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mnottertail -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 12:44:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
What a small twisted mind.


She is ironically saying what you said unironically in order to point out how stupid it is, and she's the one with the small, twisted mind?

So what do you think about the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?
Maybe they're centrists, since they're apparently democrats AND republicans.

LOL you are so stupid for thinking that they are a totalitarian dictatorship.

I posted a quote made by Hitler saying he was a socialist. I guess you don't believe him. My understanding has nothing to do with the name.

Well his little speechs about not having any designs on the Rhineland Zone, or the Sudetenland or Poland or any other country left him about as believable as Il Douchovitch, given the reality. You don't have any understanding. You are a fucking retard with a host of other retarded voices in your head, wilburretard.




tamaka -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 12:46:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Sorry, wilbur, you are the retard in this vignette. Scholarly writing my ass. Pud pounding nutsuckers who ignore facts. The voices in your head make you retarded, as does your felching and syphilitic brain rot.

Which voice in your head uses the nine year old argument tactic of calling other people what they call you? I'm trying to get all of your voices sorted. Do you name the individual voices mental patient? Maybe you can tell me the names?



I think he's an attention whore and this is the strategy he uses to get everyone to focus on him. Just like kids who consistently misbehave in school, people desperate for attention prefer negative attention to none at all.




Nnanji -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 12:49:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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Sorry, wilbur, you are the retard in this vignette. Scholarly writing my ass. Pud pounding nutsuckers who ignore facts. The voices in your head make you retarded, as does your felching and syphilitic brain rot.

Which voice in your head uses the nine year old argument tactic of calling other people what they call you? I'm trying to get all of your voices sorted. Do you name the individual voices mental patient? Maybe you can tell me the names?



I think he's an attention whore and this is the strategy he uses to get everyone to focus on him. Just like kids who consistently misbehave in school, people desperate for attention prefer negative attention to none at all.

Definitely. But he's funny to play with. He really is mentally challenged and his responses are generally predictable. It's fun to make him jump through hoops while he doesn't notice it's happening.




mnottertail -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 1:04:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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Sorry, wilbur, you are the retard in this vignette. Scholarly writing my ass. Pud pounding nutsuckers who ignore facts. The voices in your head make you retarded, as does your felching and syphilitic brain rot.

Which voice in your head uses the nine year old argument tactic of calling other people what they call you? I'm trying to get all of your voices sorted. Do you name the individual voices mental patient? Maybe you can tell me the names?



I think he's an attention whore and this is the strategy he uses to get everyone to focus on him. Just like kids who consistently misbehave in school, people desperate for attention prefer negative attention to none at all.

Ever notice how you retarded and factless nutsuckers gather into a circlefelch at every opportunity and hep us to your wisdom about others when you cant even find a credible fact?




longwayhome -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 1:25:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

only idiots fall right into the fake socialism traps of the NSDAP or the MSI and numerous other

being excluded from proper quality education is only a weak excuse

I'll take your word for it since I don't know who those groups are. I base my opinion on scholarly writing. But, blondie, go ahead and keep making inane points.


You have a small problem here combining your claim of scholarly understanding and making a sexist dismissal of blnymph.

You cannot really claim to have read much that is scholarly about Nazi Germany if you don't know what the NSDAP is (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei - National Socialist German Workers' Party).

Furthermore there are few posters who have demonstrated anything close to blnymph's learned understanding of Nazi Germany. I have read (and checked) much of what she has written and found it to be thoughtful, sophisticated and evidence based.

I have a bit of a scholarly understanding of inter-war German politics but it's not a specialist area of study for me and I frankly couldn't read all of her sources because my German is exceptionally basic.

I wouldn't take her on, simply because she clearly knows more than almost any other poster about Nazi Germany - including, it would appear, you.




BoscoX -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 1:30:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: longwayhome


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

only idiots fall right into the fake socialism traps of the NSDAP or the MSI and numerous other

being excluded from proper quality education is only a weak excuse

I'll take your word for it since I don't know who those groups are. I base my opinion on scholarly writing. But, blondie, go ahead and keep making inane points.


You have a small problem here combining your claim of scholarly understanding and making a sexist dismissal of blnymph.

You cannot really claim to have read much that is scholarly about Nazi Germany if you don't know what the NSDAP is (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei - National Socialist German Workers' Party).

Furthermore there are few posters who have demonstrated anything close to blnymph's learned understanding of Nazi Germany. I have read (and checked) much of what she has written and found it to be thoughtful, sophisticated and evidence based.

I have a bit of a scholarly understanding of inter-war German politics but it's not a specialist area of study for me and I frankly couldn't read all of her sources because my German is exceptionally basic.

I wouldn't take her on, simply because she clearly knows more than almost any other poster about Nazi Germany - including, it would appear, you.


Blondie popularized the term 'Blondie' when she used the term as a smear against the new president, so...




Nnanji -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 1:34:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: longwayhome


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

only idiots fall right into the fake socialism traps of the NSDAP or the MSI and numerous other

being excluded from proper quality education is only a weak excuse

I'll take your word for it since I don't know who those groups are. I base my opinion on scholarly writing. But, blondie, go ahead and keep making inane points.


You have a small problem here combining your claim of scholarly understanding and making a sexist dismissal of blnymph.

You cannot really claim to have read much that is scholarly about Nazi Germany if you don't know what the NSDAP is (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei - National Socialist German Workers' Party).

Furthermore there are few posters who have demonstrated anything close to blnymph's learned understanding of Nazi Germany. I have read (and checked) much of what she has written and found it to be thoughtful, sophisticated and evidence based.

I have a bit of a scholarly understanding of inter-war German politics but it's not a specialist area of study for me and I frankly couldn't read all of her sources because my German is exceptionally basic.

I wouldn't take her on, simply because she clearly knows more than almost any other poster about Nazi Germany - including, it would appear, you.

I didn't challenge any knowledge she has. I challenged her assumption of me. Pretty prejudicial. I also never said I made scholarly study of National Socialism. I said what I knew came from scholarly works not from some group's websit. I think I was clear with what I said and I don't think you understood it at all.




mnottertail -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 1:51:37 PM)

It sure has come from a websit.





blnymph -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 2:10:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

only idiots fall right into the fake socialism traps of the NSDAP or the MSI and numerous other

being excluded from proper quality education is only a weak excuse

I'll take your word for it since I don't know who those groups are. I base my opinion on scholarly writing. But, blondie, go ahead and keep making inane points.



"Scholarly writing" of the kind you disqualify yourself by not even familiar with proper terms, or any explanations what the NSDAP was or how the name was developed... or, next, the Movimento Sociale Italiano ... both of which you are know absolutely nothing about ... because your "scholars" most likely don't know either. (Maybe you tell us about your favourite "scholars" ...?)

Contrary to you I live in an environment, where sources and relics about those times and topics still exist. I deal with some of those things on a daily basis. Und ich kann solche Dinge auch noch lesen, und kenne den Kontext.


Ich habe selten größeren Unsinn gelesen als deinen Mist.





mnottertail -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 2:52:51 PM)

GroBe Unsinn does not even begin to cover it.




Nnanji -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 3:05:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

only idiots fall right into the fake socialism traps of the NSDAP or the MSI and numerous other

being excluded from proper quality education is only a weak excuse

I'll take your word for it since I don't know who those groups are. I base my opinion on scholarly writing. But, blondie, go ahead and keep making inane points.



"Scholarly writing" of the kind you disqualify yourself by not even familiar with proper terms, or any explanations what the NSDAP was or how the name was developed... or, next, the Movimento Sociale Italiano ... both of which you are know absolutely nothing about ... because your "scholars" most likely don't know either. (Maybe you tell us about your favourite "scholars" ...?)

Contrary to you I live in an environment, where sources and relics about those times and topics still exist. I deal with some of those things on a daily basis. Und ich kann solche Dinge auch noch lesen, und kenne den Kontext.


Ich habe selten größeren Unsinn gelesen als deinen Mist.



I understand English is not your first language. But, blondie, again you fail to understand a very simple statement.




bounty44 -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 3:45:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
[I think he's an attention whore and this is the strategy he uses to get everyone to focus on him. Just like kids who consistently misbehave in school, people desperate for attention prefer negative attention to none at all.


I rather think he's part mentally ill and part evil.




blnymph -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 3:51:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

only idiots fall right into the fake socialism traps of the NSDAP or the MSI and numerous other

being excluded from proper quality education is only a weak excuse

I'll take your word for it since I don't know who those groups are. I base my opinion on scholarly writing. But, blondie, go ahead and keep making inane points.



"Scholarly writing" of the kind you disqualify yourself by not even familiar with proper terms, or any explanations what the NSDAP was or how the name was developed... or, next, the Movimento Sociale Italiano ... both of which you are know absolutely nothing about ... because your "scholars" most likely don't know either. (Maybe you tell us about your favourite "scholars" ...?)

Contrary to you I live in an environment, where sources and relics about those times and topics still exist. I deal with some of those things on a daily basis. Und ich kann solche Dinge auch noch lesen, und kenne den Kontext.


Ich habe selten größeren Unsinn gelesen als deinen Mist.



I understand English is not your first language. But, blondie, again you fail to understand a very simple statement.



The crap you posted here (not for the first time ...) is most easily understood as crap.

I didn't need a TOEFL for that.




Nnanji -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 3:58:44 PM)

Apparently you do blondie. But, whatever.




Milesnmiles -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 8:16:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

Point out what disagreed with me. Do it in context. I'm a little unsure you can, you haven't shown much of an ability to read and comprehend yet. I assure you when you do fail, I'll just laugh and not help you again.
Well you seemed to skip right over this to get to what you seemed to think was the main point:

The French Revolution was a major influence insofar as the Nazis saw themselves as fighting back against many of the ideas it brought to prominence, especially liberalism, liberal democracy, and racial equality; on the other hand, Fascism drew heavily on the revolutionary ideal of nationalism.

Fascism opposed the egalitarian and international character of orthodox socialism, while seeking to establish itself as an alternative, third way, "national" socialism; it strongly opposed liberalism, especially classical liberalism that “implies individualism”,[4] along with communism, and democratic socialism.






Milesnmiles -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 8:23:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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The looney Right's insistence on literalism is amusing. They insist that 'socialist' in the official title of the Nazi party must be interpreted literally and ergo, the Nazis were 'lefties' . Any evidence of the Nazi's murderous suppression of real socialists is denied or ignored. The unanimous view of every reputable political scientist everywhere that Nazism is an extreme right wing phenomenon must be ignored too - their views are not enough to contradict a literal interpretation of a single adjective in the Party name.

Interesting results occur when this principle is applied to other areas of politics. For example, North Korea's official title is the People's Democratic Republic of North Korea. Applying the literalist principle, we are forced to conclude that North Korea is a bastion of democracy! Or the British Commonwealth, of which Uganda and Australia are both members and therefore are equal in wealth ... !

In fact why not apply the principle liberally (pardon the pun) - so that any politician's promise must be taken literally and therefore is a cast iron fact. Does that describe a reality that any one here has ever experienced? Do WMDs suddenly materialise in Iraq? The literalists have no option but to insist that they will suddenly materialise. Will Affordable Care be produced by the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare)? The literalists have no option but to insist that it will be. I could go on and on but I am sure you get the picture ....



What a small twisted mind.
Honestly, this is the best you can come up with? No attempt to even reason on what was said, just this?




Nnanji -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 8:27:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

Point out what disagreed with me. Do it in context. I'm a little unsure you can, you haven't shown much of an ability to read and comprehend yet. I assure you when you do fail, I'll just laugh and not help you again.
Well you seemed to skip right over this to get to what you seemed to think was the main point:

The French Revolution was a major influence insofar as the Nazis saw themselves as fighting back against many of the ideas it brought to prominence, especially liberalism, liberal democracy, and racial equality; on the other hand, Fascism drew heavily on the revolutionary ideal of nationalism.

Fascism opposed the egalitarian and international character of orthodox socialism, while seeking to establish itself as an alternative, third way, "national" socialism; it strongly opposed liberalism, especially classical liberalism that “implies individualism”,[4] along with communism, and democratic socialism.




A) you don't really believe "Classic Liberalism" hasanything to do with current American liberalism do you? B) and you'll find quotes from both Hitler and Stalin about this, the Nazis were a one party system, just like the Soviet Union, China, Venezuela today, and Castro. Of course Hitler down talked them and sent their proponents to concentration camps. That has nothing to do with National Socialisms actual beliefs. C)


http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

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It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical. The evidence before 1945 was more private than public, which is perhaps significant in itself. In public Hitler was always anti-Marxist, and in an age in which the Soviet Union was the only socialist state on earth, and with anti-Bolshevism a large part of his popular appeal, he may have been understandably reluctant to speak openly of his sources. His megalomania, in any case, would have prevented him from calling himself anyone's disciple. That led to an odd and paradoxical alliance between modern historians and the mind of a dead dictator. Many recent analysts have fastidiously refused to study the mind of Hitler; and they accept, as unquestioningly as many Nazis did in the 1930s, the slogan "Crusade against Marxism" as a summary of his views. An age in which fascism has become a term of abuse is unlikely to analyse it profoundly.


You just don't understand what you're talking about as can be seen from your interpritaion of what you're reading. You might be relying on what tweak said. But as she also said...nobody writes scholarly works saying Nazis were left wing. Above is an example that shows she doesn't know what she's talking about.




Milesnmiles -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 9:01:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
A) you don't really believe "Classic Liberalism" has anything to do with current American liberalism do you?

To a certain extent I do.

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B) and you'll find quotes from both Hitler and Stalin about this, the Nazis were a one party system, just like the Soviet Union, China, Venezuela today, and Castro. Of course Hitler down talked them and sent their proponents to concentration camps. That has nothing to do with National Socialisms actual beliefs.
One party system? Hitler was a dictator, what other party could there be?

Send them to concentration camps, Yep that's socialism for you.

National Socialism's actual beliefs? Yep just keep repeating over and over to yourself Socialism, Socialism, Socialism and don't look behind the curtain at what National Socialism actually did so you might know what they were/are.

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C) You just don't understand what you're talking about as can be seen from your interpritaion of what you're reading. You might be relying on what tweak said. But as she also said...nobody writes scholarly works saying Nazis were left wing. Above is an example that shows she doesn't know what she's talking about.
Actually you are the one that doesn't seem to know what you are talking about.

And no, I don't rely on what tweak said, I draw my own conclusions about things.

And just because you can find one person out of a thousand that can agree with idiocy doesn't that they're right and the other thousand are wrong and doesn't prove that she doesn't know what she's talking about.




Nnanji -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 9:21:21 PM)

Fine, your little mind thinks my mind is little and I'm LMAO at your attempts here. You're adding nothing and accepting nothing. No point in trying to whip that ignat out of you.




Edwird -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/14/2017 9:46:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
the Nazis were a one party system, just like the Soviet Union, China, Venezuela today, and Castro.


As were the dictatorships of Augusto Pinochet, Chiang Kai-shek, Ferdinand Marcos, Hirohito (or Tōjō, depending on whom you ask), so it was with Batista, he preceding Castro as Cuban dictator (in case you missed it), as were Somoza and Somoza DeBayle (or the US Marines, depending on whom you ask), Fransisco Franco, Manuel Noriega (friend of US, until he wasn't), whoever the is current dictator of the US' wahabist-terrorist-training friends in Saudi Arabia, the Reza Shah Pahlavi etc.

Your point?






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