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FFS - 3/4/2017 9:25:29 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		There is nothing more dangerous than a cornered and wounded animal.

As the world closes in on President Donald Trump with a Russian investigation that is billowing so much smoke that the likelihood of some sort of fire seems highly likely, an increasingly isolated and temperamentally ill-prepared presidency could descend into a level of paranoia-fueled chaos the likes of which we have never seen as a nation.

This morning, in a series of Tweets, Mr. Trump accused President Obama of McCarthyism and a Nixon/Watergate conspiracy. He called his predecessor a "Bad (or sick) guy!" Let that sink in for a moment. The President of the United States on an early Saturday morning is attacking the previous President of the United States in a level of demeaning condescension that has no parallel in recent American history. And then he tries to link Mr. Obama to two of the lowest points of America's post-World War II history? When it is his administration that is swirling around the storm drain of scandal?

The impetus for these accusations, for which Mr. Trump predictably provided no proof or authentication, was a claim that "Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower just before the victory." Many sources quoted on this topic in the press say these assertions are unlikely. The source for Mr. Trump may very well have been the alt-right Breitbart site, which had an article making these claims. Or maybe it is a sign that a law-enforcement investigation was at a level higher than we even know.

Whatever the reason, this just proves once again that the only way to settle this is an independent and open special investigation.

We also need a real national discussion about whether this kind of behavior is befitting a President. Are Mr. Trump's Republican allies comfortable with these kinds of accusations against a former President? And where is the proof? What is the truth? We all have a right to know.

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 9:27:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

There is nothing more dangerous than a cornered and wounded animal.

As the world closes in on President Donald Trump with a Russian investigation that is billowing so much smoke that the likelihood of some sort of fire seems highly likely, an increasingly isolated and temperamentally ill-prepared presidency could descend into a level of paranoia-fueled chaos the likes of which we have never seen as a nation.

This morning, in a series of Tweets, Mr. Trump accused President Obama of McCarthyism and a Nixon/Watergate conspiracy. He called his predecessor a "Bad (or sick) guy!" Let that sink in for a moment. The President of the United States on an early Saturday morning is attacking the previous President of the United States in a level of demeaning condescension that has no parallel in recent American history. And then he tries to link Mr. Obama to two of the lowest points of America's post-World War II history? When it is his administration that is swirling around the storm drain of scandal?

The impetus for these accusations, for which Mr. Trump predictably provided no proof or authentication, was a claim that "Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower just before the victory." Many sources quoted on this topic in the press say these assertions are unlikely. The source for Mr. Trump may very well have been the alt-right Breitbart site, which had an article making these claims. Or maybe it is a sign that a law-enforcement investigation was at a level higher than we even know.

Whatever the reason, this just proves once again that the only way to settle this is an independent and open special investigation.

We also need a real national discussion about whether this kind of behavior is befitting a President. Are Mr. Trump's Republican allies comfortable with these kinds of accusations against a former President? And where is the proof? What is the truth? We all have a right to know.

https://www.facebook.com/newsandguts/posts/219631091775200


Thee is already a thread on this, idiot - and even though the other was started by a loon like you, he at least provided a source far better than your imbecilic Fakebook stupidity

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 9:27:59 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		President Trump on Saturday angrily accused former president Barack Obama of orchestrating a “Nixon/Watergate” plot to tap the phones at his Trump Tower headquarters last fall in the run-up to the election.

Citing no evidence to support his explosive allegation, Trump said in a series of five tweets sent Saturday morning that Obama was “wire tapping” his New York offices before the election in a move he compared to McCarthyism. “Bad (or sick) guy!” he said of his predecessor, adding that the surveillance resulted in “nothing found.”

Trump offered no citations nor did he point to any credible news report to back up his accusation, but he may have been referring to commentary on Breitbart and conservative talk radio suggesting that Obama and his administration used “police state” tactics last fall to monitor the Trump team. The Breitbart story, published Friday, has been circulating among Trump's senior staff, according to a White House official who described it as a useful catalogue of the Obama administration's activities.

A spokesman for Obama did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

Trump has been feuding with the intelligence community since before he took office, convinced that career officers as well as holdovers from the Obama administration have been trying to sabotage his presidency. He has ordered internal inquiries to find who leaked sensitive information regarding communications during the campaign between Russian officials and his campaign associates and allies, including Attorney General Jeff Sessions and ousted national security adviser Michael Flynn.

[Despite early denials, growing list of Trump camp contacts with Russians haunts White House]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03/04/trump-accuses-obama-of-nixonwatergate-plot-to-wire-tap-trump-tower/?utm_term=.9586e4e6f7b8

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 9:35:03 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Mr. Trump’s decision to lend the power of his office to such a claim — without offering any proof — was remarkable, even for a leader who has repeatedly shown himself willing to make assertions that are false or based on rumors.

It would have been difficult for federal agents, working within the law, to obtain a wiretap order to target Mr. Trump’s phone conversations. It would have meant that the Justice Department had gathered sufficient evidence to persuade a federal judge that there was probable cause to believe he had committed a serious crime or was an agent of a foreign power, depending on whether it was a criminal investigation or a foreign intelligence one.

Ben Rhodes, a former top national security aide to Mr. Obama, said in a Twitter message directed at Mr. Trump on Saturday that “no president can order a wiretap” and added, “Those restrictions were put in place to protect citizens from people like you.”

It has been widely reported that there is a federal investigation, which began during the 2016 presidential campaign, into links between Trump associates and the Russians.

The New York Times reported in January that among the associates whose links to Russia are being scrutinized are Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s onetime campaign chairman; Carter Page, a businessman and foreign policy adviser to the campaign; and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative who has said he was in touch with WikiLeaks before it released a trove of Democratic National Committee emails last summer.

Mr. Trump’s mood was said to be explosive before he departed for his weekend in Florida, with an episode in which he vented at his staff. The president’s ire was trained in particular on Donald F. McGahn, his White House counsel, according to two people briefed on the matter.

Mr. Trump was said to be frustrated about the decision by Jeff Sessions, his attorney general, to recuse himself from participating in any investigations of connections between the Trump campaign and Russia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 9:39:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Apparently this whole "Facebook" thing is new to you, so let me explain something. Facebook does not have a news team or reporters, it is simply a news feed posted onto it's site from other sites. So whether or not something is fed onto a Facebook page has no impact on it's validity, unless you also agree that the Fox, Brietbart and other conservative feeds posted onto Facebook are also imbecilic. So what it is, are you confused, ignorant or a hypocrite?

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 9:41:23 AM   
BoscoX


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The Washington Post Takes Anti-Trump Bias To A New Level

New York Times apologizes for blatant ant-Trump bias, hysterical meltdown



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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 9:43:40 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		And yet, still you can't muster a defense of Trump.

Just ridicule and attacks, but no defending the indefensible. You may as well acknowledge you agree. You just don't want to.

Alt facts and all that.

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 9:48:45 AM   
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FBI ‘Granted FISA Warrant’ Covering Trump Camp’s Ties To Russia

November 7, 2016

Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community have confirmed to Heat Street that the FBI sought, and was granted, a FISA court warrant in October, giving counter-intelligence permission to examine the activities of ‘U.S. persons’ in Donald Trump’s campaign with ties to Russia.

K.

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 9:50:03 AM   
dcnovice


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Twenty-fifth amendment time?

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 9:50:12 AM   
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Nutsuckers post the wrong links, and hallucinate about ants, in hysterical, pantshitting, fake news meltdown




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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 9:52:27 AM   
BoscoX


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And yet, still you can't muster a defense of Trump.

Just ridicule and attacks, but no defending the indefensible. You may as well acknowledge you agree. You just don't want to.

Alt facts and all that.


The president doesn't need me to defend him against your hysteria

Obama never thought that Trump would get his hands on the record

Well, President Trump has got his hands on the records

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 9:53:29 AM   
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FBI ‘Granted FISA Warrant’ Covering Trump Camp’s Ties To Russia

November 7, 2016

Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community have confirmed to Heat Street that the FBI sought, and was granted, a FISA court warrant in October, giving counter-intelligence permission to examine the activities of ‘U.S. persons’ in Donald Trump’s campaign with ties to Russia.

K.


If they were doing more investigation on the Russia connection, it would be a good thing.
Unfortunately, it is impossible for a president to order this.

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 9:55:33 AM   
BoscoX


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It would be great if you hysterical idiots would stop creating multiple threads for every topic




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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 9:57:20 AM   
Musicmystery


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Twenty-fifth amendment time?

The GOP will need to find a spine first.

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 10:02:25 AM   
BoscoX


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Twenty-fifth amendment time?

The GOP will need to find a spine first.


They're growing that spine and it's Obama and his deep state who are a target of any serious investigation

Your Russia hysteria is baseless stupidity, there is no evidence anywhere that anyone associated with the president ever met with any Russian about the campaign

Just your hysteria

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 10:02:32 AM   
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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 10:12:58 AM   
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http://www.snopes.com/2017/03/04/trump-accuses-obama-of-tapping-phones/

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 10:15:58 AM   
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http://www.snopes.com/2017/03/04/trump-accuses-obama-of-tapping-phones/


Unethical Website Of The Month: Bye-Bye Snopes - You're Dead To Me

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 10:16:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		"The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.

"It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy."

(from dc's Snopes link)

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RE: FFS - 3/4/2017 10:16:26 AM   
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http://www.snopes.com/2017/03/04/trump-accuses-obama-of-tapping-phones/


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“It’s highly unlikely there was a wiretap,” said one former senior intelligence official familiar with surveillance law who spoke candidly on the condition of anonymity. The former official continued: “It seems unthinkable. If that were the case by some chance, that means that a federal judge would have found that there was either probable cause that he had committed a crime or was an agent of a foreign power.”


Sounds about right.

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