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Cite me one study that honestly represents the hours, education, work experience, the type of work etc in their so called facts.

I have just cited you a book that is essential and elementary reading for anyone who wishes to educate themselves about gender issues.

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So read the cited work and then get back to me.

No it's a book that spouts propaganda from closeted neo-liberals. Living in the real world would help understand the issues. But, it would have to be done with a truly open mind, which I doubt is practicle[sic] for someone with a garbage PhDs in woman's studies or sociology.

And you know this how Mr Super Intellectual? Have you read the book? Do you know who the author is? Are you familiar with the subject matter? The answers to all the questions is a resounding NO. Yet you have just arrogantly dismissed a complete book on biology by a specialist in the subject without either reading it or knowing what it is about. And you have the nerve to criticise others as lacking "a truly open mind" ......!

FYI "Neo-liberalism" is an economic philosophy that promotes free markets and free trade. Describing a book about biology as "propaganda from closeted neo-liberals" tells us you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. And learn to use a spell check. It will help hide the rampant ignorance that permeates your posts.

Another celebration of ignorance and anti-intellectual bigotry by one of our resident looney RWNJs ....

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

Cite me one study that honestly represents the hours, education, work experience, the type of work etc in their so called facts.

I have just cited you a book that is essential and elementary reading for anyone who wishes to educate themselves about gender issues.

I'll be happy to cite you heaps more after you have read that book. If you decline to read the cited book, there's not much point in citing further readings for your education is there? Coming from your base of knowledge about gender, which is pretty close to zero, it would be remiss of me to help you attempt to walk before you have mastered crawling.

So read the cited work and then get back to me.

No it's a book that spouts propaganda from closeted neo-liberals. Living in the real world would help understand the issues. But, it would have to be done with a truly open mind, which I doubt is practicle for someone with a garbage PhDs in woman's studies or sociology.

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I don't believe tamaka's boast either. Though it's possible she bought the 'degrees' on the Net for $10 each.

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I don't believe tamaka's boast either. Though it's possible she bought the 'degrees' on the Net for $10 each.

Tardsocka probably got those "degrees" from Trump University.

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Yes i did... i have 3 degrees and a gpa of 3.8

Interesting. In contrast, though I've never been to college, I do have the real world experience of having fought in three world wars.

I don't believe tamaka's boast either. Though it's possible she bought the 'degrees' on the Net for $10 each.

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No it's a book that spouts propaganda from closeted neo-liberals. Living in the real world would help understand the issues. But, it would have to be done with a truly open mind, which I doubt is practicle for someone with a garbage PhDs in woman's studies or sociology.

It's staggering - so many prejudices compressed into just three lines. Also fascinating, this belief that the less you've learned, the more you know.

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Cite me one study that honestly represents the hours, education, work experience, the type of work etc in their so called facts.

I have just cited you a book that is essential and elementary reading for anyone who wishes to educate themselves about gender issues.

[sip]
So read the cited work and then get back to me.

No it's a book that spouts propaganda from closeted neo-liberals. Living in the real world would help understand the issues. But, it would have to be done with a truly open mind, which I doubt is practicle[sic] for someone with a garbage PhDs in woman's studies or sociology.

And you know this how Mr Super Intellectual? Have you read the book? Do you know who the author is? Are you familiar with the subject matter? The answers to all the questions is a resounding NO. Yet you have just arrogantly dismissed a complete book on biology by a specialist in the subject without either reading it or knowing what it is about. And you have the nerve to criticise others as lacking "a truly open mind" ......!

FYI "Neo-liberalism" is an economic philosophy that promotes free markets and free trade. Describing a book about biology as "propaganda from closeted neo-liberals" tells us you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. And learn to use a spell check. It will help hide the rampant ignorance that permeates your posts.

Another celebration of ignorance and anti-intellectual bigotry by one of our resident looney RWNJs ....

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There are better books about women, their bodies, their health, and so forth. I have read them.

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There are better books about women, their bodies, their health, and so forth. I have read them.

There certainly are better books around. But the topic under discussion was not women's bodies, health etc but biological gender determinism and sexual stereotyping. But at the time, I was trying to get people like RM and tamaka, neither of whom is ever likely to win a Nobel Prize, to understand that they were repeating myths that were disproven decades ago . Fausto-Sterling's book was written with precisely that aim in mind, and is easily accessed by a general reader, which is not always the case. So in this instance it is suitable.

OTOH, some of the works you mention such as Londa Schiebinger's work are way over Rm's or tamaka's pay grade. It would be pointless recommending such works to people like rm or tamaka. Even in the highly unlikely event that they could be bothered reading them, such texts would go straight over their heads.

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No it's a book that spouts propaganda from closeted neo-liberals. Living in the real world would help understand the issues. But, it would have to be done with a truly open mind, which I doubt is practicle for someone with a garbage PhDs in woman's studies or sociology.

It's staggering - so many prejudices compressed into just three lines. Also fascinating, this belief that the less you've learned, the more you know.

Hum, it's interesting to see your prejudged take on my emotional disposition. I'm not sure where you got the whole less you've learned thing. Obviously pulled it out of your ear. I have a graduate degree, I've also experienced the real world. I've also see the quality and results of an education in women's studies. I'm qualified to judge...not prejudge...on all three account. Are you? Also, I find it to be liberal BS to proscribe prejudgment. I find it helpful frequently. I prejudge what routes to take to the store given the time of day. I prejudge what clothes would be appropriate. I prejudge very many useful things. I wonder why you don't as well? Do you wonder through life totally absorbed in not making any prejudgments about how to manage your life?

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No it's a book that spouts propaganda from closeted neo-liberals. Living in the real world would help understand the issues. But, it would have to be done with a truly open mind, which I doubt is practicle for someone with a garbage PhDs in woman's studies or sociology.

It's staggering - so many prejudices compressed into just three lines. Also fascinating, this belief that the less you've learned, the more you know.

Hum, it's interesting to see your prejudged take on my emotional disposition. I'm not sure where you got the whole less you've learned thing. Obviously pulled it out of your ear. I have a graduate degree, I've also experienced the real world. I've also see the quality and results of an education in women's studies. I'm qualified to judge...not prejudge...on all three account. Are you? Also, I find it to be liberal BS to proscribe prejudgment. I find it helpful frequently. I prejudge what routes to take to the store given the time of day. I prejudge what clothes would be appropriate. I prejudge very many useful things. I wonder why you don't as well? Do you wonder through life totally absorbed in not making any prejudgments about how to manage your life?

You Sir are a moron.

No one who describes a book about biology and gender as "propaganda from closeted neo-liberals" is qualified to make judgements in this area. People who describe books about biology and gender as "propaganda from closeted neo-liberals" simply don't know what they are talking about.

Neo-liberalism is an economic philosophy and 'neo-liberal' describes a certain right wing free market economic position. It has no connection to gender and/or biology whatsoever. Nada. Niente. Rien. No one with even the most elementary familiarity with the subject matter would use language like that - because language like that is a certain indicator that the person talking doesn't know what they are talking about.

Your own words prove your ignorance is only matched by your arrogance and bigotry.

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the myth of biological gender determinism

Evidence on the Biological Basis of Gender Identity

According to a review article in Endocrine Practice, there is increasing evidence of a biological basis for gender identity . . . “This paper represents the first comprehensive review of the scientific evidence that gender identity is a biological phenomenon,” explains corresponding author Joshua D. Safer, MD, FACP.

K.

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Evidence on the Biological Basis of Gender Identity

According to a review article in Endocrine Practice, there is increasing evidence of a biological basis for gender identity . . . “This paper represents the first comprehensive review of the scientific evidence that gender identity is a biological phenomenon,” explains corresponding author Joshua D. Safer, MD, FACP.

let me make it very clear: there is no basis for claims of biological gender determination. For such a claim to be sustainable it requires that you believe humans are capable of analysing human behaviour perfectly.

Anybody who starts a paragraph with a claim like that, and then defends it by invoking the impossibility of analyzing human behavior perfectly, should not be encouraged to harm herself further.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Evidence on the Biological Basis of Gender Identity

According to a review article in Endocrine Practice, there is increasing evidence of a biological basis for gender identity . . . “This paper represents the first comprehensive review of the scientific evidence that gender identity is a biological phenomenon,” explains corresponding author Joshua D. Safer, MD, FACP.

let me make it very clear: there is no basis for claims of biological gender determination. For such a claim to be sustainable it requires that you believe humans are capable of analysing human behaviour perfectly.

Anybody who starts a paragraph with a claim like that, and then defends it by invoking the impossibility of analyzing human behavior perfectly, should not be encouraged to harm herself further.

K.

No basis for biological gender determination. So no "gender gene"? So people cannot be born transgendered? Gender is all nurture and no nature?

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Evidence on the Biological Basis of Gender Identity

According to a review article in Endocrine Practice, there is increasing evidence of a biological basis for gender identity . . . “This paper represents the first comprehensive review of the scientific evidence that gender identity is a biological phenomenon,” explains corresponding author Joshua D. Safer, MD, FACP.

let me make it very clear: there is no basis for claims of biological gender determination. For such a claim to be sustainable it requires that you believe humans are capable of analysing human behaviour perfectly.

Anybody who starts a paragraph with a claim like that, and then defends it by invoking the impossibility of analyzing human behavior perfectly, should not be encouraged to harm herself further.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Evidence on the Biological Basis of Gender Identity

According to a review article in Endocrine Practice, there is increasing evidence of a biological basis for gender identity . . . “This paper represents the first comprehensive review of the scientific evidence that gender identity is a biological phenomenon,” explains corresponding author Joshua D. Safer, MD, FACP.

let me make it very clear: there is no basis for claims of biological gender determination. For such a claim to be sustainable it requires that you believe humans are capable of analysing human behaviour perfectly.

Anybody who starts a paragraph with a claim like that, and then defends it by invoking the impossibility of analyzing human behavior perfectly, should not be encouraged to harm herself further.

K.

No basis for biological gender determination. So no "gender gene"? So people cannot be born transgendered? Gender is all nurture and no nature?