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The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 8:56:32 AM   
vincentML


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Status: offline 		was further shattered yesterday when the WH Press Sec read an opinion from Faux News claiming the British Intelligence Agencies were wire tapping Trump Tower.

This added upon two months of shaky governance and childish twitter tantrums.

Our Allied Leaders are asking WTF?

This article from February was prescient.

An inexperienced, fractious and mediocre staff and a spectacularly unknowledgeable president will get better at planning and execution in the months ahead. If nothing else, they will learn to fake competence.

Faking credibility may be harder.

White House counselor Kellyanne Conway often does not tell the truth. White House press secretary Sean Spicer often does not tell the truth. White House national security adviser Michael Flynn appears to have been untruthful on a crucial matter of his communications with a hostile foreign power. And, of course, Trump himself states so many falsehoods, with such unrepentant regularity, that political reporters now tabulate the daily hits and misses like a box score.

None of this bothers Trump's base voters, who are, for now at least, fully at home with the administration's alternative facts. But the world at large is less accommodating. Neither Washington nor other capitals are populated by uncritical consumers of information. Credibility is political currency. After three weeks in office, and clueless bluster on everything from Taiwan to Obamacare, Trump is low on funds.

Imagine the mental checklist required of, say, German Chancellor Angela Merkel in approaching a sensitive conversation with Trump. If she is honest with him, will Trump betray her to Russia's Vladimir Putin, or to his own shady staff who will use the information against her? Will Trump unleash a childish tweet that muddies and undermines whatever understanding Merkel thought they had reached? If something goes awry, will Trump immediately seek to scapegoat Merkel? Does Trump, who is ignorant of basic historical facts, even have enough information to understand the issues under discussion?


If winning the clash of ideas is crucial to our national security, the arrogant Bronx Bungler has put the nation in jeopardy. Who can trust him abroad?

Are you worried yet?

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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 9:25:04 AM   
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Trump looking like a right sheleighleigh

Ireland’s Prime Minister Enda Kenny tells Donald J. Trump that for over 200 years, millions of Irish immigrants have called America home.

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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 9:31:15 AM   
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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 9:35:41 AM   
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oh ffs boscox we all know the USA and GB services collect all data...whats the names for all these programs, as I forget..and their scope?

there be one with the USA and the UK
then there is one with 5 countries, and seven countries...I seem to think Germany is on that one

I miss Person of Interest :(

It is very usual, unheard off, Vincent for GCHQ to make a statement regarding anything at all. But my reading of today's statement was that trump is a mad lying fuk of his head....the story has evolved today and is now titled.

US will 'not repeat' claims GCHQ wiretapped Donald Trump http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39300191



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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 10:08:48 AM   
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Faux news...


feel clever?

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Are you worried yet?


nope, unless you count a little unsettled from over-reactionary leftist nutjobs...the likes of which inhabit the forums on a daily basis.


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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 10:16:06 AM   
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Faux news...


feel clever?

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Are you worried yet?


nope, unless you count a little unsettled from over-reactionary leftist nutjobs...the likes of which inhabit the forums on a daily basis.




They've been running around like headless chickens since Nov. 8th, and it's funny but I don't feel even slightly panicked myself

How long can they keep up their constant hysteria, do you think

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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 10:31:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nutsuckers? They can shit their pants right up until its time to felchgobble again, the nutsuckers are in panic and hysteria, saying all sorts of retarded shit. Oh, never mind, they always do that, because they are always hysterical. And always pimp pedophiles too, come to that.

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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 11:05:39 AM   
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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 11:22:33 AM   
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They've been running around like headless chickens since Nov. 8th, and it's funny but I don't feel even slightly panicked myself


That's because you don't know or care about what Trump is doing, and prefer to endlessly talk about how Hillary lost and Obama did whatever FOX or Breitbart or townhall tells you he did.

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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 11:24:17 AM   
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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 12:17:17 PM   
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Not that you could ever honestly equate Trump with Obama, but it is interesting to see how things have changed in that respect.

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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 1:11:45 PM   
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Faux news...


feel clever?

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Are you worried yet?


nope, unless you count a little unsettled from over-reactionary leftist nutjobs...the likes of which inhabit the forums on a daily basis.




They've been running around like headless chickens since Nov. 8th, and it's funny but I don't feel even slightly panicked myself
How long can they keep up their constant hysteria, do you think

Maybe you can explain how Sean Spicer's smearing the British spy services encourages trust between allies. No, you can't obviously, because you have your head in the sand.


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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 1:15:25 PM   
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I have a theory that whenever someone's party loses an election, the resulting worry forces them to pay closer attention to what is happening... but when someone's party wins, they just relax, tune out and assume that everything will be fine.

Not that you could ever honestly equate Trump with Obama, but it is interesting to see how things have changed in that respect.

You may have a point but remember the only concern about Obama we had to defend was the absurd notion that he was a Kenya born Muslim.

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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 1:32:21 PM   
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I have a theory that whenever someone's party loses an election, the resulting worry forces them to pay closer attention to what is happening... but when someone's party wins, they just relax, tune out and assume that everything will be fine.

Not that you could ever honestly equate Trump with Obama, but it is interesting to see how things have changed in that respect.

You may have a point but remember the only concern about Obama we had to defend was the absurd notion that he was a Kenya born Muslim.


Really? Omg... you must have just woken up from an 8 year coma.

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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 1:35:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Faux news...


feel clever?

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Are you worried yet?


nope, unless you count a little unsettled from over-reactionary leftist nutjobs...the likes of which inhabit the forums on a daily basis.




They've been running around like headless chickens since Nov. 8th, and it's funny but I don't feel even slightly panicked myself
How long can they keep up their constant hysteria, do you think

Maybe you can explain how Sean Spicer's smearing the British spy services encourages trust between allies. No, you can't obviously, because you have your head in the sand.



You are just used to a sniveling spineless little weasel who wiretapped our allies behind their backs then groveled, bowed and rolled around on his face licking their shoes whenever he met them in person

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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 3:03:06 PM   
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Faux news...


feel clever?

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Are you worried yet?


nope, unless you count a little unsettled from over-reactionary leftist nutjobs...the likes of which inhabit the forums on a daily basis.




They've been running around like headless chickens since Nov. 8th, and it's funny but I don't feel even slightly panicked myself

How long can they keep up their constant hysteria, do you think


it seems to be their natural state whenever one of their comrades is not in power, so my guess is "indefinitely."

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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 5:20:55 PM   
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After Mr. Obama’s 2008 presidential election, U.S. intelligence officials gave his national-security team a one-page questionnaire on priorities. Included on the form was a box directing intelligence agencies to focus on “leadership intentions,” a category that relies on electronic spying to monitor world leaders.

The NSA was so proficient at monitoring heads of state that it was common for the agency to deliver a visiting leader’s talking points to the president in advance. “Who’s going to look at that box and say, ‘No, I don’t want to know what world leaders are saying,’ ” a former Obama administration official said. HERE

Who ?

After French officials railed at a report that the NSA had scooped up millions of phone-call records from their country, France’s former top intelligence official Bernard Squarcini scolded them. “I am amazed by such disconcerting naiveté,” Squarcini told Le Figaro. “The French intelligence services know full well that all countries, whether or not they are allies in the fight against terrorism, spy on each other all the time.” (Further muddying the morality, U.S. officials insist that France and Spain collected the data themselves and passed it along to the NSA.)

Intelligence insiders say that would amount to unilateral disarmament by the U.S. “Let’s be honest we eavesdrop too. Everyone is listening to everyone else,” former French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner told France Info radio. If the NSA earns special scorn, he added, it’s because “we don’t have the same means as the United States which makes us jealous.”

HERE


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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 5:36:18 PM   
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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 5:57:30 PM   
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They dont have microwaves in France?


How about smart cars, smart phones or smart tvs

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RE: The President's Credibility with Allies ... - 3/17/2017 6:14:28 PM   
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They dont have microwaves in France?


How about smart cars, smart phones or smart tvs









hell, they don't even have smart people wherever the fuck you're from.

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