but teenagers were now afraid to apply to the program, Rosalez said, over fears that an application would lead an immigration officer straight to their door.

The changed environment made many wonder what would happen to the north this spring and summer, when workers normally move on to Georgia to pick peaches or to Michigan to pick peppers. Many thought they would now stay put. It was safer that way.

“We look at it like this: The country can either import its workforce or import its food,” said Dale Moore, executive director of policy for the Farm Bureau, which lobbies for easing restrictions to get foreign workers for agriculture. “We've been fighting for this for years, but immigration has a different flavor with Donald Trump,” Moore said.

Growers here rejected Trump’s notion that farmworkers were competing with American workers, and hoped he would see more nuance to the issue. “You can actually make a good living $15, $20 an hour if you’re good at this but the truth is Americans don’t want to do this work,” said one prominent Florida farmer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he feared Trump’s administration would target him for speaking out.

HERE

Maybe people getting free welfare should learn agriculture.

Where did welfare come up ?

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/27/2017 11:46:56 PM

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“We look at it like this: The country can either import its workforce or import its food,” said Dale Moore, executive director of policy for the Farm Bureau, which lobbies for easing restrictions to get foreign workers for agriculture.

I agree. I think it's important to this country to continue the policies on illegal immigration that make it possible for corporate farms to continue to pay sub-minimum wages, effectively maintaining a "slave class".

Good Lord knows, the leftists have been supporters of slavery (in one form or another) since there was a Democratic party in this country. So ... protect Birdseye! Down with Xenophobia and up with continuing a serf class!

Michael

Sorry man. The dems and repubs switched roles about the 1930's. The repubs were the progressives until then and the dems were Dixiecrats.

Now however their roles have switched. The repubs love the cheap labor for big ag. as exemplified buy the success of their lobbies. The small farmer...not so much. Let [him] take the hit for the illegals and never mind that they have no buyers without big ag.

So you see let's say the farms do raise wages, cut down on the illegals, then big ag does go overseas for those products like fresh fruits and veg.

In fact in many cases as we type,. big ag. does go right to S. America as thanx to a very good indoctrination over the 20th cent. by their US supported autocrats...have kept wages even lower than the US and do import much of our food.

The immigration policies of the US and the problems are the same as ALL issues...all about money. If the small farmers can keep the wages down and even if it takes 1000's of illegals and take the immigration hit...fine. If not...fuck 'em...we'll just go straight down south and get the produce where the wages are always kept low.

Big ag. will get their produce picked by somebody with the lowest costs [wages]...one way or the other.

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 12:21:22 AM

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FR

What is wrong with bringing in LEGAL workers, per a quota system as needed. People who are vetted. As in, screen out the junkies and the gang bangers and those with a criminal history

You know, according to the laws we have in place, that the Democrats voted for

There is nothing wrong except there simply isn't enough of them.

In 2006, 77 percent of all agricultural workers in the United States were foreign-born. (And half of those foreign workers were undocumented immigrants.) All that cheap labor has helped keep down U.S. food prices, particularly for labor-intensive fruits and vegetables. But that labor pool is now drying up.

HERE

Most recent numbers I can find.

Migrant seasonal farm workers number about 4.7 million and that was 1990.

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Yes, the dems voted for the Fair Labor Standards Act written by Sen. Hugo Black D Alabama

and the FLSA amendments almost all of which over repub resistance including Sec. of Labor Eliz. Dole, some vetoes by GHWBush with repubs voting against overrides.

1961 min. wage
1966 raise in min wage
1974
and every amend. since with repub resistance. form 1974 to 2016.

Gee, I wonder why the repubs were against all these FLSA amend. ? You think it had to with...money, i.e., profits ? OH and BTW, supported the exemption of farm workers from the FLSA. Wasn't that precious ? After all, why would farm workers need federal protection of fair labor standards ?

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 2:56:59 AM

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I can’t actually eat tomatoes, strawberries it’s the texture and bitter taste, peaces(no idea what that is)...peppers - well the red bell peppers and sweet red ones I can eat. And I think we can actually grow strawberries here - I remember me and one particular rapscallion who was my friend 30 years ago decided we do fruit picking not far from where he stayed. And long story short we got chucked out in the first 15 minutes for having a fruit fight/wrestle/jam it all over the others faces and hair etc…no loot was earned, alas. And we didn’t get deported either…well off their land we did at the hurryup

I have no real comment to add to this one.
America vetting system is fine….heh cant wait to see the new exec order that should be a laugh.

You will actually find Obama deportation record second to none.

Ah the cotton plantations and poppy fields

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 3:42:27 AM

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Maybe people getting free welfare should learn agriculture.

While we learn by your every post of your stupidity

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 6:39:27 AM

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“We look at it like this: The country can either import its workforce or import its food,” said Dale Moore, executive director of policy for the Farm Bureau, which lobbies for easing restrictions to get foreign workers for agriculture.

I agree. I think it's important to this country to continue the policies on illegal immigration that make it possible for corporate farms to continue to pay sub-minimum wages, effectively maintaining a "slave class".

Good Lord knows, the leftists have been supporters of slavery (in one form or another) since there was a Democratic party in this country. So ... protect Birdseye! Down with Xenophobia and up with continuing a serf class!

Michael

Showing once again that you're completely clueless about "leftist" issues and platforms.

Not just warm climate produce, btw. Northern dairy operations rely heavily on migrant workers as well. How they are treated, what they earn, whether they are legal, as well as the struggles of family farms to survive in a price controlled market are continuing battles on the labor rights front.

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 6:50:05 AM

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I agree. I think it's important to this country to continue the policies on illegal immigration that make it possible for corporate farms to continue to pay sub-minimum wages, effectively maintaining a "slave class".

Good Lord knows, the leftists have been supporters of slavery (in one form or another) since there was a Democratic party in this country. So ... protect Birdseye! Down with Xenophobia and up with continuing a serf class!

Michael

Sorry man. The dems and repubs switched roles about the 1930's. The repubs were the progressives until then and the dems were Dixiecrats.

Sorry, man. I've been told the same thing about slavery and civil rights since I was knee-high to a grass hopper and it's bullshit.

Unless it was a Democratic president and congress that fought the civil war and a Democratic congress that dragged a racist Democratic president, kicking and screaming, to the CRA?

Michael

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 7:09:58 AM

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and what have the nutsuckers done in say the last 50 years, something big within our lifetimes? Other than purging the voter rolls of black folk, I mean?

Why arent we imprisoning corporations that employ them and selling them out and putting that money in our treasury?

Nutsuckers were dragged into the CRA. I was alive, and paying attention, while you were probably like today still shitting your pants, still factless and performing acts of stolen valor.

This is pretty accurate, and some of the democrats who voted against headed for the republicans..........because guess why?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 7:50:39 AM

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I agree. I think it's important to this country to continue the policies on illegal immigration that make it possible for corporate farms to continue to pay sub-minimum wages, effectively maintaining a "slave class".

Good Lord knows, the leftists have been supporters of slavery (in one form or another) since there was a Democratic party in this country. So ... protect Birdseye! Down with Xenophobia and up with continuing a serf class!

Michael

Sorry man. The dems and repubs switched roles about the 1930's. The repubs were the progressives until then and the dems were Dixiecrats.

Sorry, man. I've been told the same thing about slavery and civil rights since I was knee-high to a grass hopper and it's bullshit.

Unless it was a Democratic president and congress that fought the civil war and a Democratic congress that dragged a racist Democratic president, kicking and screaming, to the CRA?

Michael

.....and you not only refer to a time when the repubs were the progressives and at the time of the CRA a lot of the dems left the party and became repub.

Plus what you bring up about the civil war and policy, is ancient history. The repubs now are only interested in power and their corp. constituency.

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 8:04:55 AM

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And the slave freers were radical republicans, not the nutsucker party of today who will have nothing to do with them and throw them under the bus constantly.

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 10:24:59 AM

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There is nothing wrong except there simply isn't enough of them.

There isnt enough of them because the program that had been established to allow LEGAL migrant workers into the states was killed in the 60's by a democrat president.

It was called the Bracero program and was shitcanned in 64 by Johnson because the Mexican government never turned over the savings accounts established in Mexico for the workers as part of the program to the workers.

There is no reason why the program could not be reinstated and the US state department administer the accounts in Mexican banks to make sure the workers got their money as they were supposed to.

As for where welfare comes into the picture, well gee, there are a shit ton of people on various welfare programs that CAN work and DONT work, or dont work in any job where the income can be legally admitted to.

Look, the office that handles my medicare due to being disabled is in the same building as the food stamp office.

You pass the office and see people either applying for or on food stamps with the latest smart phone, tablet or what have you, the parking lot is full of late model cars and pick ups, and you have to ask yourself, "If they are on foodstamps cause they cant afford food, how the fuck can they afford a $500 smart phone and a new fucking car?"

And the only reason I deal with the state for Medicare is by some reason, I get my medicare premiums paid by the state. Dont qualify for anything else, but then I dont really worry about that.

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 11:57:00 AM

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"It was called the Bracero program and was shitcanned in 64 by Johnson because the Mexican government never turned over the savings accounts established in Mexico for the workers as part of the program to the workers. "

Why should they ? The US government seems to think it has the right to get into everyone's business. If I were Mexican I would support this action.

Pick your own fucking tomatoes gringo ! You should have picked your own cotton.

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RE: Do you like tomatoes, strawberries, peaces...peppers ? - 2/28/2017 12:01:55 PM

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"You pass the office and see people either applying for or on food stamps with the latest smart phone, tablet or what have you, the parking lot is full of late model cars and pick ups, and you have to ask yourself, "If they are on foodstamps cause they cant afford food, how the fuck can they afford a $500 smart phone and a new fucking car?" "

Shit like that is why we got guns.

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