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tweakabelle -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 12:06:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or And [I] carry a gun. Loaded. [snip...] I would pretty much never shoot anyone. If you aren't going to shoot it, what on earth do you need a gun for? I suspect the reason is that you feel better when armed.

Kirata -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 2:51:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or And [I] carry a gun. Loaded. [snip...] I would pretty much never shoot anyone. If you aren't going to shoot it, what on earth do you need a gun for? I suspect the reason is that you feel better when armed. Wow, that's deep! Are you sure that your Ph.D. wasn't in Psychology? Because you really nailed it. I "pretty much never" expect to use the flotation vests on my boat, either, but I feel better having them on board anyway. Humans are so crazy! K.

thishereboi -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 2:55:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or And [I] carry a gun. Loaded. [snip...] I would pretty much never shoot anyone. If you aren't going to shoot it, what on earth do you need a gun for? I suspect the reason is that you feel better when armed. Does this mean I can throw out my fire extinguishers? After all I haven't had to use them in years.

Kirata -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 3:03:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or And [I] carry a gun. Loaded. [snip...] I would pretty much never shoot anyone. If you aren't going to shoot it, what on earth do you need a gun for? I suspect the reason is that you feel better when armed. Does this mean I can throw out my fire extinguishers? After all I haven't had to use them in years. Sure, go ahead. You'll probably never need them. Besides, what's the worst that can happen? [8D] K.

tweakabelle -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 8:01:02 AM)
Interesting that the pair of you apparently see or claim an equivalence between guns on the one hand, and fire extinguishers and flotation vests on the other hand. Guns are designed to injure and kill living things. Fire extinguishers and flotation vests are both safety devices, designed with the goal of protecting life and/or property in mind. These devices are designed with pretty much the opposite intention of weapons in mind So it's much worse than a case of comparing apples and oranges, you guys are dumb enough to attempt to create a false equivalence between near opposites. No wonder you are totally stumped when it comes to understanding or doing something about the almost epidemic rates at which Americans use firearms to murder each other.

Kirata -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 8:26:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Interesting that the pair of you apparently see or claim an equivalence between guns on the one hand, and fire extinguishers and flotation vests on the other hand. Guns are designed to injure and kill living things. Fire extinguishers and flotation vests are both safety devices, designed with the goal of protecting life and/or property in mind. These devices are designed with pretty much the opposite intention of weapons in mind The purpose of concealed carry is self-defense, i.e., protecting life. A flotation vest won't protect you from a felonious assault, and a gun won't help you stay afloat. Protective devices must of necessity be tailored to the nature of the threat. See how that works? quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle So it's much worse than a case of comparing apples and oranges, you guys are dumb enough to attempt to create a false equivalence between near opposites. No wonder you are totally stumped when it comes to understanding or doing something about the almost epidemic rates at which Americans use firearms to murder each other. It would behoove someone whining about false equivalences not to draw one, in her very next sentence, between the legal use of legally carried self-defense weapons and the criminal use of weapons that are overwhelmingly either illegally acquired or carried. K.

tweakabelle -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 8:41:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Interesting that the pair of you apparently see or claim an equivalence between guns on the one hand, and fire extinguishers and flotation vests on the other hand. Guns are designed to injure and kill living things. Fire extinguishers and flotation vests are both safety devices, designed with the goal of protecting life and/or property in mind. These devices are designed with pretty much the opposite intention of weapons in mind The purpose of concealed carry is self-defense, i.e., protecting life. A flotation vest won't protect you from a felonious assault, and a gun won't help you stay afloat. Protective devices must of necessity be tailored to the nature of the threat. See how that works? If the purpose of firearms (not concealed carry which is not what I mentioned) is to protect life as you claim, then they are pretty hopeless at the task as thousands of your fellow citizens end up murdered every year due to gun violence. Protective devices actually save lives, not extinguish or kill them at the rate of thousands every year. See how that works? quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: So it's much worse than a case of comparing apples and oranges, you guys are dumb enough to attempt to create a false equivalence between near opposites. No wonder you are totally stumped when it comes to understanding or doing something about the almost epidemic rates at which Americans use firearms to murder each other. It would behoove someone whining about false equivalences not to draw one, in her very next sentence, between the legal use of legally carried self-defense weapons and the criminal use of weapons that are overwhelmingly either illegally acquired or carried. K. Again you are misleading - how many Americans are killed every year by legally possessed firearms? And, anyways, it makes sweet fuck all difference to the victim whether the gun that shot them was legally acquired or otherwise. They're dead either way. Thanks for playing though. It's been fun. PS: There might be a future for yourself and THB as a tag team in the next Dumb'n'Dumber competition. Think about it.

Kirata -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 9:24:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Interesting that the pair of you apparently see or claim an equivalence between guns on the one hand, and fire extinguishers and flotation vests on the other hand. Guns are designed to injure and kill living things. Fire extinguishers and flotation vests are both safety devices, designed with the goal of protecting life and/or property in mind. These devices are designed with pretty much the opposite intention of weapons in mind The purpose of concealed carry is self-defense, i.e., protecting life. A flotation vest won't protect you from a felonious assault, and a gun won't help you stay afloat. Protective devices must of necessity be tailored to the nature of the threat. See how that works? If the purpose of firearms (not concealed carry which is not what I mentioned) is to protect life as you claim, then they are pretty hopeless at the task as thousands of your fellow citizens end up murdered every year due to gun violence. Protective devices actually save lives, not extinguish or kill them at the rate of thousands every year. See how that works? Either stuff the magic act, or at least wear a skimpy outfit. I didn't say "the purpose of firearms," I said the purpose of concealed carry. quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle So it's much worse than a case of comparing apples and oranges, you guys are dumb enough to attempt to create a false equivalence between near opposites. No wonder you are totally stumped when it comes to understanding or doing something about the almost epidemic rates at which Americans use firearms to murder each other. It would behoove someone whining about false equivalences not to draw one, in her very next sentence, between the legal use of legally carried self-defense weapons and the criminal use of weapons that are overwhelmingly either illegally acquired or carried. Again you are misleading - how many Americans are killed every year by legally possessed firearms? And, anyways, it makes sweet fuck all difference to the victim whether the gun that shot them was legally acquired or otherwise. They're dead either way. The most recent information I have ready at hand is 21%. Not to mention, even if the firearm is legally owned, that doesn't mean it can be legally carried in public. If our homicide numbers reflected only murders committed with legally owned and legally carried firearms, our homicide rate would probably be in the range of 0.95-1.05/100k. quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle PS: There might be a future for yourself and THB as a tag team in the next Dumb'n'Dumber competition. Think about it. Yes I know, you think everyone who disagrees with you is stupid. What are the odds? K.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 9:37:23 AM)
Multiple shooters, hundreds of people - one dead, in a place where the police report they've had prolems before. Sounds like a shady establishment with the smell of a criminal element.

RottenJohnny -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 10:07:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Fire extinguishers and flotation vests are both safety devices, designed with the goal of protecting life and/or property in mind. These devices are designed with pretty much the opposite intention of weapons in mind I guarantee I can find a way to kill you with a fire extinguisher or flotation vest if I wanted to.

Termyn8or -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 10:37:37 AM)
The law is the law we can have guns. If you can't, that is your problem. I am from old school. I will not shoot someone for their shoes. I will not commit armed robbery. Why ? Not because it is illegal but because it is WRONG. There are millions of gun owners in this country who have never committed a crime. (maybe smoked a joint her or there but that is not a crime) I mean like over a hundred million actually. If the hoplophobe paranoia was actually correct, we would have millions of murders in this country, but we don't. You think 30,000 is alot ? This nation has 326 MILLION people. The number is therefore insignificant. I don't mean to play down the loss by families of those who have been killed, but the fact is we are not changing our laws because of it. Get that through your head. I am sorry about your loss, but I am not voting for Hillary and turning in my guns over it. In fact if I was there with my gun I might have prevented your loss. And I would. I do not want to see anyone killed unless they deserve it. T^T

BamaD -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 1:52:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Interesting that the pair of you apparently see or claim an equivalence between guns on the one hand, and fire extinguishers and flotation vests on the other hand. Guns are designed to injure and kill living things. Fire extinguishers and flotation vests are both safety devices, designed with the goal of protecting life and/or property in mind. These devices are designed with pretty much the opposite intention of weapons in mind So it's much worse than a case of comparing apples and oranges, you guys are dumb enough to attempt to create a false equivalence between near opposites. No wonder you are totally stumped when it comes to understanding or doing something about the almost epidemic rates at which Americans use firearms to murder each other. Guns are there to keep other people, and rabid dogs from hurting you, interesting you can only see this through the eyes of evil people.

BamaD -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 1:59:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or The law is the law we can have guns. If you can't, that is your problem. I am from old school. I will not shoot someone for their shoes. I will not commit armed robbery. Why ? Not because it is illegal but because it is WRONG. There are millions of gun owners in this country who have never committed a crime. (maybe smoked a joint her or there but that is not a crime) I mean like over a hundred million actually. If the hoplophobe paranoia was actually correct, we would have millions of murders in this country, but we don't. You think 30,000 is alot ? This nation has 326 MILLION people. The number is therefore insignificant. I don't mean to play down the loss by families of those who have been killed, but the fact is we are not changing our laws because of it. Get that through your head. I am sorry about your loss, but I am not voting for Hillary and turning in my guns over it. In fact if I was there with my gun I might have prevented your loss. And I would. I do not want to see anyone killed unless they deserve it. T^T Also the ones gun control are about are around ten thousand, the rest are suicides, and we have a lower suicide rate than many countries with very strict gun control so puff there goes that argument.

jlf1961 -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 2:40:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or And [I] carry a gun. Loaded. [snip...] I would pretty much never shoot anyone. If you aren't going to shoot it, what on earth do you need a gun for? I suspect the reason is that you feel better when armed. Uh, he said he would pretty much never shoot anyone. That is far from saying he would never shoot it. I have a carry permit, a hold over from my professional career. I also have a number of guns, each for a different purpose. And contrary to what you and so many others seem to be stuck on, guns are not necessarily for killing people. Tell you what, how bout you come to my part of west Texas, I will take you to a nice scenic spot in the county, drop you there so you can enjoy the wild critters, including feral hogs, give you a pocket knife.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 6:32:00 PM)
JLF1961 said, quote: Tell you what, how bout you come to my part of west Texas, I will take you to a nice scenic spot in the county, drop you there so you can enjoy the wild critters, including feral hogs, give you a pocket knife. Not just Texas. My Brother lives in Louisiana, his 8 year old son shot and killed his first boar a couple months ago. Wild boar, snakes, alligators. Lots of dangerous critters in the country. It isn't sport. It is simply a way of life. In this case, they train and raise race horses and live in the country. Feral hogs are mean and dangerous animals and pose a huge risk for the domesticated animals and people as well. It doesn't hurt that a cochhon de lait is good eats and a reason to party.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 6:38:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or And [I] carry a gun. Loaded. [snip...] I would pretty much never shoot anyone. If you aren't going to shoot it, what on earth do you need a gun for? I suspect the reason is that you feel better when armed. Does this mean I can throw out my fire extinguishers? After all I haven't had to use them in years. No, but you should probably have them inspected. Most Fire Departments do it for free. :)

jlf1961 -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 7:30:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance JLF1961 said, quote: Tell you what, how bout you come to my part of west Texas, I will take you to a nice scenic spot in the county, drop you there so you can enjoy the wild critters, including feral hogs, give you a pocket knife. Not just Texas. My Brother lives in Louisiana, his 8 year old son shot and killed his first boar a couple months ago. Wild boar, snakes, alligators. Lots of dangerous critters in the country. It isn't sport. It is simply a way of life. In this case, they train and raise race horses and live in the country. Feral hogs are mean and dangerous animals and pose a huge risk for the domesticated animals and people as well. It doesn't hurt that a cochhon de lait is good eats and a reason to party. Except that these individuals in other countries seem to believe that all we do is kill each other.

BamaD -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/27/2017 7:59:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance JLF1961 said, quote: Tell you what, how bout you come to my part of west Texas, I will take you to a nice scenic spot in the county, drop you there so you can enjoy the wild critters, including feral hogs, give you a pocket knife. Not just Texas. My Brother lives in Louisiana, his 8 year old son shot and killed his first boar a couple months ago. Wild boar, snakes, alligators. Lots of dangerous critters in the country. It isn't sport. It is simply a way of life. In this case, they train and raise race horses and live in the country. Feral hogs are mean and dangerous animals and pose a huge risk for the domesticated animals and people as well. It doesn't hurt that a cochhon de lait is good eats and a reason to party. Except that these individuals in other countries seem to believe that all we do is kill each other. Lets them feel superior.

thishereboi -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 2:37:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Interesting that the pair of you apparently see or claim an equivalence between guns on the one hand, and fire extinguishers and flotation vests on the other hand. Guns are designed to injure and kill living things. Fire extinguishers and flotation vests are both safety devices, designed with the goal of protecting life and/or property in mind. These devices are designed with pretty much the opposite intention of weapons in mind So it's much worse than a case of comparing apples and oranges, you guys are dumb enough to attempt to create a false equivalence between near opposites. No wonder you are totally stumped when it comes to understanding or doing something about the almost epidemic rates at which Americans use firearms to murder each other. Just pointing out how stupid your argument was, so sorry you missed the point but not a bit surprised.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 5:28:58 AM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate I think you will find America higher on that list than your patently fake news BamaD USA 12 per 100 000 of their population The UK is 6 per 100 000. So you are at least double the UK. Canada is 10 per 100 000 higher than I thought this one. Death by gun in America is ~30 000 - 35 000, add in drug overdose 50 000 – alone. So for those two thats ~80 000 deaths a year – absorb the enormity of that figure. Guns kill – all other arguments are invalid….I was watching what some were saying tweakabelle and they were truly pathetic. Sad thing is USA is due another mass shooting and i am talking unmitigated carnage unfortunately I actually expect something like this to occur soon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks One dead is a blessing as was 4 from last week here...odd thing for someone like me to say.

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