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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 5:22:42 AM   
Milesnmiles


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Status: offline 		I believe war to be a colossally bad idea, that being said; from the beginning of time, war has resulted in the death of “civilians”, sometimes whole cities would be razed with every man, woman and child being put to death.

Just look at WWII for example, what with the firebombing of Dresden and the nuking of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, it is hard to think that “zero civilian casualties” was a major concern, in fact it looks more like “civilian casualties” were considered to be one of the keys to victory.

So, the idea of war with “zero civilian casualties” is a fairly recent concept, an attempt to sanitize warfare, if you don’t kill any “civilians” then you’re the “Good Guys”. Which leads the “Bad Guys” to hang out in “civilian” areas, to stay in the basements of hospitals and orphanages or surround themselves with “civilian” hostages, thus resulting in lots of “civilian” casualties so the “Good Guys” can be labeled “Bad Guys”.

But in War there are no “Good Guys” or “Bad Guys” there are only “winners” and “losers” and the faster the war is over the better for everyone, especially “civilians”.

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 5:22:52 AM   
Politesub53


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Status: offline 		Lucy.......I blame you for voting for Blair.......... xx

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 5:24:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

I believe war to be a colossally bad idea, that being said; from the beginning of time, war has resulted in the death of “civilians”, sometimes whole cities would be razed with every man, woman and child being put to death.

Just look at WWII for example, what with the firebombing of Dresden and the nuking of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, it is hard to think that “zero civilian casualties” was a major concern, in fact it looks more like “civilian casualties” were considered to be one of the keys to victory.

So, the idea of war with “zero civilian casualties” is a fairly recent concept, an attempt to sanitize warfare, if you don’t kill any “civilians” then you’re the “Good Guys”. Which leads the “Bad Guys” to hang out in “civilian” areas, to stay in the basements of hospitals and orphanages or surround themselves with “civilian” hostages, thus resulting in lots of “civilian” casualties so the “Good Guys” can be labeled “Bad Guys”.

But in War there are no “Good Guys” or “Bad Guys” there are only “winners” and “losers” and the faster the war is over the better for everyone, especially “civilians”.


Good post.

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 5:30:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		but the yemen attack was obamas fault...
apparently Scrotus cant take responsibility for anything...


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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 5:33:10 AM   
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Lucy.......I blame you for voting for Blair.......... xx

I had left by then...
I wouldnt have voted for him either, Ive only fucked up once:)
edited to say
Politically that is... regular fuck ups and I are not strangers.
I try to keep them to a minimum

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 5:37:50 AM   
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but the yemen attack was obamas fault...
apparently Scrotus cant take responsibility for anything...



thats the one thing thats been highly noticable about trump since he first announced he was going to run for office.

Nothing is ever his fault.... If I was Spicer or Conway I would keep checking for a knife in the back, because when Trump cant blame Obama or the Dems, he will surely turn on his closest staff.

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 5:51:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Henceforth we should stop using the term 'collateral damage' as it is clearly an Orwellian (govt.) euphemism. It's a term clearly designed to clean it up as if to say, well...it's just ok.

Society becomes inured to the idea that somehow it isn't collateral murder. At the very least, it is collateral deaths.

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 10:28:32 AM   
WyrdRich


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Status: offline 		Nice to see the lefties and their foreign cheerleaders are upset about war again. Shame they burned all their credibility with eight years of silence. Just a bunch of useless fucks co-opted as partisan tools.

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 10:29:45 AM   
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Your head has been in the partisan sand. There have been continual protests since Bush and continuing through Obama to the present day.

And, her hawkish stance is among the reason Hilary couldn't bring the progressive vote.

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 10:51:05 AM   
WyrdRich


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Status: offline 		Dream on with your revisionist history, Muse. The peace movement was a non entity for the duration of O'fuckups presidency. That was partly attributable to what amounted to a media blackout of the actual believers, but mostly it was lack of interest as soon as it didn't fit the partisan template.

Nope. Yammer away, but only the choir is listening. It ain't a very good choir either.

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 10:56:02 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Sure, sure. How's the sand?

Sticking your fingers in your ears doesn't make it untrue.

Maybe if you stomp your feet and hold your breath until you turn blue?

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 10:57:25 AM   
WyrdRich


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Status: offline 		Pretty pathetic, Muse. Did you get your turn to fuck Cindy Sheehan?

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 10:58:57 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Okie dokie. I'm not interested in playing during children's hour.

Have fun storming the castle.

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 11:05:44 AM   
WyrdRich


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Status: offline 		Actually, the sand is currently covered with tiny yellow flowers, the hills are covered with poppies, and it's a lovely day for a drive with the top down. Enjoy rewriting history to make yourself look like less of a tool. Maybe you'll need to scratch up the bathroom mirror too, so you won't have to look in your own eyes afterward.

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 1:07:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting that the nutsucker tools find ways to felchgobble.

I think you will find the movement went to Sanders. And it is still there.



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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 1:17:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, Ron you silly old fart. Why don't you tell us how President Trump can start any wars he wants without Congress having any say, the way you did when O'fuckup turned Libya into chaos?

No? Just more gobblygook from the depends gallery? What else should anyone expect from the likes of you?

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 1:26:55 PM   
WickedsDesire


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Status: offline 		Ah - I forgot to start that thread earlier.

UN fears 200 died in coalition air strikes on Mosul http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-39383989 well as long as the Amercanshire jackals raped the corpses later in the name of god and shagged 40 virgins a piece - it all seems totally fair to I

Any virgins on here?

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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 1:43:35 PM   
WyrdRich


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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 2:58:30 PM   
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Damn. I was hoping you were on the bridge



Rich, you know trolls live UNDER bridges!



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RE: oh shit - 3/25/2017 4:03:15 PM   
mnottertail


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Oh, Ron you silly old fart. Why don't you tell us how President Trump can start any wars he wants without Congress having any say, the way you did when O'fuckup turned Libya into chaos?

No? Just more gobblygook from the depends gallery? What else should anyone expect from the likes of you?

I didnt. Thats pure nutsucker that war shit, but they are all cowards, never actually serve. Obama had an OK from the nutsuckers its called the carte blanche AUMF. Now you nutsuckers are cheering the buffoon trump in Yemen.



So, yes, just more nutsucker asswpe from you, nobody expects anything but toiletlicking from you Rich, you're one of those facts dont matter retarded nutsuckers, make it up as you go along..

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