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Lucylastic -> Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 6:48:15 AM)

Reports find that immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens

Immigrants commit crimes and are incarcerated at a much lower rate than U.S. citizens, according to two separate studies released this week.

A study by The Sentencing Project, a criminal justice research and advocacy group, found that "foreign-born residents of the United States commit crime less often than native-born citizens."

Another study, by the libertarian Cato Institute, compares incarceration rates by migratory status, ethnicity and gender.

"All immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives relative to their shares of the population," the Cato study reads.

On the campaign trail and as president, Donald Trump has portrayed illegal immigration as a dual risk: an economic threat and a source of increased crime.
Under President Trump's 2018 budget request, the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) budget would grow by $3 billion to fund his proposed border wall and executive orders on immigration.

When he launched his presidential bid, Trump said that illegal immigrants “are bringing crime.” And in speeches, he frequently mentions individuals whose loved ones have been killed by illegal immigrants.

"It's all enforcement-only, following the rhetoric of Trump that he used in the campaign and continues to use, making immigrants at fault for everything, from crime to the economy," said Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.).

But the two studies don’t point to immigrants posing more of a threat of crime than citizens born in the U.S.

Among people aged 18-54, 1.53 percent of natives are incarcerated, as are 0.85 percent of undocumented immigrants and 0.47 percent of documented immigrants, according to the Cato study of comparative incarceration rates.

The Cato study found that there are about 2 million U.S-born citizens, 123,000 undocumented immigrants and 64,000 documented foreign citizens in U.S. jails.

If natural-born citizens were incarcerated at the same rate as undocumented immigrants, "about 893,000 fewer natives would be incarcerated," read the study. Similarly, if native citizens were incarcerated at the same rate as documented immigrants, 1.4 million fewer would be in prison.

The Sentencing Project study even goes so far as to suggest that increased immigration "may have contributed to the historic drop in crime rates" since 1990.

While the study is "not definitive in proving causation," it links crime trends — 730 violent crimes per 100,000 citizens in 1990 compared to 362 per 100,000 in 2014 — and immigration trends in the same period. According to the study, there were 3.5 million undocumented immigrants in the country in 1990, and 11.1 million in 2014.



The reports can be found here
https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/immigration_brief-1.pdf
http://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Immigration-and-Public-Safety.pdf






NoirMetal -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 6:51:26 AM)

But it's illegals he is complaining about Lucy, not people who followed the process.

Perhaps committing a felony as your first action in coming here may leave you open to the idea of doing more as you fail to thrive? Just an idea.




BoscoX -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 6:55:39 AM)

Mexicans (primarily) and other "immigrants" are almost 25% of the U.S. prison population, despite comprising less than 15% of the population overall and illegal aliens (the real issue) being a much smaller fraction yet

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=immigrant+percent+of+US+population&*





Lucylastic -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 6:56:34 AM)

Sadly, it hasnt drifted well into some americans minds, such as those trump fans attacking lesbians, hindus, even attacking and killing them.
one story here
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/19/a-california-waiter-refused-to-serve-4-latina-women-until-he-saw-proof-of-residency/?utm_term=.6394eb4878d4

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/12/hate_in_america_a_list_of_racism_bigotry_and_abuse_since_the_election.html
Im posting a left wing sight but the links are real




BoscoX -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 6:57:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal

But it's illegals he is complaining about Lucy, not people who followed the process.

Perhaps committing a felony as your first action in coming here may leave you open to the idea of doing more as you fail to thrive? Just an idea.


Right, their not-so-slick propaganda machine keeps trying to imply that legal, controlled immigration is the issue. People are wise to them




BoscoX -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 6:59:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Sadly, it hasnt drifted well into some americans minds, such as those trump fans attacking lesbians, hindus, even attacking and killing them.
one story here
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/19/a-california-waiter-refused-to-serve-4-latina-women-until-he-saw-proof-of-residency/?utm_term=.6394eb4878d4


Earth to Crazy Lucy

Do you know what the term 'anecdotal evidence' means, or what it's value is? Because anecdotal evidence can be used to back literally the most extremist cause




Lucylastic -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 7:03:28 AM)

you are in denial, you are so sad.
You must be having such fun being Mr perfect with your slurs.
Now why cant you reply to the topic subject? and calm your self down.
I hope you will be watching Comey this morning.
Because Trumps anecdotal evidence is flimsier than your hold on reality.




BoscoX -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 7:07:16 AM)

I've got your anecdotal evidence, right here

Illegals in 9th-grade, 17 and 18, rape classmate, 14




Musicmystery -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 7:39:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal

But it's illegals he is complaining about Lucy, not people who followed the process.

Perhaps committing a felony as your first action in coming here may leave you open to the idea of doing more as you fail to thrive? Just an idea.

Or perhaps the threat of deportation encourages you to keep your head down and not attract unwanted attention.




Aylee -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 7:52:52 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Sadly, it hasnt drifted well into some americans minds, such as those trump fans attacking lesbians, hindus, even attacking and killing them.
one story here
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/19/a-california-waiter-refused-to-serve-4-latina-women-until-he-saw-proof-of-residency/?utm_term=.6394eb4878d4

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/12/hate_in_america_a_list_of_racism_bigotry_and_abuse_since_the_election.html
Im posting a left wing sight but the links are real


I have looked into the first story (because a friend posted it on facebook) and it seems that the restaurant had/has a discount given to the residents of Huntington Beach. So the waiter was asking for proof that they qualified for the discount.

As far as the second story you linked to, the SPLC promotes hate, so I have a hard time taking them seriously. Also, someone using a "naughty term" on facebook or twitter does not rise to the level of crime. Yep, they may be a douchebag, but that is not a crime.




Nnanji -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 8:14:39 AM)

My goodness, and that was the information Lucy was using to show that other people, besides her, hate?




mnottertail -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 8:20:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

My goodness, and that was the information Lucy was using to show that other people, besides her, hate?

I wouldnt be so quick to cockgargle, nutsucker, it seems that the proprietors were unaware of the discount policy:

http://abc7ny.com/news/waiter-fired-after-asking-diners-for-proof-of-residency/1808017/




BoscoX -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 8:26:01 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal

But it's illegals he is complaining about Lucy, not people who followed the process.

Perhaps committing a felony as your first action in coming here may leave you open to the idea of doing more as you fail to thrive? Just an idea.

Or perhaps the threat of deportation encourages you to keep your head down and not attract unwanted attention.


WHAT threat of deportation

Oh, right - we went third party this time around. Dumped the corrupt career politicians, and have a president who represents the people now

I almost forgot

Now we have that guy who shocks the holy fucking bejeezus out of everyone by working to keep his campaign pledges




Musicmystery -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 8:30:50 AM)

What an example of complete ignorance on what illegal aliens face.

Your buddy Obama even became known as the Deporter in Chief.

Your buddy Bush maintained we needed a way to integrate them.





mnottertail -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 8:40:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal

But it's illegals he is complaining about Lucy, not people who followed the process.

Perhaps committing a felony as your first action in coming here may leave you open to the idea of doing more as you fail to thrive? Just an idea.

Or perhaps the threat of deportation encourages you to keep your head down and not attract unwanted attention.


WHAT threat of deportation

Oh, right - we went third party this time around. Dumped the corrupt career politicians, and have a president who represents the people now

I almost forgot

Now we have that guy who shocks the holy fucking bejeezus out of everyone by working to keep his campaign pledges

Really Felchgobbbler?

Wheres all them jobs?
Did all the muslims get banned?
What are coal sales looking like?
Hows he doing protecting the LGBT community?
We doing a lot of infrastructure rebuilding?
How many pesos been ponied up on the wall?
Are we heavily surveilling mosques in the US?
We been taking care of the womenz?
Never take a vacation while serving as president?
Medical marijuana freely available whether states want it so or not?
Reduced the 18Trill debt?
Provide more money for drug treatment?
provide his taxes?

those are just a few. and others that he hasnt done or tried to do.




BoscoX -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 9:31:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What an example of complete ignorance on what illegal aliens face.

Your buddy Obama even became known as the Deporter in Chief.

Your buddy Bush maintained we needed a way to integrate them.




Your face has been pushed down on your "Deporter in Chief" propaganda lie so many times, if you were as evolved as a dog you would have learned to avoid that mistake a very long time ago.

Since you like that taste so much...

You are really telling us that you Obama Democrats are far worse racists than anyone else

You fools don't know what your message is

Here is the truth about your moronic, childish "deprter in chief" talking point

Actually, he was the liar-in-chief:


quote:



Debunking the Myth of Obama as ‘Deporter in Chief’
Outgoing administration used gimmicks to conceal the extent of its immigration lawlessness

The mainstream media and open borders advocates have done an outstanding job of painting President Obama’s administration as tough on immigration violators, even calling him “the Deporter in Chief.” Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the administration falsely painted itself as tough on immigration lawbreakers, while simultaneously eliminating most immigration enforcement, thereby endangering both national security and public safety.

This administration’s deportation statistics were deliberately manipulated to mislead the public. Deportations — the removal of immigration violators arrested in the interior of the United States — have fallen steadily since President Obama’s first year in office and have declined over 40 percent since the Bush administration.

More









Musicmystery -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 10:03:14 AM)

Your little snippet admits there were deportations, however many, so there's your answer to "what threat of deportation."

Ignorant twat.




mnottertail -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 10:30:53 AM)

cockgargling isnt fact.

https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2016
http://bipartisanpolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/default/files/files/Interior%20Immigration%20Enforcement.pdf

So, the fact that Obama is numerate and can show you that border agents are becoming increasingly better at capturing illegals at the border, is why you are shitting your pants, because now you have been exposed about your build a wall and make mexico pay for it cockgargling, turns out not to be as bright a turd as you nutsuckers love to polish. Seems the only porous thing in these conversations is your crippled bit of brain stem.




Lucylastic -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 10:41:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Sadly, it hasnt drifted well into some americans minds, such as those trump fans attacking lesbians, hindus, even attacking and killing them.
one story here
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/19/a-california-waiter-refused-to-serve-4-latina-women-until-he-saw-proof-of-residency/?utm_term=.6394eb4878d4

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/12/hate_in_america_a_list_of_racism_bigotry_and_abuse_since_the_election.html
Im posting a left wing sight but the links are real


I have looked into the first story (because a friend posted it on facebook) and it seems that the restaurant had/has a discount given to the residents of Huntington Beach. So the waiter was asking for proof that they qualified for the discount.

As far as the second story you linked to, the SPLC promotes hate, so I have a hard time taking them seriously. Also, someone using a "naughty term" on facebook or twitter does not rise to the level of crime. Yep, they may be a douchebag, but that is not a crime.


so you are ignoring violence because of the SPLC
not surprised







Nnanji -> RE: Reports finds immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens (3/20/2017 10:44:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What an example of complete ignorance on what illegal aliens face.

Your buddy Obama even became known as the Deporter in Chief.

Your buddy Bush maintained we needed a way to integrate them.



Obama became the Deporter in Chief by changing how deportations were counted. In order to look tough he began to count people turned away at the border while trying to cross. That had never been done before. It, like most things lefty, was a political lie.




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