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Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 2:24:47 PM   
BoscoX


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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 3:17:56 PM   
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Obama's gone, and his war against the poor is over because the mere promise of affordable energy is firing up the economy once again

How much of that oil will be used in amerika?
How many perminant jobs will that pipeline create in amerika?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 3:41:45 PM   
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Now it's $2.24here.

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 3:53:28 PM   
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When Obama took office gas was what, $4.25/gallon? Steadily down from there.

Now it's $2.24here.


What gasoline cost no longer has any affect on me...my ride is electric.
Yes I do have a ic car and a pick up that both run on propane. I bought one propane commodity contract and took delivery at .32 cents per gallon plus .11 cents a gallon to transport it.
Color me done with gasoline.

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 3:54:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		@thompsonx Oil is traded on a world market. I own an oil well and have part ownership in 23 other wells all in the USA. I am one that would have preferred the pipe line would have never been built. That said it is not always about the jobs, or if the oil is sold in the USA. Two things happen when the USA imports oil from Canada. It creates very few full time permanent jobs in the USA. One is it increases oil reserves in the USA. Even if the old is exported it has a long-lasting effect on reserves and that brings the price of oil down. The second thing is this oil is stored very close to the refineries and tends to be used before other imported oil. I do not sell my oil from Wyoming because of that fact. The US tends to ship most of what we use daily by truck or rail. Both use a tremendous amount of fuel and as fuel prices go downward cost of food, building materials are only two items that drop-in price. Where most really save, are the people that must commute for work. Look up the amount saved by the last big drop in gasoline prices just on the east coast. Studies show that the money saved was spent back in the service sector. Over all there are more job created than one would realize.
I know you just hate it when someone does it better than the last one. I live where global warming has become a problem. It must be addressed very soon. What most seem to overlook are the countries that have not cleaned up their act. I hope now in trade agreements the US will start to put real presser on those that are not doing anything to stop air pollution.

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 4:47:37 PM   
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@thompsonx Oil is traded on a world market.

Something I have been aware of for for the last 60 years.



I own an oil well and have part ownership in 23 other wells all in the USA. I am one that would have preferred the pipe line would have never been built. That said it is not always about the jobs, or if the oil is sold in the USA.


What is it about?


Two things happen when the USA imports oil from Canada. It creates very few full time permanent jobs in the USA.

My understanding is that the oil that will flow through this pipeline will be refined in texas and shipped out of the country. Is that correct? If so how does that help amerika?



One is it increases oil reserves in the USA.


How so?

Even if the old is exported it has a long-lasting effect on reserves and that brings the price of oil down.


How so?

The second thing is this oil is stored very close to the refineries and tends to be used before other imported oil.


I am pretty sure that amerika is the third largest oil producer on the planet and the second largest net exporter of refined petroleum product.


I do not sell my oil from Wyoming because of that fact. The US tends to ship most of what we use daily by truck or rail. Both use a tremendous amount of fuel and as fuel prices go downward cost of food, building materials are only two items that drop-in price.


Cite please


Where most really save, are the people that must commute for work. Look up the amount saved by the last big drop in gasoline prices just on the east coast.

How much more would they have saved with electric cars?



Studies show that the money saved was spent back in the service sector.


Cite please


Over all there are more job created than one would realize.

cite please


I know you just hate it when someone does it better than the last one.


You obviously know nothing about me.

I live where global warming has become a problem. It must be addressed very soon. What most seem to overlook are the countries that have not cleaned up their act.


Which countries would those be?

I hope now in trade agreements the US will start to put real presser on those that are not doing anything to stop air pollution.

That has not been mentioned in any of dumb don and the deplorables vocalisations. So my question is from where do you draw that hope?

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 6:32:29 PM   
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When Obama took office gas was what, $4.25/gallon? Steadily down from there.

Now it's $2.24here.


No thanks to the global warming hysteria cult, but despite them

Obama said he wants high gas prices, at a time when they were well over $4.00 per gallon - YouTube

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 6:39:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bush said the same thing, because it encourages exploration.

Under Obama, we went from a net importer to a net exporter of oil for the first time in decades.


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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 6:45:32 PM   
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Bush said the same thing, because it encourages exploration.

Under Obama, we went from a net importer to a net exporter of oil for the first time in decades.




Despite Obama

And your lie about Bush is just childish and stupid.

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 6:46:51 PM   
Musicmystery


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Learn something about the country you live in.

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 6:48:32 PM   
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Your stupidity about Bush is not surprising.

Learn something about the country you live in.


Grow up, and quit spreading trollish nonsense

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 6:50:03 PM   
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Ignorant twat.

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 7:03:24 PM   
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Oh FFS.

Ignorant twat.


FFS grow up and quit trolling

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 8:13:42 PM   
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Oh FFS.

Ignorant twat.



No... LP is an ignorant twat.

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/19/2017 8:43:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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Oh FFS.

Ignorant twat.


FFS grow up and quit trolling


that comment coming from the CONsummate wimp boss-hoe-x, who hasn't stopped posting a new CON-whine just about every day since he got on here.

hell even this thread speaks to his need to whine about his lack of everything testicular.

Dont u ever get tired of being so damn stupid,.... boss-hoe?

maybe we should call u an "alt-whiner".


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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 6:07:26 AM   
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@thompsonx Oil is traded on a world market. I own an oil well and have part ownership in 23 other wells all in the USA. I am one that would have preferred the pipe line would have never been built. That said it is not always about the jobs, or if the oil is sold in the USA. Two things happen when the USA imports oil from Canada. It creates very few full time permanent jobs in the USA. One is it increases oil reserves in the USA. Even if the old is exported it has a long-lasting effect on reserves and that brings the price of oil down. The second thing is this oil is stored very close to the refineries and tends to be used before other imported oil. I do not sell my oil from Wyoming because of that fact. The US tends to ship most of what we use daily by truck or rail. Both use a tremendous amount of fuel and as fuel prices go downward cost of food, building materials are only two items that drop-in price. Where most really save, are the people that must commute for work. Look up the amount saved by the last big drop in gasoline prices just on the east coast. Studies show that the money saved was spent back in the service sector. Over all there are more job created than one would realize.
I know you just hate it when someone does it better than the last one. I live where global warming has become a problem. It must be addressed very soon. What most seem to overlook are the countries that have not cleaned up their act. I hope now in trade agreements the US will start to put real presser on those that are not doing anything to stop air pollution.


Most if not all of the XL Keystone (Koch brothers) pipeline takes oil to be sold or refined and sold through the Port of Houston. That is what's called a FTZ (Free or Foreign Trade Zone) which is a tax free zone. (80% of the benefits of this act...is oil)

That oil need not go anywhere near Houston but for that windfall benefit. As always in America, it is not about oil, it's about...the fucking money.

HERE

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 6:33:28 AM   
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@thompsonx Oil is traded on a world market. I own an oil well and have part ownership in 23 other wells all in the USA. I am one that would have preferred the pipe line would have never been built. That said it is not always about the jobs, or if the oil is sold in the USA. Two things happen when the USA imports oil from Canada. It creates very few full time permanent jobs in the USA. One is it increases oil reserves in the USA. Even if the old is exported it has a long-lasting effect on reserves and that brings the price of oil down. The second thing is this oil is stored very close to the refineries and tends to be used before other imported oil. I do not sell my oil from Wyoming because of that fact. The US tends to ship most of what we use daily by truck or rail. Both use a tremendous amount of fuel and as fuel prices go downward cost of food, building materials are only two items that drop-in price. Where most really save, are the people that must commute for work. Look up the amount saved by the last big drop in gasoline prices just on the east coast. Studies show that the money saved was spent back in the service sector. Over all there are more job created than one would realize.
I know you just hate it when someone does it better than the last one. I live where global warming has become a problem. It must be addressed very soon. What most seem to overlook are the countries that have not cleaned up their act. I hope now in trade agreements the US will start to put real presser on those that are not doing anything to stop air pollution.


Most if not all of the XL Keystone (Koch brothers) pipeline takes oil to be sold or refined and sold through the Port of Houston. That is what's called a FTZ (Free or Foreign Trade Zone) which is a tax free zone. (80% of the benefits of this act...is oil)

That oil need not go anywhere near Houston but for that windfall benefit. As always in America, it is not about oil, it's about...the fucking money.

HERE


Red herring straw fish propaganda and lies spew. Or, "the propaganda is heavy with this one"

Huston's FTZ has nothing to do with the federal government trade policy, only Huston city tax policy. They choose to not tax the storage of goods being shipped through Huston in order to draw in business, and communists like you hate business

No matter how well it feeds the people

Communists have starved millions and millions btw, literally

Oil companies pay a lot in taxes, and their products are heavily taxed, and they always pay royalties and fees to individuals and the federal government, as well as to state and local governments.

https://energy.duke.edu/sites/default/files/attachments/4.%20Local%20government%20revenue%20from%20oil%20and%20gas%20production%20CORRECTED%20SUMMARY%20FINAL.pdf


A lot of middle class citizens receive very good pay and excellent benefits in the energy sector, their incomes are taxed,and corporate profits are taxed

Energy is vital to the economy, and affordable energy helps the poor the most. More than any government program ever


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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 6:35:53 AM   
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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 6:41:56 AM   
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Oil companies are heavily subsidized, especially for exploration.


They pay a hell of a lot in taxes, too. And their product is heavily taxed, and their product makes the economy hum

Turn off your computer, go live in a cave, and give up every modern convenience (including plentiful affordable groceries and transportation and everything else) if you hate energy so much




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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 7:36:14 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Unlike you, I'm not a partisan hack. I readily acknowledge the importance of the oil industry.

And I actually agree with Bush -- we have artificially low gas prices, and more accurate costs would force better long term decisions.

Not that I mind paying lower gas prices from a personal budget perspective.

However, the oil industry is grown up. It can survive without subsidies. Let prices rise to more accurate market levels.

Other countries are kicking our butts ini solar and wind, because instead of whining, they found better ways to do it.

We should do that too -- and balance fuel use in the transition.

Start with coal, and work out a reasonable transition for miners.

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