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What might be useful in these conversations is separating "the left" from "the Democratic Party".

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
I would like it if people knew the difference between democrat, liberal, socialist and marxism etc etc
Its like calling the freedom caucus moderate

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Mostly foreign and alternate media sources. I take it as a given that absolutely nothing that appears in legacy media is presented in a way designed to educate me.

The other thing I'm checking though is the actual reports that are issued by the government. You'll note that so far, we have seen exactly one piece of "evidence" and it's weak as hell. We saw a fingerprint of some code that the IC thinks is Russian in origin. Of course, who developed that code originally doesn't have anything to do with who used it... as the most recent wikileaks demonstrates oh so clearly.

So at this point what I've got is an appeal to authority... the authority of the IC. Honestly, given how consistently the intelligence community has lied I'm afraid that they are going to have to "show me". In the mean time, all I see is political theater.... really REALLY dangerous political theater. I fault the Democratic party heavily for it's handling of both health care and the global financial crisis. But this Russia thing is starting to get to the top of my list of reasons to never vote for a Democrat. A willingness to court global destruction to win an election is just a bit too far for me.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Thank you for contributing.

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC



I just watched an interesting video from a guy talking about Obama's efforts in Syria. In short, it was a GWB moment... lying us into war.

From 1776 until today, which war have we been in that we were not lied into?

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What If George W. Bush Spied on Obama in 2008?

RUSH: So you know what the media soap opera script for today is? It is get rid of Devin Nunes, the chairman of the House Intel Committee. Now, I know this may get tiresome to some people, and I know that I oftentimes have to caution you that it requires repetition to really indel a point into people’s minds. But I cannot help but play the old game, what if this was Obama in this entire Devin Nunes and Russia and Trump intel story? For instance. Well, okay, let me set the table.



The Democrats want Nunes to recuse himself from the House Intelligence Committee. He’s the chairman. They want him to go because they think, because he went to the White House the day before he shared some intel data with Trump, that he was up there colluding with Trump, even though he’s denied it. Even though what he did was no big deal whatsoever, they’re trying to scandalize all Republican behavior and they want him to recuse himself, and they’re mounting pressure on Nunes to do this.

He says he’s not gonna do it, thank goodness. The Republicans have become known as the recusal party, so I’m glad that Nunes is hanging tough. But what if this were Obama? For instance, what if there was evidence that the Bush administration had sicced the FBI on the Obama campaign in 2008? Take everything that’s happened, move it to 2008 and change the players and we learn that George W. Bush had called up his buddies at the FBI and told them to start gathering information, wiretaps, whatever, intercepts on the Obama campaign and then the Obama transition.

And what if the Bush FBI and the Bush NSA had incidentally monitored the phone calls of Obama’s aides and even Obama himself? Meaning, what if the Bush people had targeted foreign bad actors and those bad actors happened to be in touch with members of the Obama transition tame, as is always the case, and so incidentally the Bush team picked up intel on some of the Obama people, for instance, like Eric Holder, who was going to be attorney general. Or if they had been spying on James Clapper, who was gonna head up the office of national intelligence.

Imagine if the Bush administration had been monitoring the phone calls of Obama’s aides, maybe even Obama himself. And what if that information was carefully preserved by the Bush administration and then shared with 16 other intelligence agencies around the world, including some of those run by foreign governments?

And what if some of the names of the Obama people were illegally unmasked, as Michael Flynn’s name has been? What if there were two months of stories in the New York Times and the Washington Post — I take it back — what if there were two months of stories on Fox News and here on this program reporting leaks, intelligence community detailing the actions taken by Obama administration and transition officials?

What if — let’s keep going — what if the head of the House committee investigating all of this were to come up with further evidence of this monitoring and this illegal unmasking and went up to Obama and then to the press with his news?

Do you think the media would be furious with that guy? Do you think the media would be demanding that he resign? Do you think the media would be ignoring the rest of the story? Do you think if any of this were reversed the media would be piling on Obama, demanding explanations of Obama, demanding that Obama aides resign, demanding that Obama aides recuse themselves?

Do you think the media would take up and defend the George W. Bush people for the leaking, defend the George Bush people for spreading intel over 16 agencies, do you think any of that would be happening? Do you think the media would be ignoring the story? Do you think the media would be ignoring any bit of intel produced that cast shadows over Obama transition and administration officials?



No.

If all of this had happened in 2008 to Barack Obama, it would have been 100 times bigger than Watergate. It’s the only way to look at this. These people are literally out of their minds with hatred and opposition and disgust.

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The left doesn't require any real evidence before pronouncing guilt, this should be enough to arrest Obama and frog march his ass into his mugshot photo op eh