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thompsonx -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 6:13:33 AM)


ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

A civilised arrangement, that.
Has any bar owner (or the owner of any other "leave it in the car" business) been subjected to pickets by gun enthusiasts for exercising that legal right?


The u.s. post office post a big sign on the door to that effect. I have yet to see a boycot.




Kirata -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 6:27:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

USA 12 per 100 000 of their population
UK is 6 per 100 000

Yeah, and about 65 nations have lower rates than the UK. Syria has a lower rate than the UK! And then there's France, Finland and Japan (to name three) that have higher rates than the United States. Are we done here?

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Guns kill – all other arguments are invalid

All other arguments are invalid? Really? Should we kneel now?

K.





thompsonx -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 6:33:42 AM)


ORIGINAL: Termyn8or



I have had guns around for most of my life. I have never shot anyone. Not even in jest. Ever.

But you have threatened me?

If I can pilot a jet aircraft, which I think I can,


You cannot.





thompsonx -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 6:39:14 AM)

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


I am not so sure about their authority to do so. You put a sign on the doors that says "GUN FREE ZONE" and the law in this state will support you. But in your car, out in the parking lot or whatever is a different story. For the same reasons you need a driver's license to drive in a parking lot that is used by the public, the sign means nothing out there.


The parking lot is private property and open to the public who are using the stores the parking lot is for.
The sign at the entrance to the v.a. parking lot says no weapons on the premisis.




The sign goes on the door, it is expected that when you go through that doorway you are complying with the business owner's wishes and the law.

There is no way in hell they can keep you from carrying in the parking lot.


You are mistaken.

Even government buildings do not try that shit.


Yes they do and quite successfully.




thompsonx -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 6:45:30 AM)

ORIGINAL: jlf1961


Well, in a way that is true, the US leads the world in gun deaths IF you through out every country that is not a 'developed' nation.

When you compare the US just to those in the Western Hemisphere, the US drops to 18th, and of course the countries beating it have problems with drug cartels,


If it were not for amerika there would be no drug cartels.


etc... and private ownership of guns in almost ALL of those countries is illegal.


Cite please.


When you compare the US to the rest of the world, excluding those countries where there are armed conflicts, the US falls rises to 12th over all, and just about every country that is ahead of it has some very draconian anti gun laws in place, i.e commit a crime using a gun you are executed.


Cite please


And there are even smaller countries that beat the US in gun related deaths each year, also not involved in armed conflict, just have a major problem with drug cartels.

So, the issue is clearly NOT the fact that the US has a lot of gun related deaths, because as I pointed out there are countries that have more gun related deaths than the US, and also have laws preventing private gun ownership (pretty much shoots the 'outlaw guns and gun violence goes away' argument in the ass.)

No the issue for all non Americans who live in countries who do not allow private gun ownership is that we are not doing what the fuck everyone else is doing.

So let me ask you a simple question:
Those no private gun ownership laws in France sure worked wonders to prevent gun crime didn't they?

What "no private gun ownership in france" are you talking about?
I am pretty sure that gun ownership laws in france are pretty close to amerika.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 7:10:52 AM)

I am forever kirata and no, only when the mood takes me, or my brain brimming with your ilks nonsense, or sloshed on chardonnay - i am swithering as to whether to just go for the hurling the bucket of piranhas - they would be suitably attired in bow tie and top hats.

Not really getting your point I lobbed that suicide by country link in for bamaD said, which was far from the truth. And, perhaps you should take Syria and places of that ilk with a pinch of salt.

I could do the death by gun, if you like - wiki one - an apt guide. is this to you liking your majesty (actually are you women or man let me look)

So are you admitting that the suicide rate of Americashire in twice that of the UKshire - for that means, by your own incompetent words, you stated the UK was a a pathetic 65th on that list, and yet the USA was twice as bad as us cliff self hurling UK lemons (lemmons?). Do you not see the flaw in your stratagem?

List of countries by firearm-related death rate go absorb it and the pretty little arrows in the headers allow you to sort by utter fuking carnage

on that list the UK is 6th at 0.23 per 100 000

and the USA 11th bottom and 10.43 per 100 000 which is 40 times higher than the UK

There is no argument against that list - is as near as absolute as you can get,and only pathetic wretches would try otherwise

I concede perhaps Americans just like killing each other with guns - do you believe this to be a feasible logical statement?





thompsonx -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 7:44:44 AM)


ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


We are a bunch of rebels, and actually proud of it. You can have your civilised ways but most people here reject that.

Most people in amerika do not own guns.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



Just look at the actions of the US government that most people support. (at least for now) Regime change for the sake of oil. No problem.

When has it been different?


We have our nuts, that comes with the territory, which we stole in the first place. Most of the world hates us and mostly for good reason. But we got five thousand square foot houses and ten acre yards.


No we do not. Some do but most don't. Apartments are typically less than 1000 sq ft..
Rental single family residences constitute 35% of amerikan housing units.
Ownership single family residences is at the lowest level since 1963.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/24/how-renting-became-the-new-homeownership/

http://www.rejournals.com/2016/06/28/average-apartment-sizes-fall-to-10-year-low/



It takes force to maintain this. For wrong or right, and believe me I think it is wrong. But that is the way it is. We got a half trillion dollar offense budget, we defend you and a whole bunch of others. And we are doing it on credit.

We are not defending anyone from anything. Our "offense" budget is to perpetuate our own interests.






jlf1961 -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 7:46:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

I am forever kirata and no, only when the mood takes me, or my brain brimming with your ilks nonsense, or sloshed on chardonnay - i am swithering as to whether to just go for the hurling the bucket of piranhas - they would be suitably attired in bow tie and top hats.

Not really getting your point I lobbed that suicide by country link in for bamaD said, which was far from the truth. And, perhaps you should take Syria and places of that ilk with a pinch of salt.

I could do the death by gun, if you like - wiki one - an apt guide. is this to you liking your majesty (actually are you women or man let me look)

So are you admitting that the suicide rate of Americashire in twice that of the UKshire - for that means, by your own incompetent words, you stated the UK was a a pathetic 65th on that list, and yet the USA was twice as bad as us cliff self hurling UK lemons (lemmons?). Do you not see the flaw in your stratagem?

List of countries by firearm-related death rate go absrob it and the pretty little arrows in the headers allow you to sort by utter fuking carnage

on that list the UK is 6th at 0.23 per 100 000

and the USA 11th bottom and 10.43 per 100 000 which is 40 times higher than the UK

There is no argument against that list - is as near as absolute as you can get,and only pathetic wretches would try otherwise

I concede perhaps Americans just like killing each other with guns - do you believe this to be a feasible logical statement?





Except, if you look closely at the wikipedia list, you see things like \

Switzerland 3.08 (mixed years) 0.23 (2013) 2.68 (2011) 0.10 (1998) 0.07 (1994) Guns in Switzerland[68] 45.7

Another interesting point is that take all gun deaths into one lump sample, which is a flawed argument.

Finally, as of the last year with full data, as per the Centers for Disease Control, 2014 has the following information.

Firearm homicides

Number of deaths: 10,945
Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.4

Centers for Disease control fact sheet

Which makes the rest of the deaths by gun accidental or intentionally self inflicted.

So, all you jack asses screaming that 30,000 plus Americans were killed intentionally by guns over a period of time is the ultimate in BULLSHIT.

Everytime there is a crime involving a gun you roll out those numbers, and the facts do not support your claims, so, in all fairness, it would be easier to accept your fucking arguments if you used actual facts related to gun related homicides, not taking every gun death and putting it out there that every one of them was committed intentionally.

When the homicide rates are the basis for the statistics, as Wickeddesire implies with his op, the US actually falls a lot lower than other countries, but of course still higher than countries with out right bans on private gun ownership.

Which once more and since no one who is advocating a gun ban has yet to fucking answer:


How well did the restrictive gun laws work in Paris, or Germany or Austria, or Naples, or Marseille, last year, or how about in 2015?

They didnt, guns were used in some of the worst terrorist attacks in Europe and damn, you cant just go and buy a gun at Walmart.

In other words, there is no way to 100% guarantee that a gun will not be used to kill someone or a group of people somewhere just because you outlaw private ownership.

So, by all means, when you have prevented all gun deaths in your yard, even by smuggled guns, please come and feel that you can honestly say, it works.




thompsonx -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 7:48:29 AM)


ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

The law is the law we can have guns. If you can't, that is your problem.

I am from old school. I will not shoot someone for their shoes. I will not commit armed robbery. Why ? Not because it is illegal but because it is WRONG.

There are millions of gun owners in this country who have never committed a crime. (maybe smoked a joint her or there but that is not a crime)


Kinda like crossing the border illegally is not a crime....yes dude I am agreeing with you.
. I do not want to see anyone killed unless they deserve it.

You seem to think I deserve it.




PeonForHer -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 7:49:29 AM)

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Syria has a lower rate than the UK!


I'd take any figures coming out of Syria with a pinch of salt right now, personally.




PeonForHer -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 7:53:46 AM)

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Except that these individuals in other countries seem to believe that all we do is kill each other.


Nonsense, Jeff. You Americans have learned to do *lots* of things other than kill each other. Just look at you all, even posting on forums and suchlike these days! [:)]





Lucylastic -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 8:04:36 AM)

no, most people dont use 30,000 plus as INTENTIONAL homicides, but all gun deaths
Suicide IS the major number of deaths by guns Yes,
But however much people put the facts up, a lot of americans cant accept that suicides by guns is a problem
Until it comes down to the fact that suicides by vets is a huge huge issue.

Deflect all you like. it doesnt change the murder numbers.





WickedsDesire -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 8:25:42 AM)

My figures are never flawed consider them a fair meanjlf1961 desperate big typing like the argument guns kill. Hell read my earlier posts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate I think you will find America higher on that list than your patently fake news BamaD
USA 12 per 100 000 of their population The
UK is 6 per 100 000. So you are at least double the UK.
Canada is 10 per 100 000 higher than I thought this one.

Death by gun in America is ~30 000 - 35 000, add in drug overdose 50 000 – alone.
So for those two thats ~80 000 deaths a year – absorb the enormity of that figure.
Guns kill – all other arguments are invalid….I was watching what some were saying tweakabelle and they were truly pathetic.
Sad thing is USA is due another mass shooting and i am talking unmitigated carnage unfortunately I actually expect something like this to occur soon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks
One dead is a blessing as was 4 from last week here...odd thing for someone like me to say.


What happened this year in Marseilles and Naples or Austria or indeed in 2015 you incompetent fuk..since 2015 85 000 Americashire jackals killed with their own guns




Kirata -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 9:36:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

My figures are never flawed

It must be you, then. [:)]

K.





WickedsDesire -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 9:47:56 AM)

I cannot best a puddle of errant raw effluent… would you like to see pictures of my 3 cat litter trays you complete pathetic fuk or are you too busy trying to mop up a puddle of your own shite…..and when can we expect this zany youtube video of you spattering leakage?

Enthral us all




Kirata -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 10:18:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

I cannot best a puddle of errant raw effluent… would you like to see pictures of my 3 cat litter trays you complete pathetic fuk or are you too busy trying to mop up a puddle of your own shite…..and when can we expect this zany youtube video of you spattering leakage?

[8|]

I rest my case.

K.




BoscoX -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 10:42:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

I cannot best a puddle of errant raw effluent… would you like to see pictures of my 3 cat litter trays you complete pathetic fuk or are you too busy trying to mop up a puddle of your own shite…..and when can we expect this zany youtube video of you spattering leakage?

[8|]

I rest my case.

K.



Few of them are much more sensible than he, in my opinion

Seriously




jlf1961 -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 2:54:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

My figures are never flawed consider them a fair meanjlf1961 desperate big typing like the argument guns kill. Hell read my earlier posts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate I think you will find America higher on that list than your patently fake news BamaD
USA 12 per 100 000 of their population The
UK is 6 per 100 000. So you are at least double the UK.
Canada is 10 per 100 000 higher than I thought this one.

Death by gun in America is ~30 000 - 35 000, add in drug overdose 50 000 – alone.
So for those two thats ~80 000 deaths a year – absorb the enormity of that figure.
Guns kill – all other arguments are invalid….I was watching what some were saying tweakabelle and they were truly pathetic.
Sad thing is USA is due another mass shooting and i am talking unmitigated carnage unfortunately I actually expect something like this to occur soon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks
One dead is a blessing as was 4 from last week here...odd thing for someone like me to say.


What happened this year in Marseilles and Naples or Austria or indeed in 2015 you incompetent fuk..since 2015 85 000 Americashire jackals killed with their own guns




85000 people killed by guns in the US?

got a link?

Prove it!





PeonForHer -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 3:40:56 PM)

"Which once more and since no one who is advocating a gun ban has yet to fucking answer:
How well did the restrictive gun laws work in Paris, or Germany or Austria, or Naples, or Marseille, last year, or how about in 2015?"

So, does this mean that the restrictive grenade laws in pretty much the whole of the world are also a waste of time, then? I mean, it's not grenades that kill people, it's people who kill people, as we all know. And if someone can't kill with a grenade, he'll only find another way of doing it, as we also all know. Should grenades be on sale at Walmart?




jlf1961 -> RE: Yet another Gun nut runs amok in Americashire (3/28/2017 4:12:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

"Which once more and since no one who is advocating a gun ban has yet to fucking answer:
How well did the restrictive gun laws work in Paris, or Germany or Austria, or Naples, or Marseille, last year, or how about in 2015?"

So, does this mean that the restrictive grenade laws in pretty much the whole of the world are also a waste of time, then? I mean, it's not grenades that kill people, it's people who kill people, as we all know. And if someone can't kill with a grenade, he'll only find another way of doing it, as we also all know. Should grenades be on sale at Walmart?



Peon, my point was, the people, such as wicked, who point out that there would not be so many killed due to gun related crime if guns were banned is a flawed argument.

I have traveled extensively, and going through customs at border crossings in Europe was a fucking pain in the ass.

I am referring to the ones coming from non EU countries into the EU.

Yet fully automatic weapons made it into those countries.

What is irratating is that people take the total number of gun deaths in the US as one whole, and when broken down to those which were violent crimes, the number drops significantly.

Unfortunately accidental gun deaths are a problem.

The reason is that people buy guns who really dont have the common sense to know how to treat them.

As a police officer I averaged four calls a month involving 'accidental' gun related injuries.

I heard the same fucking excuse, "I didnt know the gun was loaded."

Accidental deaths because of guns are because people get stupid.

Then you have the 21000 suicides where the person used a gun on average every year.

There are also the hunting accidents, like the one involving vice president Cheney.

The argument that people kill people is valid.

But the argument that guns exist to kill people is not.

Guns are a tool, and in the right hands are no more dangerous than any other.

And trust me, if you were to visit and we went for a hike, after you saw what a feral hog can do to just about anything, you would be asking for the biggest and baddest gun around.

And yes wicked, I used bigger font to ask the question because you nor anyone else answered it.

Those restrictive gun laws did not stop the gun violence in Europe.

And what you and everyone else fails to realize, is that as written, the gun laws in the US would (key fucking word WOULD) be enough, IF liberals and other idiots would allow the government to do their jobs and make the reporting of people who cannot legally buy guns MANDATORY.

Hell, the brady bill, would have been plenty, except that the provisions to make it work were gutted by folks who felt that making it mandatory for people with protective orders against them would be an invasion of privacy.

Or making it mandatory to report people who have failed a competency hearing in front of a judge mandatory.

But no, lets make the one thing that would keep guns out of the hands of people that by federal law are not allowed to buy guns purely voluntary by the state and local police and courts.




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