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mnottertail -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/26/2017 5:09:57 AM)
Oh sorry, not different at all. first it is clearly unconstitutional as your national ccw is. there is no constitutional right to carry concealed. It is not within the constitution that the federal government can tell the states that they cannot put reasonable restrictions on firearms, and you can see the SCOTUS for confirmation. Additionally, there is no constitutional commision that says the fed has the right to determine who is and who is not a dangerous person to that public. Note that Texas has a long history of convicting and killing retarded people.

BamaD -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/26/2017 10:33:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Oh sorry, not different at all. first it is clearly unconstitutional as your national ccw is. there is no constitutional right to carry concealed. It is not within the constitution that the federal government can tell the states that they cannot put reasonable restrictions on firearms, and you can see the SCOTUS for confirmation. Additionally, there is no constitutional commision that says the fed has the right to determine who is and who is not a dangerous person to that public. Note that Texas has a long history of convicting and killing retarded people. The Constitution does not say you cannot carry concealed. In fact , as someone else pointed out concealed carry was the norm. Long coats were in fashion and handguns would normally be carried under them. Then, as now gun owners didn't want to make people uncomfortable by carrying in the open unless they expected a fight.

mnottertail -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/26/2017 1:28:31 PM)
The constitution does not say you cannot restrict gun carry to exclude concealed either (among the other restrictions that are able to do with guns). the long coats werent for concealing anything, They rode horses, didnt they? You been watching too many nutsucker movies. Remember, most frontier towns required you turn your guns in or go to jail or get shot, they didnt give a fuck, that was the actual situation.

BamaD -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/26/2017 1:33:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The constitution does not say you cannot restrict gun carry to exclude concealed either (among the other restrictions that are able to do with guns). the long coats werent for concealing anything, They rode horses, didnt they? You been watching too many nutsucker movies. Remember, most frontier towns required you turn your guns in or go to jail or get shot, they didnt give a fuck, that was the actual situation. I never said they wore the coats to conceal their firearms, I said that because of the coats they would generally carry concealed.

BamaD -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/26/2017 1:36:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The constitution does not say you cannot restrict gun carry to exclude concealed either (among the other restrictions that are able to do with guns). the long coats werent for concealing anything, They rode horses, didnt they? You been watching too many nutsucker movies. Remember, most frontier towns required you turn your guns in or go to jail or get shot, they didnt give a fuck, that was the actual situation. If you study more carefully you will find that guns were banned from certain parts of town, like the street where most of the bars were. You will also find that "lawmen" inored the rest of the Constitutional rights as well.

mnottertail -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/26/2017 1:48:04 PM)
Yeah if you study real carefully, (oh I dont know tombstone for instance), you will see that as usual you are making shit up, as pointed out with the dusters as the method to conceal....LOLOLOLOL. You checked your guns in most of the bigger frontier or cattle towns at the stable or town law office (sheriff marshall, whatever).

BamaD -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/26/2017 4:37:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Yeah if you study real carefully, (oh I dont know tombstone for instance), you will see that as usual you are making shit up, as pointed out with the dusters as the method to conceal....LOLOLOLOL. You checked your guns in most of the bigger frontier or cattle towns at the stable or town law office (sheriff marshall, whatever). In Dodge they were banned north of the railroad tracks, and movies to the contrary in Tombstone they were banned on front street. As I have pointed out before using the cow town for Constitutional precedence is almost as bad as using Nazi Germany. In many cases bandits became lawmen to gain immunity from crimes committed in other places, the towns were ok with this because in took him out of circulation and put him on their side.

BamaD -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/26/2017 4:42:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Yeah if you study real carefully, (oh I dont know tombstone for instance), you will see that as usual you are making shit up, as pointed out with the dusters as the method to conceal....LOLOLOLOL. You checked your guns in most of the bigger frontier or cattle towns at the stable or town law office (sheriff marshall, whatever). Towns people carried in their pockets like the Earps did while cowboys and such carried in holsters like the Clantons and company did. Again they didn't wear those coats to conceal their weapons but it did work out that way. Still none of this has the first thing to do will the constitutionality of concealed carry.

thompsonx -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/26/2017 4:50:44 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD Towns people carried in their pockets Cite please like the Earps did while cowboys and such carried in holsters like the Clantons and company did. Only movie cowboys carry...real cowboys did not have enough money to buy a gun. Again they didn't wear those coats to conceal their weapons but it did work out that way. Why would a townie wear a duster? Still none of this has the first thing to do will the constitutionality of concealed carry. Then by what authority does the congress seek to legalize it via 'reciprocity'?

BamaD -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/26/2017 8:16:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: BamaD Towns people carried in their pockets Cite please like the Earps did while cowboys and such carried in holsters like the Clantons and company did. Only movie cowboys carry...real cowboys did not have enough money to buy a gun. Again they didn't wear those coats to conceal their weapons but it did work out that way. Why would a townie wear a duster? Still none of this has the first thing to do will the constitutionality of concealed carry. Then by what authority does the congress seek to legalize it via 'reciprocity'? A There is plenty of photographic evidence that cowboys actually did carry guns. Particularly if they are rustlers like the gang the Clanton family founded which they called the cowboys. B I never said the townees wore dusters, I said they wore coats, not all coats were dusters, or didn't you know that. C Congress's authority to do this is demonstrated from two directions. 1. The same Constitutional provision that says states have to accept both MLs and DLs issued in other states. 2. If Congress can ban guns that look like assault weapons they can require you to accept out of state ccw's .

thompsonx -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/27/2017 4:03:38 AM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD ORIGINAL: thompsonx Towns people carried in their pockets Cite please like the Earps did while cowboys and such carried in holsters like the Clantons and company did. Only movie cowboys carry...real cowboys did not have enough money to buy a gun. Again they didn't wear those coats to conceal their weapons but it did work out that way. Why would a townie wear a duster? Still none of this has the first thing to do will the constitutionality of concealed carry. Then by what authority does the congress seek to legalize it via 'reciprocity'? A There is plenty of photographic evidence that cowboys actually did carry guns. There are a greater number of photographs that show just the opposite. That is not to say that some cowboys did have guns but that it was not the norm. Guns are cheap today but in the late 19th century a colt saa cost ($17.00 plus shipping and handling)nearly a months pay for a cowboy making $20-$30 per month. Today cowboys make about $2,000 per month and a good gun will run you under $500. https://www.indeed.com/salaries/Ranch-Hand-Salaries B I never said the townees wore dusters, I said they wore coats, not all coats were dusters, or didn't you know that. A distinction without a difference. In the southwest the climate precludes the wearing of coats for most of the year just as the climate in alabama precludes wearing a coat most of the year. C Congress's authority to do this is demonstrated from two directions. 1. The same Constitutional provision that says states have to accept both MLs and DLs issued in other states. There are parts of alabama who still do not accept m.l. of same sex couples. 2. If Congress can ban guns that look like assault weapons they can require you to accept out of state ccw's . As you well know congress can do pretty much as it pleases until you vote them out.

BamaD -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/27/2017 2:36:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: BamaD ORIGINAL: thompsonx Towns people carried in their pockets Cite please like the Earps did while cowboys and such carried in holsters like the Clantons and company did. Only movie cowboys carry...real cowboys did not have enough money to buy a gun. Again they didn't wear those coats to conceal their weapons but it did work out that way. Why would a townie wear a duster? Still none of this has the first thing to do will the constitutionality of concealed carry. Then by what authority does the congress seek to legalize it via 'reciprocity'? A There is plenty of photographic evidence that cowboys actually did carry guns. There are a greater number of photographs that show just the opposite. That is not to say that some cowboys did have guns but that it was not the norm. Guns are cheap today but in the late 19th century a colt saa cost ($17.00 plus shipping and handling)nearly a months pay for a cowboy making $20-$30 per month. Today cowboys make about $2,000 per month and a good gun will run you under $500. https://www.indeed.com/salaries/Ranch-Hand-Salaries B I never said the townees wore dusters, I said they wore coats, not all coats were dusters, or didn't you know that. A distinction without a difference. In the southwest the climate precludes the wearing of coats for most of the year just as the climate in alabama precludes wearing a coat most of the year. C Congress's authority to do this is demonstrated from two directions. 1. The same Constitutional provision that says states have to accept both MLs and DLs issued in other states. There are parts of alabama who still do not accept m.l. of same sex couples. 2. If Congress can ban guns that look like assault weapons they can require you to accept out of state ccw's . As you well know congress can do pretty much as it pleases until you vote them out. I will no longer participate in the derailment of the discussion. Therefore beyond the fact that in the west the constitution was so regularly ignore so as to make it a worthless example of what it says. Beyond that you are behind on more modern information as Alabama is required to not only accept but issue same sex MLs. Finally you stated that Congress can do whatever they want to so you clearly agree that they can give us universal reciprocity.

Lucylastic -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/27/2017 3:10:39 PM)
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/north-fulton-county/parents-question-father-who-legally-brought-gun-to-trampoline-park/505907592 NORTH FULTON COUNTY, Ga. - Some parents are questioning a father’s decision after he legally took his handgun into a popular trampoline park. Police were called out to a Skyzone indoor trampoline park in Roswell on Sunday afternoon. The general manager reported that a man brought a gun inside and proceeded to jump on the trampolines with the gun in his holster. The manager said police were called because the man refused to store his weapon in his car. The man, who Channel 2 Action News is not identifying, said he keeps his gun on him at all times to protect his children. “I guess the guy felt that since there wasn’t a sign up, that he could carry his gun in there,” resident Vincent Freeman said. The father said he has a concealed carry permit and the business did not have a “no weapons” sign posted. Roswell police said it’s up to individual businesses to post if they don’t want guns inside. They said the man was not breaking any laws. “The way the laws are now, I don’t suppose he was. I don’t think it was a wise decision on his part,” resident Georgia Kraff said. Some customers said just because you can bring a gun doesn’t mean you should. “I think there is no reason to have a gun in a place where there’s kids, and definitely no reason to have a gun while you’re jumping,” parent Judith Forgoston said. The manager said this is a rare occasion and he does not plan on posting signs prohibiting guns.

bounty44 -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/27/2017 3:27:54 PM)
bama, what sort of madness has possessed you such that you wanted to try, yet again, to carry on a rational discussion with those two trolls?

Lucylastic -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/27/2017 3:29:00 PM)
He wanted to whine. Like you. fighting with Ron pathetic.

BamaD -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/27/2017 4:13:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 bama, what sort of madness has possessed you such that you wanted to try, yet again, to carry on a rational discussion with those two trolls? Not sure.

Wayward5oul -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/27/2017 4:35:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/north-fulton-county/parents-question-father-who-legally-brought-gun-to-trampoline-park/505907592 NORTH FULTON COUNTY, Ga. - Some parents are questioning a father’s decision after he legally took his handgun into a popular trampoline park. Police were called out to a Skyzone indoor trampoline park in Roswell on Sunday afternoon. The general manager reported that a man brought a gun inside and proceeded to jump on the trampolines with the gun in his holster. The manager said police were called because the man refused to store his weapon in his car. The man, who Channel 2 Action News is not identifying, said he keeps his gun on him at all times to protect his children. “I guess the guy felt that since there wasn’t a sign up, that he could carry his gun in there,” resident Vincent Freeman said. The father said he has a concealed carry permit and the business did not have a “no weapons” sign posted. Roswell police said it’s up to individual businesses to post if they don’t want guns inside. They said the man was not breaking any laws. Unless you count laws of intelligence. quote: “The way the laws are now, I don’t suppose he was. I don’t think it was a wise decision on his part,” resident Georgia Kraff said. Some customers said just because you can bring a gun doesn’t mean you should. “I think there is no reason to have a gun in a place where there’s kids, and definitely no reason to have a gun while you’re jumping,” parent Judith Forgoston said. The manager said this is a rare occasion and he does not plan on posting signs prohibiting guns. I would think his insurer might have an opinion on that policy. At least regarding clients removing guns prior to entering the trampoline areas. Parents can go and watch their kids from observation areas, they don't have to ever step onto trampolines themselves, unless they just want to. So there is always the possibility of having a policy of no guns in trampoline areas, same as no shoes in the trampoline areas.

thompsonx -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/27/2017 9:11:10 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD ORIGINAL: thompsonx Towns people carried in their pockets Cite please like the Earps did while cowboys and such carried in holsters like the Clantons and company did. Only movie cowboys carry...real cowboys did not have enough money to buy a gun. Again they didn't wear those coats to conceal their weapons but it did work out that way. Why would a townie wear a duster? Still none of this has the first thing to do will the constitutionality of concealed carry. Then by what authority does the congress seek to legalize it via 'reciprocity'? A There is plenty of photographic evidence that cowboys actually did carry guns. There are a greater number of photographs that show just the opposite. That is not to say that some cowboys did have guns but that it was not the norm. Guns are cheap today but in the late 19th century a colt saa cost ($17.00 plus shipping and handling)nearly a months pay for a cowboy making $20-$30 per month. Today cowboys make about $2,000 per month and a good gun will run you under $500. https://www.indeed.com/salaries/Ranch-Hand-Salaries B I never said the townees wore dusters, I said they wore coats, not all coats were dusters, or didn't you know that. A distinction without a difference. In the southwest the climate precludes the wearing of coats for most of the year just as the climate in alabama precludes wearing a coat most of the year. C Congress's authority to do this is demonstrated from two directions. 1. The same Constitutional provision that says states have to accept both MLs and DLs issued in other states. There are parts of alabama who still do not accept m.l. of same sex couples. 2. If Congress can ban guns that look like assault weapons they can require you to accept out of state ccw's . As you well know congress can do pretty much as it pleases until you vote them out. I will no longer participate in the derailment of the discussion. Break my phoquing heart sweet cheeks. If you cannot defend your position then shut the phoque up. No one gives a shit. Therefore beyond the fact that in the west the constitution was so regularly ignore so as to make it a worthless example of what it says. White christian amerikans are pretty good at ignoring the constitution when is suits them. You are a shining example. Beyond that you are behind on more modern information as Alabama is required to not only accept but issue same sex MLs. There are 8 counties in alabama that refuse to issue any marriage licenses in order to keep from issuing any to same sex couples. More white christian amerikans ignoring the constitution. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. Finally you stated that Congress can do whatever they want to so you clearly agree that they can give us universal reciprocity. That is only part of what I said. I asked by what authority can congress pass a reciprosity law? You being a prototypical white christian amerikan choose to ignore the entirety of my post and fall into lock step with the klan and other haters of the amerikan constitution.

BamaD -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/27/2017 9:28:30 PM)
That is only part of what I said. I asked by what authority can congress pass a reciprosity law? You being a prototypical white christian amerikan choose to ignore the entirety of my post and fall into lock step with the klan and other haters of the amerikan constitution. I had already given you two precedents for their passing a reciprocity law rather than deal with them you gave me a stupid comment about Congress being able to do what they want. It was you and not me who ignored substance. what's more , while I doubt you realize that with your claim that 8 counties ignore the law it ignores that the rest of the state in obeying the court order to recognize those MLs and the other 8 will be forced to comply. Finally you resorted to a slur about your presumption of my being a racist. If you don't want a civil conversation just say so and I will pit you back on hold.

thompsonx -> RE: National ccw reciprocity will allow "dangerous perple to legally carry firearms. (3/27/2017 9:45:38 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD That is only part of what I said. I asked by what authority can congress pass a reciprosity law? You being a prototypical white christian amerikan choose to ignore the entirety of my post and fall into lock step with the klan and other haters of the amerikan constitution. I had already given you two precedents for their passing a reciprocity law I did not ask for precedents i asked for the authority...as in where in the constitution does it give congress the authority to do so. That congress regularly does things that are against the constitution is common knowledge and often overturned by the scotus. I doubt you realize that with your claim that 8 counties ignore the law it ignores that the rest of the state in obeying the court order to recognize those MLs and the other 8 will be forced to comply. How will that be accomplished? They have refused to issue any marriage licenses. That is a techinicality that gets them off the hook. Finally you resorted to a slur about your presumption of my being a racist. Dude...your racial attitudes are a mater of public record on this forum. If you don't want a civil conversation just say so and I will pit you back on hold. You and not me decides to whom you respond. When you post lies and ignorance I point it out. Deal with it how you choose.

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