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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

When the sea is rushing in, it's better to decide what to do, and not argue about what caused it.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

"The Social Cost of Carbon Regulations"

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Anti-carbon rules are designed to drive energy de-carbonization and modern nation de-industrialization. Perhaps worst, their impacts fall hardest on poor, minority and blue-collar families. Those families spend proportionately three to ten times more of their incomes on energy than families earning $50,000 to $250,000 a year. They have little discretionary income and face the greatest risk of having their electricity cut off – as happened to 330,000 families during 2015 in ultra-green Germany.
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https://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/2017/03/18/the-social-cost-of-carbon-regulations-n2300683

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

"The Social Cost of Carbon Regulations"

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Anti-carbon rules are designed to drive energy de-carbonization and modern nation de-industrialization. Perhaps worst, their impacts fall hardest on poor, minority and blue-collar families. Those families spend proportionately three to ten times more of their incomes on energy than families earning $50,000 to $250,000 a year. They have little discretionary income and face the greatest risk of having their electricity cut off – as happened to 330,000 families during 2015 in ultra-green Germany.
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https://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/2017/03/18/the-social-cost-of-carbon-regulations-n2300683

Except that it didn't happen. NOT happen.
Nicht, niente, nada, ne pas, nje.

FAKE bs


There was big electrical power failure in 2015 (31st of March) ...
in TURKEY!

Of course some simpletons don't know the difference, and other simpletons believe everything their favourite simpletons fantasize about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_outages


btw you 'll find quite a few power failures in the US of . there, 2015 included.

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Of course some simpletons don't know the difference, and other simpletons believe everything their favourite simpletons fantasize about.

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Each year between 2011 and 2015, electricity providers cut off power to at least 300,000 German households who could no longer afford to pay their bills, the government revealed on Thursday.

The number of houses which could not afford electricity payments varied between 312,000 and 352,000. The power cut-offs were normally due to poverty, with people on state welfare very often affected.

Meanwhile in 2015, 44,000 households had their gas supply cut off.

The government announcement - in response to a parliamentary question by Die Linke (the Left Party) - also revealed that between 15.7 percent and 16.7 percent of people in Germany are threatened with poverty.

“Energy poverty in Germany is a silent catastrophe for millions of people, especially in the cold, dark winter months,” said Eva Bulling-Schröter, energy spokeswoman for Die Linke.

While Germany is selling more electricity than ever before to other European countries, the government is turning a blind eye to the poor within its own borders who can't afford their power bills, Bulling-Schröter said.

“Many people are ashamed of the fact they can't pay their bills. They are stigmatized and withdraw from society after their electricity has been cut, which is particularly damaging to children.”

The left-wing politician called for the government to change the law to ensure that children, the elderly and the sick are protected from energy cut-offs, calling electricity a “basic necessity of public services.”

Electricity bills went up by an average of 3.5 percent in January, meaning that households will be paying an average €50 more in 2017 than they paid last year.

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...For Germany, it all adds up to a disaster in the making and an explosion of electricity prices per kWh, at least 40% or more

Germany was one of the first European countries to jump on the wind and solar renewable energy bandwagon, abandoning nuclear power generation after the Fukushima disaster in Japan. Consequently, according to Spiegel Online International, Germans were forced to pay the highest electricity rates in Europe. “Germany’s energy poverty” hit the underprivileged the hardest when “electricity became a luxury good.” Welfare and pension checks were not adjusted to accommodate for higher prices. Over 300,000 Germans a year have their electricity cut off because they cannot afford to pay their electric bills. “Two-thirds of the price increase is due to new government fees, surcharges and taxes.”

The renewable energy is generating so many tax surcharges, Germans can no longer keep up – there is a surcharge to finance the power grids, and collateral damage charges from energy surplus or deficit, depending on the weather and the time of the day…

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According to t-online.de here, “More than 330,000 households in Germany have seen their electricity cut off over the past year alone.”

[http://www.t-online.de/finanzen/energie/id_80509748/armut-hartz-iv-330-000-haushalten-in-deutschland-wurde-strom-gesperrt.html]

The German site writes that those hit the hardest are households on welfare, i.e. society’s poorest and most vulnerable.

German politician Eva Bulling-Schröter of the Left Party has called it “a silent catastrophe“.

Not only have the poor been broadsided by the high electricity prices, but so have energy intensive industries. This all makes many average workers uneasy. Over the past years a number of German plants have been moving their operations to less expensive locations abroad, especially in the chemical industry. Traditional power companies have also been getting creamed, seeing billions of losses and thousands of layoffs.

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Currently away from my PC, but you can simply Google “Bundesnetzagentur Monitoring Report” and get accurate numbers of actual power shutdown due to unpaid bills…

Sebastian, I am sorry you are away from your PC. I followed your link. To refresh your memory, the actual number for 2014 is 351,802 in the 2015 Monitoring Report – the newest data I found today. The numbers keep growing. –

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meanwhile, just for you mnottertroll:

"Over 300,000 poverty-hit German homes have power cut off each year"

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Each year between 2011 and 2015, electricity providers cut off power to at least 300,000 German households who could no longer afford to pay their bills, the government revealed on Thursday.

The number of houses which could not afford electricity payments varied between 312,000 and 352,000. The power cut-offs were normally due to poverty, with people on state welfare very often affected.

Meanwhile in 2015, 44,000 households had their gas supply cut off.

The government announcement - in response to a parliamentary question by Die Linke (the Left Party) - also revealed that between 15.7 percent and 16.7 percent of people in Germany are threatened with poverty.

“Energy poverty in Germany is a silent catastrophe for millions of people, especially in the cold, dark winter months,” said Eva Bulling-Schröter, energy spokeswoman for Die Linke.

While Germany is selling more electricity than ever before to other European countries, the government is turning a blind eye to the poor within its own borders who can't afford their power bills, Bulling-Schröter said.

“Many people are ashamed of the fact they can't pay their bills. They are stigmatized and withdraw from society after their electricity has been cut, which is particularly damaging to children.”

The left-wing politician called for the government to change the law to ensure that children, the elderly and the sick are protected from energy cut-offs, calling electricity a “basic necessity of public services.”

Electricity bills went up by an average of 3.5 percent in January, meaning that households will be paying an average €50 more in 2017 than they paid last year.

https://www.thelocal.de/20170302/over-300000-poverty-hit-german-homes-have-power-cut-off-each-year

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The European Union has long been committed to unilateral efforts to tackle climate change. For the last 20 years, Europe has felt a duty to set an example through radical climate policy-making at home. Political leaders were convinced that the development of a low-carbon economy based on renewables would give Europe a competitive advantage…

This week, Germany’s energy industry association warned that more than half of all power plants in planning are about to fold: Even the most efficient gas-fired power plants can no longer be operated profitably.

Every 10 new units worth of wind power installation has to be backed up with some eight units worth of fossil fuel generation. This is because fossil fuel plants have to power up suddenly to meet the deficiencies of intermittent renewables. In short, renewables do not provide an escape route from fossil fuel use without which they are unsustainable.

Gas-fired power generation has become uneconomic in the EU, even for some of the most efficient and least carbon-intensive plants. At the end of 2013, 14 per cent of the EU’s installed gas-fired plants stood still, had closed or were at risk of closure. If all gas plants currently under review were to close, this would amount to 28 per cent of current capacity by 2016. Almost 20 per cent of gas power plants in Germany have already become unprofitable and face shutdown as renewables flood the electricity grid with preferential energy.

To avoid blackouts, the government has to subsidize uneconomic gas and coal power plants. Already half of the 28 EU countries have in place or are planning to subsidize fossil fuel power plants to keep the lights on.

Germany’s renewable energy levy, which subsidizes green energy production, rose from 14 billion euros to 20 billion euros in just one year as a result of the fierce expansion of wind and solar power projects. Since the introduction of the levy in 2000, the electricity bill of the typical German consumer has doubled.

As wealthy homeowners and business owners install wind turbines on their land and solar panels on their homes and commercial buildings, low-income families all over Europe have had to foot the skyrocketing electric bills. Many can no longer afford to pay, so the utilities are cutting off their power. The German Association of Energy Consumers estimates that up to 800,000 Germans have had their power cut off because they were unable to pay the country’s rising electricity bills...

Benny Peiser is the director of the London-based Global Warming Policy Forum. The text is based on written evidence he gave to the Committee on Environment and Public Works of the U.S. Senate

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The German people are “up in arms” about energy. Yes, energy—the commodity that affects us every day—our clothes, our food, our entertainment, our transportation, and even our medical treatments. For Germans, electricity prices are soaring as a result of phasing out nuclear power and mandating renewable energy. Consumers in Germany are facing the biggest electricity price increase in a decade and those price increases will continue. It is estimated that by 2030, Germany will have spent more than 300 billion Euros on green electricity. And consumer groups are complaining that about 800,000 German households can no longer pay for their energy bills.

If this rise in energy prices continues, household energy bills could exceed the rent Germans pay for housing in parts of the country. Because renewable technologies are not economic compared to traditional fossil fuel technologies, Germans have had and will continue to pay an additional increasing premium for their use. Because of this premium, electricity prices are expected to increase by over 10 percent next year—the largest increase in a decade. Americans should watch what is happening in Germany regarding the electricity rate base and in other parts of Europe, such as Spain, in their march to build renewable power...

The German government wants 80 percent of its energy to be produced by renewable sources by 2050; biomass, wind, and solar currently make up about 25 percent of the country’s electricity supply. The country has begun to take fossil fuel power stations offline and is planning to phase out nuclear energy by 2022. However, the cost of these changes has resulted in up to 800,000 households not being able to pay their bills and placed a strain on existing capacity in the electrical grid. Although Germany has made significant investment in wind and solar power, it faces an energy shortfall, partly because it has insufficient transmission lines to bring wind power from the North Sea to the industrial centers in the south and partly because the sun doesn’t always shine and the wind doesn’t always blow.…

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New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman published an opinion piece this week titled, “Germany, the Green Superpower.” In the piece, Friedman lauds the country’s effort to transition from coal to renewable energy sources like wind and solar—known as Energiewende—as a success:

“…what the Germans have done in converting almost 30 percent of their electric grid to solar and wind energy from near zero in about 15 years has been a great contribution to the stability of our planet and its climate. The centerpiece of the German Energiewende, or energy transformation, was an extremely generous “feed-in tariff” that made it a no-brainer for Germans to install solar power (or wind) at home and receive a predictable high price for the energy generated off their own rooftops.”

However, contrary to Friedman’s praise, Energiewende has been an utter failure.

Germany’s feed-in tariff was established in 1991 as part of the Electricity Feed-in Act. The law mandates that renewables “have priority on the grid and that investors in renewable must receive sufficient compensation to provide a return on their investment irrespective of electricity prices on the power exchange.” This means utilities are forced to buy electricity from renewable sources at above market rates— regardless of whether or not it is needed. The feed-in tariff was extended for another 20 years in 2000.

Expanding on these subsidies, German Chancellor Angela Merkel officially established the Energiewende in 2010. The plan includes policies such as emission reduction targets, new energy taxes, and continuing the feed-in tariff system.

It’s true that Germany has increased their use of renewables and now generates over 25 percent of its electricity from renewables, with wind and solar making up nearly 15 percent of total electricity production. But this transition has come at a huge cost to the German people. The Institute for Energy Research (IER) outlined some of these costs in a study, finding that:

•Residential German electricity prices are nearly three times higher than electricity prices in the U.S.
•As many as 800,000 Germans have had their power cut off because of an inability to pay for rising energy costs.
•The cost to expand transmission networks to integrate renewables stands at $33.6 billion, which grid operators say accounts “for only a fraction of the cost of the energy transition.”…

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Germany’s green energy policies will likely lead to disaster, according a major environmentalist in the country.

Germany estimates that it will spend over $1.1 trillion on its “Energiewende” plan to boost green energy production and fight global warming. But the plan hasn’t achieved the government’s goal of significantly reducing carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions.

“Policymakers might try to continue on their current course towards economic disaster,” Dr. Fritz Vahrenholt, chairman of the German Wildlife Foundation, wrote in a report published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation. “A serious move away from the Energiewende would amount to an admission of a strategic blunder, with unforeseeable consequences for the current political establishment.”

Vahrenholt argued continuing Energiewende poses a huge problem for the electrical grid, since solar and wind power are intermittent sources and can trigger blackouts. Furthermore, Germany’s green subsidies are distorting the power market, making electricity more expensive, Vahrenholt found.

“Although renewables are already generating an additional cost to energy consumers of the order of [$27] billion annually, there is no political party in Germany that opposes the policy in the parliament; the majority of the German population support it too, because they think they are saving the world from a climate catastrophe,” Vahrenholt said.

The country’s energy policy has already forced it to pay wind farms $548 million to switch off last year to prevent damage to the country’s electric grid, according to a survey of power companies by the German newspaper Wirtschaftswoche.

“Today, energy prices in Germany are already the second highest in Europe (after Denmark). The additional levy on power bills for renewables will rise to an astounding [7.39 cents]/kWh in 2017, more than double the market price,” Vahrenholt continued.

The average German pays 39 cents per kilowatt-hour for electricity due to intense fiscal support for green energy. The average American only spends 10.4 cents per kilowatt-hour. Nuclear power’s decline has created an opening for coal power, according to a Voice of America article published in November. Coal now provides 44 percent of Germany’s power, despite the fact that coal ash is actually more radioactive than nuclear waste.

Nuclear power made up 29.5 percent of Germany’s energy in the year 2000. The share dropped down to 17 percent in 2015, and by 2022 the country intends to have every one of its nuclear plants shutdown. This shift caused Germany’s carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions to actually rise by 28 million tons each year after Germany’s nuclear policy changed. Germany’s government decided to abandon nuclear energy after the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster in Japan galvanized opposition.

Due to the damaging effects of its green energy policies, the German government plans to cap the total amount of wind energy at 40 to 45 percent of national capacity, according to a report published earlier this month by the German newspaper Berliner Zeitung. Germany will get rid of 6,000 megawatts of wind power capacity by 2019

One of Germany’s largest electrical companies is facing bankruptcy due to the enormous amounts of money it poured into green energy, according to a reports by the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. RWE was forced by the government to shut down many of its profitable nuclear reactors and build expensive wind and solar power.

RWE’s overall earnings fell by almost 10 percent between 2014 and 2015 and are predicted to fall by up to 14 percent this year. The company’s attempt to sell stock reeks of an effort to raise the money required to stave off bankruptcy. The company has a 46 percent chance of going bankrupt within the next two years, according to investment groups.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

You're beating poor ignorant Blondie to a pulp with this

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

"The Social Cost of Carbon Regulations"

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Anti-carbon rules are designed to drive energy de-carbonization and modern nation de-industrialization. Perhaps worst, their impacts fall hardest on poor, minority and blue-collar families. Those families spend proportionately three to ten times more of their incomes on energy than families earning $50,000 to $250,000 a year. They have little discretionary income and face the greatest risk of having their electricity cut off – as happened to 330,000 families during 2015 in ultra-green Germany.
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Except that it didn't happen. NOT happen.
Nicht, niente, nada, ne pas, nje.

FAKE bs


There was big electrical power failure in 2015 (31st of March) ...
in TURKEY!

Of course some simpletons don't know the difference, and other simpletons believe everything their favourite simpletons fantasize about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_outages


btw you 'll find quite a few power failures in the US of . there, 2015 included.

I encourage you to reconsider your word choice of "simpleton"---the author is not referencing a "major power outage". go back and read the article. soooo...

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Of course some simpletons don't know the difference, and other simpletons believe everything their favourite simpletons fantasize about.

either "feel better about yourself?" or "piss off"---both work for me.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Derr Speigel concurs with Bounty, as does other online source of information.

So, you are obviously lying again

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/high-costs-and-errors-of-german-transition-to-renewable-energy-a-920288-2.html

https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/average-electricity-prices-kwh.html

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

You're beating poor ignorant Blondie to a pulp with this

its tough to know what the truth is, but at the very least im confident the townhall author was justified in saying what he did about the 300,000, not to mention his other points, which was actually the argument at hand. the financial burden is obvious, whether or not it lead to power being shut off to that many homes is not inconsequential, but its also secondary to that fact.

so mnottertroll---you lose again.

felllllllllllllch gobble!