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Edwird -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 5:20:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail LOL, maybe them red welfare states will start paying taxes. They don't have enough money to support the blue state corporate welfare economy that steals their wealth before they step out the door, sorry. But the blue states do, and enough left over to carry the red welfare states? Why dont the red welfare states move to mexico or russia then? Of course they do, just like the mob has more money than working citizens whom they've stolen from with which to pay the police and judges. Why don't the blue corporate welfare states quit stealing from everybody at both ends, or move to Chile or Russia, then?

BoscoX -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 6:23:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail LOL, maybe them red welfare states will start paying taxes. They don't have enough money to support the blue state corporate welfare economy that steals their wealth before they step out the door, sorry. But the blue states do, and enough left over to carry the red welfare states? Why dont the red welfare states move to mexico or russia then? Of course they do, just like the mob has more money than working citizens whom they've stolen from with which to pay the police and judges. Why don't the blue corporate welfare states quit stealing from everybody at both ends, or move to Chile or Russia, then? Fall for mindless propaganda much

Edwird -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 6:27:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri How much of a difference will block grants make to the efficiency of Medicaid, . . . States don't have to change their Medicaid programs at all. What will change (under the plan), is how much is being given to States for Medicaid. Income affects plans, change in budget=change in plans. You've got a family, don't tell me you don't know this. quote: Considering Medicaid is really a State level program why should taxpayers from one State have any of their taxes given to another State for care of the poor citizens of that other State? Should NY taxpayers pay for Arkansas's poor? Or, should an Arkansas taxpayer pay for Arkansas' poor? Arkansans have already paid out the ass for NY and Cali bailouts in terms of both before and after tax, enough of that already because yes, they and every other state pay federal taxes, however much shortfall there might be after what was stolen from them by blue corporate welfare states. But to your point; why stop there? Why should you live in the US at all, then? Or in your state? Or in your city? Why should your city have to pay for the infrastructure and the libraries and the schools and the roads, which not everybody directly uses but still pays for? It's called -Society-, and every tribe and every government in history has succeeded or failed by how well they were able to serve that ultimate interest. I don't benefit directly by paying for somebody else's brat getting an education, nor for paying whatever benefits to those having fallen upon hard times, but in either case it's not anything having to do with my "feeling better about it" but rather that the whole operation runs more smoothly with such things in place.

vincentML -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 9:14:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Corporate share of federal tsome ax revenue has dropped by two-thirds in 60 years — from 32% in 1952 to 10% in 2013. How much are they paying in taxes compared to 60 years ago? What difference does it make? The greater decline in share of income from corporations the greater the burden on workers. U.S. Corporations have stashed $1.8 Trillion out reach of the tax man as of 2013. Some estimates are higher. Overseas cash hoarding is a disservice to workers and to share holders because the money is neither being taxed nor is it being invested to build out the business. Pretty much just a stagnant cesspool.

WickedsDesire -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 9:24:18 AM)
I missed a bit was it at you Tamaka - the fact that say 1-5% of people play the system is no argument at all for not helping the genuine 95% in need. I am not particularly familiar with the American system...obviously I know the USA is the only nation in civilised realms with no social health care federal and states I am also not particularly familiar with and who pays for what

bounty44 -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 10:13:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail LOL, maybe them red welfare states will start paying taxes. They don't have enough money to support the blue state corporate welfare economy that steals their wealth before they step out the door, sorry. But the blue states do, and enough left over to carry the red welfare states? Why dont the red welfare states move to mexico or russia then? Of course they do, just like the mob has more money than working citizens whom they've stolen from with which to pay the police and judges. Why don't the blue corporate welfare states quit stealing from everybody at both ends, or move to Chile or Russia, then? Fall for mindless propaganda much ive corrected mnottertroll a number of times about his erroneous "red welfare state" nonsense, but a part of his impotency extends into an inability to learn.

BoscoX -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 10:27:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 ive corrected mnottertroll a number of times about his erroneous "red welfare state" nonsense, but a part of his impotency extends into an inability to learn. Once told, their lies and propaganda become real to them. It is an integral part of their mental disorder

WickedsDesire -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 10:35:35 AM)
patient zero guffaws My opinion of course, the dear readers can decide for themselves.

Edwird -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 10:41:05 AM)
Look, don't get carried away here, guys. The whole entirely misunderstood and comedically misapplied "free market" fallacy as mantra is what got us into that mess in the first place. That is the fault of red and blue states, that's all I was trying to point out.

tamaka -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 10:42:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire I missed a bit was it at you Tamaka - the fact that say 1-5% of people play the system is no argument at all for not helping the genuine 95% in need. I am not particularly familiar with the American system...obviously I know the USA is the only nation in civilised realms with no social health care federal and states I am also not particularly familiar with and who pays for what Well you might see that changing if they have to start contributing more to NATO, and they have to bolster up their own military capabilities, as well as suffer the ramifications of a more equitable free trade agreement.

BoscoX -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 10:48:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird Look, don't get carried away here, guys. The whole entirely misunderstood and comedically misapplied "free market" fallacy as mantra is what got us into that mess in the first place. That is the fault of red and blue states, that's all I was trying to point out. What got us here are the alt left's efforts to push the world into communism

mnottertail -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 10:55:41 AM)
that is no correction, there is nothing erroneous about it, for several reasons, but we will begin with the obvious for the red welfare state retarded nutsuckers. 1, They are receiving welfare from the federal government. 2. There is this thing called a constitution in which the congress hands out the welfare, not the prez. 3. You are still fucking nutsucker retards. 4. Since the red welfare nutsucker states dont hold their own on state taxes, they get welfare from the fed to make it up. 5. then the nutsuckers whine about the federal taxes. 6. You are still nutsucker retards. 7. I am not going to spend a great deal of time with you innumerate fucking retards, because well, you are fucking retards, but note as an example North Dakota 2 Nutsucker senators since 1980, out of 8 senators.36/4 =9 contests times 2=18 and 8 separate people have been senators, although one could cavil about the Burdicks. Get me to 85%, dogshit44. 8. And there are more nutsucker states than not with the unconstitutional gerrymandering across this nation. 10 Run me down the numbers and tell me how a nutsucker aint a nutsucker in Owsley KY.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 11:01:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird Look, don't get carried away here, guys. The whole entirely misunderstood and comedically misapplied "free market" fallacy as mantra is what got us into that mess in the first place. That is the fault of red and blue states, that's all I was trying to point out. What got us here are the alt left's efforts to push the world into communism Not communism... socialism. But of course you can't tell the difference. [8\|]

Edwird -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 11:03:47 AM)
And in any case, if people want the working poor in Arkansas or Alabama to contribute more than they've been bled already to nationally enforced extortion and other corporate state sponsored financial terrorism, how about raising the minimum wage, while you're at it? $26 million bonuses as reward for financial mailbox diving with daddy's car and doing front yard donuts on the US economy isn't going to be paid for by present wages, that's the truth.

BoscoX -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 11:15:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird Look, don't get carried away here, guys. The whole entirely misunderstood and comedically misapplied "free market" fallacy as mantra is what got us into that mess in the first place. That is the fault of red and blue states, that's all I was trying to point out. What got us here are the alt left's efforts to push the world into communism Not communism... socialism. But of course you can't tell the difference. [8\|] They promise you useful idiots socialism Communists have always pretended to be socialists, have always promised their victims the moon, prior to enslaving them and literally murdering vast seas of those enslaved "Everything is going to be free" Who in their right mind would ever agree to a communist takeover They coat that bitter pill with sugar 100 million slaughtered and counting Look at leftists in America now. Step out of line and get pepper sprayed, get sucker punched. Have your business riuned

mnottertail -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 11:33:54 AM)
Nutsuckers obviously, the whitehouse is full of them. Look at all the shit the nutsuckers have promised, but just borrowed and spent on 'defense'.

Edwird -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 11:40:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Not communism... socialism. But of course you can't tell the difference. Communists have always pretended to be socialists, Just as you have always pretended to have a brain. Next . . . How many people did Sweden kill in the last 100 years to do their thing? The US killed more than 170,000 civilians in anther country just in the latest episode. Not to mention numerous promotion and support actions to benefit of anti-freedom dictators along the way, and making a wreck out of South America in the process, and an absolute mess of the Middle East and increase in world disturbance in that noisy process. As already pointed out by freedomdwarf, you have no capacity in understanding the distinction or difference between communism and socialism.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 11:45:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX They promise you useful idiots socialism Communists have always pretended to be socialists, have always promised their victims the moon, prior to enslaving them and literally murdering vast seas of those enslaved Where?? Maybe in China, but not in OECD socialist countries. quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX "Everything is going to be free" Who in their right mind would ever agree to a communist takeover They coat that bitter pill with sugar See what I mean?? You really can't tell the difference between the two. [:-] quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX 100 million slaughtered and counting Look at leftists in America now. Step out of line and get pepper sprayed, get sucker punched. Have your business riuned Doesn't happen like that here or anywhere else in other OECD countries. Only in the US where you have a stoopidly lax gun culture. The root cause of all this shit has nothing to do with politics - it's your gun culture.

BoscoX -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 11:51:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird How many people did Sweden kill in the last 100 years to do their thing? The US killed more than 170,000 civilians in anther country just in the latest episode. Not to mention numerous promotion and support of anti-freedom dictators along the way, and making a wreck out of South America in the process, and an absolute mess of the Middle East and increase in world disturbance in that noisy process. As already pointed out by freedomdwarf, you have no capacity in understanding the distinction or difference between communism and socialism. Communist apologists aplenty, but no communists? [:D] We are talking about "socialist" governments gaining power through popular support, then slaughtering untold numbers of their own helpless citizens It has happened time and again. Every country has gone to war, practically. Democrats, Hillary, voted for war. There is no comparison between war deaths, while liberating another people, or fighting against USSR / Cuba backed communist insurgencies, and the outright slaughter of millions of unarmed helpless citizens by their communist Dear Leaders You complain about deaths incurred, while fighting off mass murderers, that is massive hypocrisy as well as massive ignorance and stupidity

BoscoX -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/19/2017 11:59:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX They promise you useful idiots socialism Communists have always pretended to be socialists, have always promised their victims the moon, prior to enslaving them and literally murdering vast seas of those enslaved Where?? Maybe in China, but not in OECD socialist countries. quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX "Everything is going to be free" Who in their right mind would ever agree to a communist takeover They coat that bitter pill with sugar See what I mean?? You really can't tell the difference between the two. [:-] quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX 100 million slaughtered and counting Look at leftists in America now. Step out of line and get pepper sprayed, get sucker punched. Have your business riuned Doesn't happen like that here or anywhere else in other OECD countries. Only in the US where you have a stoopidly lax gun culture. The root cause of all this shit has nothing to do with politics - it's your gun culture. China, the USSR, how much of the planet there alone. Over half? Then North Korea, Vietnam,... Ever heard of the killing fields of Pol Pot Cuba And as E.D. alluded to, they tried to enslave most all of South and Central America "Trust us, we are here to help" You blame our gun culture, for leftist violence... When they have slaughtered a hundred million people outside of the USA And you act like there has never been violence of any kind in Europe You are a fucking loon

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