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Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 9:02:34 AM   
WickedsDesire


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Status: offline 		Ohio nightclub shooting: One dead, 14 injured, police say

One person has been killed and 14 injured in a shooting at the Cameo Night Club in Cincinnati, Ohio.
Police initially said at least two shooters were involved, but Cincinnati Assistant Police Chief Paul Neudigate has since tweeted that there is "only one reported shooter".

There was no indication the shooting was terror-related, he said.
Several people have life-threatening injuries, Mr Neudigate told news channel WLWT-TV.

"We are in the middle of a very horrific situation that occurred at the nightclub with multiple victims. It's going to be a long night for our homicide units to investigate," he said.

Full article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39397938
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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 9:55:10 AM   
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Ohio nightclub shooting: One dead, 14 injured, police say

One person has been killed and 14 injured in a shooting at the Cameo Night Club in Cincinnati, Ohio.
Police initially said at least two shooters were involved, but Cincinnati Assistant Police Chief Paul Neudigate has since tweeted that there is "only one reported shooter".

There was no indication the shooting was terror-related, he said.
Several people have life-threatening injuries, Mr Neudigate told news channel WLWT-TV.

"We are in the middle of a very horrific situation that occurred at the nightclub with multiple victims. It's going to be a long night for our homicide units to investigate," he said.

Full article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39397938




Except the latest news indicates the majority of the victims sustained injuries trying to get out of the building, the shooting started after some sort of argument, and the shooter, contrary to what you seem to wish to imply, is not representative of all gun owners.

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 10:15:46 AM   
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Ohio nightclub shooting: One dead, 14 injured, police say

One person has been killed and 14 injured in a shooting at the Cameo Night Club in Cincinnati, Ohio.
Police initially said at least two shooters were involved, but Cincinnati Assistant Police Chief Paul Neudigate has since tweeted that there is "only one reported shooter".

There was no indication the shooting was terror-related, he said.
Several people have life-threatening injuries, Mr Neudigate told news channel WLWT-TV.

"We are in the middle of a very horrific situation that occurred at the nightclub with multiple victims. It's going to be a long night for our homicide units to investigate," he said.

Full article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39397938




Except the latest news indicates the majority of the victims sustained injuries trying to get out of the building, the shooting started after some sort of argument, and the shooter, contrary to what you seem to wish to imply, is not representative of all gun owners.

As usual massive distortion.
Here, I don't know about Ohio, they broke the law just by having a gun in a bar.

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 10:19:53 AM   
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Ohio nightclub shooting: One dead, 14 injured, police say

One person has been killed and 14 injured in a shooting at the Cameo Night Club in Cincinnati, Ohio.
Police initially said at least two shooters were involved, but Cincinnati Assistant Police Chief Paul Neudigate has since tweeted that there is "only one reported shooter".

There was no indication the shooting was terror-related, he said.
Several people have life-threatening injuries, Mr Neudigate told news channel WLWT-TV.

"We are in the middle of a very horrific situation that occurred at the nightclub with multiple victims. It's going to be a long night for our homicide units to investigate," he said.

Full article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39397938




Except the latest news indicates the majority of the victims sustained injuries trying to get out of the building, the shooting started after some sort of argument, and the shooter, contrary to what you seem to wish to imply, is not representative of all gun owners.

As usual massive distortion.
Here, I don't know about Ohio, they broke the law just by having a gun in a bar.



In Texas, all a business has to do is post a notice that makes it clear that weapons are not allowed in the establishment by the wishes of the owners, and then constitutional carry, 2nd amendment etc don't mean squat, its a felony with a five year minimum penalty.

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 10:25:57 AM   
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Has any bar owner (or the owner of any other "leave it in the car" business) been subjected to pickets by gun enthusiasts for exercising that legal right?

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 10:53:11 AM   
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Here, I don't know about Ohio, they broke the law just by having a gun in a bar.

Concealed carry in establishments that serve liquor is legal in Ohio.

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/Pages/LawYouCanUse-704.aspx

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 11:00:13 AM   
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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 11:55:26 AM   
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I am forever fascinated at Amercashire jackals killing themselves at the rate of 30,000-35,000 per annum. That is a truly incredible number. And how I laugh when a 2 year kid blows its mums brains all over the windscreen – cracks me up every time i repetitively read that one, or its similar variants.

Still, one dead what is he a bad shot and fuking blind?

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 1:59:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is different here than where you live Wick. We are stock full of lawless people. So much so that we need guns. Nobody fucking cares here. They will shoot you for your tennis shoes. Do they do that where you live ? I've been shot, have you ? And you should have seen the mess my people made after that. I did not call for it, they did it on their own. Hell even my sister broke a thousand dollar mirror in a bar, and that was before I got shot.

We are a bunch of rebels, and actually proud of it. You can have your civilised ways but most people here reject that. Just look at the actions of the US government that most people support. (at least for now) Regime change for the sake of oil. No problem. There is no mafia, but the US government comes very close to the colloquial definition of it. Protection rackets, all that. No private entity could have gotten away with one tenth of what the US government has has, here and abroad.

We have our nuts, that comes with the territory, which we stole in the first place. Most of the world hates us and mostly for good reason. But we got five thousand square foot houses and ten acre yards. We got SUVs that use more gas than ten of your vehicles. Our kids get a smartphone when they are like five years old. We have 36 inch monitors for our computers. We can change your government on a whim.

This is the US.

It takes force to maintain this. For wrong or right, and believe me I think it is wrong. But that is the way it is. We got a half trillion dollar offense budget, we defend you and a whole bunch of others. And we are doing it on credit.

You got nothing to say boy.

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 2:12:58 PM   
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I am forever fascinated at Amercashire jackals killing themselves at the rate of 30,000-35,000 per annum. That is a truly incredible number.


I recognize you number range as that originating from the CDC, and most commonly used by anti-gun organizations. What they do not tell you is that 20,000 to 25,000 of those are suicides, and it also includes legal use in law enforcement. 10,000 is still a tragedy, and I would love to see that number drop to zero. However violence, in all its forms, is still part of the human condition. Addressing this is a mater of culture, not manufacturing.

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 3:06:53 PM   
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A civilised arrangement, that.
Has any bar owner (or the owner of any other "leave it in the car" business) been subjected to pickets by gun enthusiasts for exercising that legal right?


Actually, not really.

There have been a few of the idiots who have tried the 'constitutional open carry' protests carrying AR type rifles into a few restaurants with these notifications and when informed by law enforcement that the owner's right to deny the carrying of firearms in his or her establishment has equal stand under the constitution, and since technically it IS his/her property, his/her rights exceed the gun owners.

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I distort nothing at all. I can you know.

I am forever fascinated at Amercashire jackals killing themselves at the rate of 30,000-35,000 per annum. That is a truly incredible number. And how I laugh when a 2 year kid blows its mums brains all over the windscreen – cracks me up every time i repetitively read that one, or its similar variants.

Still, one dead what is he a bad shot and fuking blind?




Yep, great number 30000 to 35000, big number even....


I guess it does not matter that 60% of those people committed suicide and would have found some other way to kill themselves?

That leaves 14000 that died at the hands of another person.

So, why not post relevant statistics.

I think it is funny as hell when someone posts that number and then compares it to the rest of the world proclaiming that the US leads the world in gun deaths.

Well, in a way that is true, the US leads the world in gun deaths IF you through out every country that is not a 'developed' nation.

When you compare the US just to those in the Western Hemisphere, the US drops to 18th, and of course the countries beating it have problems with drug cartels, etc... and private ownership of guns in almost ALL of those countries is illegal.

When you compare the US to the rest of the world, excluding those countries where there are armed conflicts, the US falls rises to 12th over all, and just about every country that is ahead of it has some very draconian anti gun laws in place, i.e commit a crime using a gun you are executed.

And there are even smaller countries that beat the US in gun related deaths each year, also not involved in armed conflict, just have a major problem with drug cartels.

So, the issue is clearly NOT the fact that the US has a lot of gun related deaths, because as I pointed out there are countries that have more gun related deaths than the US, and also have laws preventing private gun ownership (pretty much shoots the 'outlaw guns and gun violence goes away' argument in the ass.)

No the issue for all non Americans who live in countries who do not allow private gun ownership is that we are not doing what the fuck everyone else is doing.

So let me ask you a simple question:
Those no private gun ownership laws in France sure worked wonders to prevent gun crime didn't they?

Oh, wait, they didn't.

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 4:52:17 PM   
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A civilised arrangement, that.
Has any bar owner (or the owner of any other "leave it in the car" business) been subjected to pickets by gun enthusiasts for exercising that legal right?

We have one chain here that says you can't even have one in the car (even though the law they quote doesn't go near that far) And there has been no picketing or protests.
Most people who carry will have violated their policy before they know about it. They ban firearms anywhere on the property and have only a small sign on the front door.
We either ignore them since they don't follow the law or we just do business somewhere else (that is my approach, hit them where it hurts.).
Interesting side note right after they adopted this policy they were held up by someone who didn't obey the sign.

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 5:28:53 PM   
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A civilised arrangement, that.
Has any bar owner (or the owner of any other "leave it in the car" business) been subjected to pickets by gun enthusiasts for exercising that legal right?

We have one chain here that says you can't even have one in the car (even though the law they quote doesn't go near that far) And there has been no picketing or protests.
Most people who carry will have violated their policy before they know about it. They ban firearms anywhere on the property and have only a small sign on the front door.
We either ignore them since they don't follow the law or we just do business somewhere else.
Interesting side note right after they adopted this policy they were held up by someone who didn't obey the sign.


I am not so sure about their authority to do so. You put a sign on the doors that says "GUN FREE ZONE" and the law in this state will support you. But in your car, out in the parking lot or whatever is a different story. For the same reasons you need a driver's license to drive in a parking lot that is used by the public, the sign means nothing out there.

The sign goes on the door, it is expected that when you go through that doorway you are complying with the business owner's wishes and the law.

There is no way in hell they can keep you from carrying in the parking lot. Even government buildings do not try that shit. Now to go in is a different story. But just out in the lot, they don't have the right to tell you shit even if they own the property. A private home is of course a whole different ball of wax. We are talking out in public.

I can tell you not to bring a gun to my house, but I wouldn't. Why ? If you wanted to shoot me you would not obey my wishes. But sionce you have no reason to shoot me, and I am pretty much broke and have nothing, why would you shoot me ? But we can hang around and maybe you let me shoot your gun. In this area we probably would not have a problem with the cops coming around.

People are going to bring up every fucking shooting that ever happens to further their hoplophobic goals. They will never stop, unless of course we shoot them. LOL

In the US we live in a society of criminals. Even the government is a bunch of criminals. Good people need guns for protection from bad people. If people in other countries cannot understand this I am sorry. I cannot make it much plainer. If you are that dense, nothing I say will make any difference anyway will it ?

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 5:33:56 PM   
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A civilised arrangement, that.
Has any bar owner (or the owner of any other "leave it in the car" business) been subjected to pickets by gun enthusiasts for exercising that legal right?

We have one chain here that says you can't even have one in the car (even though the law they quote doesn't go near that far) And there has been no picketing or protests.
Most people who carry will have violated their policy before they know about it. They ban firearms anywhere on the property and have only a small sign on the front door.
We either ignore them since they don't follow the law or we just do business somewhere else.
Interesting side note right after they adopted this policy they were held up by someone who didn't obey the sign.


I am not so sure about their authority to do so. You put a sign on the doors that says "GUN FREE ZONE" and the law in this state will support you. But in your car, out in the parking lot or whatever is a different story. For the same reasons you need a driver's license to drive in a parking lot that is used by the public, the sign means nothing out there.

The sign goes on the door, it is expected that when you go through that doorway you are complying with the business owner's wishes and the law.

There is no way in hell they can keep you from carrying in the parking lot. Even government buildings do not try that shit. Now to go in is a different story. But just out in the lot, they don't have the right to tell you shit even if they own the property. A private home is of course a whole different ball of wax. We are talking out in public.

I can tell you not to bring a gun to my house, but I wouldn't. Why ? If you wanted to shoot me you would not obey my wishes. But sionce you have no reason to shoot me, and I am pretty much broke and have nothing, why would you shoot me ? But we can hang around and maybe you let me shoot your gun. In this area we probably would not have a problem with the cops coming around.

People are going to bring up every fucking shooting that ever happens to further their hoplophobic goals. They will never stop, unless of course we shoot them. LOL

In the US we live in a society of criminals. Even the government is a bunch of criminals. Good people need guns for protection from bad people. If people in other countries cannot understand this I am sorry. I cannot make it much plainer. If you are that dense, nothing I say will make any difference anyway will it ?

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The law here says they can ban open carry, a policy I agree with.
Yes gong inside can imply one agree with the policy. or at least agree to comply, so I go somewhere else.

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 6:05:15 PM   
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A civilised arrangement, that.
Has any bar owner (or the owner of any other "leave it in the car" business) been subjected to pickets by gun enthusiasts for exercising that legal right?

You really think that people should have to leave their gun in the car?
It is so much easier to steal it there.

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 7:16:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		HA, in the old days people left their guns in the glove box. Didn't even lock the doors of the car, especially in the summer. But most did lock the glove box. We had a gun stolen from the glove box but the fucking stupid olman didn't lock it when we went into the bar. He should have put it in his pocket. He never killed anyone. He almost always had a gun around.

People were different.

I have had guns around for most of my life. I have never shot anyone. Not even in jest. Ever.

Some people can and some people can't. It is like driving drunk or texting. If you start with a high skill level (which I have) then you can do it. But some people run into the back of a bus when the radio plays their favorite song. It is the matter of the starting point. If I can pilot a jet aircraft, which I think I can, then I should be able to drive a car after a few beers.

And carry a gun. Loaded. For some people I understand that their senses take leave when they drink. We call them amateurs. Like why we do not go out on New Years Eve, or Christmas Eve. We call it amateur night and stay the fuck home.

And guns ? Just don't point them at people and we are all happy. Think, why would I want to kill this person ? You know, if they fucked you out of a hundred bucks, that does not justify killing them. I got fucked out of fifteen hundred and never even thought of killing the prick. You have to get heavy into six figures before you get me to shoot, unless of course you try to rob me at the house. Climb in that window, you won't have to worry about how to get out. But other than that, I would pretty much never shoot anyone.

Some people do not seem to understand that. They think we are all gun nuts and that we will shoot them today. They think we are different, like that we would kill them on a whim. That is not true, if it was, alot of them would be dead now.

Every fucking day on almost every fucking internet forum someone tries to demonstrate to us how wrong it is to have guns. Most, in other countries, have never been here. Never been downtown. Never been to the east side of Cleveland. They live in countries where the people are more civilised. They do not see how it is here and why I advocates that every able bodied person carry a firearm. If it went my way, the school shooting that had twenty dead would have had maybe two. Some schools have armed guards.

Enough.

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 7:30:11 PM   
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https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=ymyy-t-999&p=texas+shooting+at+libby%27s#id=2&vid=b0481b55c7499dae72f1968cc752396a&action=click

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 7:57:14 PM   
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Here, I don't know about Ohio, they broke the law just by having a gun in a bar.

Concealed carry in establishments that serve liquor is legal in Ohio.

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/Pages/LawYouCanUse-704.aspx

K.


As I said ,I didn't know, and I think it should be.

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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 7:59:01 PM   
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Here, I don't know about Ohio, they broke the law just by having a gun in a bar.

Concealed carry in establishments that serve liquor is legal in Ohio.

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/Pages/LawYouCanUse-704.aspx

K.


Surly they don't let them "drink" .


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RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire - 3/26/2017 8:09:10 PM   
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Small town Ohio isn't that much different than small town PA. My whole growing up, the whole 'gun rack in the pick up truck' really was a thing. (Yep, I'm a hick.)

Every bar owner had a gun license and people knew it. Kept things in check.

Anyway, no kidding, two weeks ago, I came back home from getting groceries to see a cop car across the street. Put the groceries away. Still there. An hour later, stepped out for a smoke. Still there. Another hour passes. Still there. Whatever this is, this is bad.

Cop finally leaves. Dude from across the street crosses to talk to MP and I.

"Just thought I'd better let you know. My guns were stolen yesterday."


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