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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 7:54:48 AM   
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Unlike you, I'm not a partisan hack. I readily acknowledge the importance of the oil industry.

And I actually agree with Bush -- we have artificially low gas prices, and more accurate costs would force better long term decisions.

Not that I mind paying lower gas prices from a personal budget perspective.

However, the oil industry is grown up. It can survive without subsidies. Let prices rise to more accurate market levels.

Other countries are kicking our butts ini solar and wind, because instead of whining, they found better ways to do it.

We should do that too -- and balance fuel use in the transition.

Start with coal, and work out a reasonable transition for miners.


Wait- Obama's crony friends at Solyndra (etc) made us three, four, five kinds of green with all of the taxpayer cash Obama gifted them

So how can you say we aren't green

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 7:57:38 AM   
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All about Obama.

Ignorant twat.

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 7:59:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Unlike you, I'm not a partisan hack. I readily acknowledge the importance of the oil industry.

And I actually agree with Bush -- we have artificially low gas prices, and more accurate costs would force better long term decisions.

Not that I mind paying lower gas prices from a personal budget perspective.

However, the oil industry is grown up. It can survive without subsidies. Let prices rise to more accurate market levels.

Other countries are kicking our butts ini solar and wind, because instead of whining, they found better ways to do it.

We should do that too -- and balance fuel use in the transition.

Start with coal, and work out a reasonable transition for miners.


Wait- Obama's crony friends at Solyndra (etc) made us three, four, five kinds of green with all of the taxpayer cash Obama gifted them

So how can you say we aren't green

Because the nutsuckers allowed the Chinese to dump their cells on the economy, only the nutsuckers took the green on that one, and their co-conspirators.


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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 8:05:18 AM   
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All about Obama.

Ignorant twat.


That's how government solves problems, it's the "progressive" way. It is a six step process

1. Hysterically scream about a problem that doesn't exist (man caused global warming in this case, or fake news about dwindling oil reserves will do)

2. Take gobs and gobs of taxpayer cash, even go trillions and trillions in debt

3. Divide that cash amongst corrupt crony leftist politicians using various scams

4. Claim they need more money because the problem is worse for some strange unknowable reason

5. Blame the Republicans for failure

6. Repeat

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 8:07:37 AM   
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That's how partisan hacks like you solve problems.

It makes sense to see what's working in the rest of the world and learn from it.

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 8:17:11 AM   
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That's how partisan hacks like you solve problems.

It makes sense to see what's working in the rest of the world and learn from it.



The United States feeds the world, moron. We need to learn from US, no one else

The United States, has historically been the industrial and innovation engine of the entire planet

We created Japan. We created Germany. We created the very stuff China is trying to use to bury us

The destruction of our energy sector is insane, it is the product of leftist hysteria (from leftists in leadership positions to useful idiots such as yourself) who are determined to undermine America's position as the lone global superpower for ideological purposes



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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 8:17:16 AM   
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When Obama took office gas was what, $4.25/gallon? Steadily down from there.

Now it's $2.24here.

Despite Obama's best efforts. Google his comments when he was running in 2007. He said he wanted gas around $5.00 a gallon. The only reason it isn't is because the private sector capitalists developed oil on private land. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 8:20:11 AM   
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When Obama took office gas was what, $4.25/gallon? Steadily down from there.

Now it's $2.24here.

Despite Obama's best efforts. Google his comments when he was running in 2007. He said he wanted gas around $5.00 a gallon. The only reason it isn't is because the private sector capitalists developed oil on private land. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


He knows that, it has been pointed out to him many times. He is deliberately ignorant. It is a part of the mental disorder known as "Marxism"

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 8:21:18 AM   
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affordable energy? someone built a tesla transmitter I am not aware of?

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 8:23:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

That's how partisan hacks like you solve problems.

It makes sense to see what's working in the rest of the world and learn from it.



The United States feeds the world, moron. We need to learn from US, no one else

The United States, has historically been the industrial and innovation engine of the entire planet

We created Japan. We created Germany. We created the very stuff China is trying to use to bury us

The destruction of our energy sector is insane, it is the product of leftist hysteria (from leftists in leadership positions to useful idiots such as yourself) who are determined to undermine America's position as the lone global superpower for ideological purposes





that bullshit, we destroyed germany and japan

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 8:23:55 AM   
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Oh FFS.

Ignorant twat.


FFS grow up and quit trolling


that comment coming from the CONsummate wimp boss-hoe-x, who hasn't stopped posting a new CON-whine just about every day since he got on here.

hell even this thread speaks to his need to whine about his lack of everything testicular.

Dont u ever get tired of being so damn stupid,.... boss-hoe?

maybe we should call u an "alt-whiner".


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Do you, somehow, think that posting ignorant, self loathing comments makes you appear smart or dominant?

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 8:28:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

That's how partisan hacks like you solve problems.

It makes sense to see what's working in the rest of the world and learn from it.



The United States feeds the world, moron. We need to learn from US, no one else

The United States, has historically been the industrial and innovation engine of the entire planet

We created Japan. We created Germany. We created the very stuff China is trying to use to bury us

The destruction of our energy sector is insane, it is the product of leftist hysteria (from leftists in leadership positions to useful idiots such as yourself) who are determined to undermine America's position as the lone global superpower for ideological purposes



A beautiful description of the head in the sand attititude of today's conservatives.


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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 8:44:41 AM   
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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 8:50:51 AM   
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Oil companies are heavily subsidized, especially for exploration.


They pay a hell of a lot in taxes, too. And their product is heavily taxed, and their product makes the economy hum

Turn off your computer, go live in a cave, and give up every modern convenience (including plentiful affordable groceries and transportation and everything else) if you hate energy so much



only u would drag out the "hate" word on the international day of happiness.

the oil companies are in no way, shape or form hurting for profits boss-hoe.

Mostly due to the subsides they get that u pay for... on top of the taxes passed on to consumers, u pay for .... on top of the profit margin u ALSO pay for.

So while ur defending ur right to give oil companies the welfare u'd deny even urself if the situation arose, remember that groceries price changes due to transportation costs are in the penny(s) compared to farmer, labor, & (in some cases) speculator (futures) costs.



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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 8:53:36 AM   
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Both of you are wrong....


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Consider that the average price of a regular gallon of gas at U.S. pumps was $1.85 when Bush was sworn in for his second term in January 2005 and $1.84 when Obama took office in January 2009 on the promise of change, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

Adjusting for inflation, prices rose to $2.52 (Bush) and $2.53 (Obama) seven months into their terms, $2.76 and $2.71, respectively, nearly two years in and $3.27 each three years in. This month, gas is $3.85, more than a dime cheaper than at this point during Bush’s second term when adjusted for inflation.

The average, through 45 months in office? Obama: $3.04; Bush’s second term: $2.98.

“The global price of oil pays no attention to whether the White House occupant is Democrat or Republican,” said Paul Bledsoe, a former White House energy aide to Bill Clinton. It’s just that “when you’re living paycheck to paycheck and gasoline is more expensive, you want to blame somebody.”
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All things considered, according to the US Department of energy, gasoline prices were about the same for both presidents, fluctuating normally as the price of crude per barrel fluctuated.

Now, since the price of gasoline is dependent on the price of crude and influenced by the supply and demand curves, it does not matter one damn bit if a Republican or Democrat is sitting in the white house.

Now, when the price per barrel is high, it does drive exploration AND it makes producing from shale and oil sand deposits profitable, not the price per gallon of gas.

Now, when supply is low and demand is high, prices are high. (basic capitalism folks)

But there are a few other factors to consider.

In the US there are two types of crude oil.

Old oil and New oil.

During the Ford and, later, the Reagan presidencies, oil production in the US was cut into two categories, old and new. Old oil was produced in fields and deposits discovered prior 1970, and old oil had a floating price cap placed on all oil from these older deposits.

The goal was to drive exploration and also increase the strategic oil reserve.

And it is easy to tell exactly which fields the oil comes from, since it is picked up by tanker trucks from tank batteries located around the fields where the oil is being pumped.

Today, WTI crude if 48.23 a barrel and Brent crude is 51.51 as if 10:33AM Central time.

US old oil, price per barrel is $34.45, dependent on availability.

Now, that sounds like gas should be dirt cheap, but the key phrase is "dependent on availability."

You see, oil producing states have various commissions that regulate what oil production will be for any given day, and from what fields that production is allowed to come from.

These states get revenues off production dependent on current crude prices.

AND the Federal Government Department of Energy also has a say in what fields can produce, as it impacts strategic reserve.

Of course, around this part of the oil patch, pumping old oil will be a bit difficult, as most of the wells that were drilled before 1970 has been plugged, nice 200 foot cement plugs poured into the wells as new fields began to produce in abundance.

So, in reality the "old oil" price is meaningless, unless the federal government orders producers to start pumping from those fields.

So, the president has less impact on gas prices at the pump than the two of you have on the price of a Hershey bar at a 7/11 in south central LA.

The Presidents energy policy makes great headlines, but in essence is little more than guidelines and wishful thinking.

President Bush's energy policy went down the toilet with a large refinery fire in Texas at the same time 3 major refineries were undergoing some much needed renovations and modernization of equipment.

Bush sr.'s energy police went down the toilet when Iraq invaded Kuwait. Carter's went south when Iran fell to the Fundamentalists, and then Reagan had to deal with the Iraq v Iran war and the fact that Iranian gun boats tended to attack anything in the Persian Gulf.

For the record, the highest price per barrel for crude oil was in July of 2008 at $147.27 and by February of 2009 it was down to $40 a barrel. The president had absolutely no control over the fluctuation of world crude prices, and thus the price of gasoline at the pump.

Again the price of crude oil and thus the price of gasoline is market driven.

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 8:58:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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Oh FFS.

Ignorant twat.


FFS grow up and quit trolling


that comment coming from the CONsummate wimp boss-hoe-x, who hasn't stopped posting a new CON-whine just about every day since he got on here.

hell even this thread speaks to his need to whine about his lack of everything testicular.

Dont u ever get tired of being so damn stupid,.... boss-hoe?

maybe we should call u an "alt-whiner".


.

Do you, somehow, think that posting ignorant, self loathing comments makes you appear smart or dominant?



Do u, somehow, think that posting ignorant, comments in support of a perpetually self loathing, ball-less wimp makes u appear neither smart or dominant? Or just his fellow alt-whiner?



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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 9:02:11 AM   
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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 9:17:55 AM   
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Yep, steep decline began before Obama was elected, good find

Thank you for the backup

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 9:19:25 AM   
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Illiterate twat.

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RE: Turning On The Pipeline Spigot - 3/20/2017 9:21:14 AM   
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Illiterate twat.


All you have... "You - you - you - uhm... YOU ACT FEMALE!!!!!!"



You just keep doubling down on that shit, as your face gets redder and redder

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