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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 7:10:15 AM   
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I think arresting city officials is going a little too far at this point. Cutting off funding is an appropriate measure but there's no reason to start getting martial over this. If the data I've seen is right then most people don't support sanctuary cities and these leaders will probably be getting voted out of office anyway.

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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 7:13:19 AM   
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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 7:16:18 AM   
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Are they breaking the law, Then they should arrest them.


What law are they breaking dumbass?



Illegally crossing a Territorial Line without express permission from the government.
According to the Obama Administration - that makes them Priority 1 Illegal Immigrants.

Or in other words... they are as big a threat to the US as Terrorists, Human Traffickers, and Invading Armies...
... according to Obama.


Please try to pay attention dumbass.
What law are the "leaders of the sanctuary cities" , that this klansman wants arrested, breaking?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 7:23:03 AM   
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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 7:26:35 AM   
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I think a turnabout might be appropriate here. They want to be sanctuary cities ? Send ALL the immigrants there. Wait until their population is 30 million of non-citizens and their infrastructure can't handle it. Let them build a million homeless shelters and tax their citizens for the welfare for these people who cannot legally work here.


Get your head out of your ass because all that is coming out of your mouth is stupid shit.
If someone is an immigrant to this country how would they be a burdin on those "sanctuary cities"?
Now if you are talking "illegal immigrant" why would you send them to a "sanctuary city" instead of deporting them?
Jesus you a re phoquing stupid.

Send them all there. Let them deal with the consequences. Consequences is how people learn. And they will. They will because these immigrants are not here as doctors and engineers on an H1B visa.

Please cite for us the occupations who recieve h1b visas in amerika showing all the stats. Until you do you will be considered by all to be fulll of shit as usual.



They are what some shithole country emptied out of their prisons.

Please ciote for us some sort of validation for this ignorant shit




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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 7:37:29 AM   
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I think arresting city officials is going a little too far at this point. Cutting off funding is an appropriate measure but there's no reason to start getting martial over this.


The courts will show that sort of behaviour to be unconstitutional. The feds are telling local cops they have to work for free. That is not constitutional. Immigration is a federal responsibllity not local. What the "sanctuary city" officials are saying is that " we are not going to do the job of dhs/ice unless we get paid for it"

If the data I've seen is right then most people don't support sanctuary cities and these leaders will probably be getting voted out of office anyway.


Obviously the data you have yet to cite is wrong since these "sanctuary cities" have been doing this for some time and the officials keep getting re-elected.
If what you were saying were true then all of those statutes would have been overturned a long time ago.
Has it ever occured to you to educate yourself about an issue before you start spueing shit out of your mouth?

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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 7:38:45 AM   
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No, you are. They are breaking their oath of office.

Cite please

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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 8:18:48 AM   
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Please try to pay attention dumbass.
What law are the "leaders of the sanctuary cities" , that this klansman wants arrested, breaking?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


Aiding and Abetting, Accessory, harboring.

Because the illegal individual committed a felony by crossing a territorial line with out express permission of the United States Government, any that help them are also committing a felony crime. What's more - because sanctuary cities provide monetary aid to Illegal Immigrants (through welfare) that is an act of 'Accessory after the Fact'. Thus all of the above crimes are Felony Acts, rather then the traditional misdemeanor which most people view these crimes as.

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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 8:24:00 AM   
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Please try to pay attention dumbass.
What law are the "leaders of the sanctuary cities" , that this klansman wants arrested, breaking?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


Aiding and Abetting, Accessory, harboring.

Because the illegal individual committed a felony by crossing a territorial line with out express permission of the United States Government, any that help them are also committing a felony crime. What's more - because sanctuary cities provide monetary aid to Illegal Immigrants (through welfare) that is an act of 'Accessory after the Fact'. Thus all of the above crimes are Felony Acts, rather then the traditional misdemeanor which most people view these crimes as.

Those are all your opinions but are they really the law? If so, you should be able to cite Federal Laws that impose such duties on state and city authorities.

Take your time

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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 8:28:23 AM   
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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 8:36:24 AM   
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Please try to pay attention dumbass.
What law are the "leaders of the sanctuary cities" , that this klansman wants arrested, breaking?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


Aiding and Abetting, Accessory, harboring.

Because the illegal individual committed a felony by crossing a territorial line with out express permission of the United States Government, any that help them are also committing a felony crime. What's more - because sanctuary cities provide monetary aid to Illegal Immigrants (through welfare) that is an act of 'Accessory after the Fact'. Thus all of the above crimes are Felony Acts, rather then the traditional misdemeanor which most people view these crimes as.


Uh, no. what illegal individual committed a felony by crossing our border? show me that law.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

So those that employ these 'felons', aiding, abetting, and harboring get a $250 fine?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a

Ja, no. jack those fines up to about a mill per head, and 20 years for employing them. problem solved.

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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 9:13:57 AM   
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Because the illegal individual committed a felony by crossing a territorial line with out express permission of the United States Government,


Cite please.



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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 9:59:16 AM   
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Uh, no. what illegal individual committed a felony by crossing our border? show me that law.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325


that is the law:
shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

Being a Federal Law - imprisonment is done in a Federal Prison - thus making it a Felony.

I know it is weird because the standard rule of thumb is over 1 year is a Felony, under 1 year is a misdemeanor... but that's if you get picked up by local or state police. The instant a Federal Agency is involved, it becomes a Federal Proceeding, and thus is automatically a Federal Crime (ie - felony)


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So those that employ these 'felons', aiding, abetting, and harboring get a $250 fine?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a

Ja, no. jack those fines up to about a mill per head, and 20 years for employing them. problem solved.



https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a
Criminal penalty
Any person or entity which engages in a pattern or practice of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3,000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both, notwithstanding the provisions of any other Federal law relating to fine levels.

what you're talking about is a Cease and Desist order which is given initially when it is discovered that an individual or employment group is providing employment to illegal entities. This is done because the presumption of innocence implies that the individual is simply unknowingly engaging in such actions... however continued practice, or producing a consistent pattern of this action in spite of a Cease and Desist Order denotes a criminal action which incurs the above punishment.

Again - because the individual is jailed in a Federal Prison due to it being a Federal Law - it makes it a Felony.


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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 10:06:21 AM   
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Being a Federal Law - imprisonment is done in a Federal Prison - thus making it a Felony.

Cite please.


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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 11:15:34 AM   
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Obviously the data you have yet to cite is wrong since these "sanctuary cities" have been doing this for some time and the officials keep getting re-elected.
If what you were saying were true then all of those statutes would have been overturned a long time ago.

Except it wasn't as much an issue on everybody's mind until the election and now more people are engaged in the debate. There's plenty of info out there that suggests people don't support sanctuary cities. Even a previous UC Berkeley poll showed Californians don't support some of those policies.

http://news.berkeley.edu/2015/09/04/igs-poll-californians-oppose-sanctuary-city-flexibility/

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Californians strongly oppose “sanctuary city” policies under which local authorities ignore federal requests to detain undocumented immigrants who have been arrested but are about to be released, according to a new poll released today by the Institute of Governmental Studies (IGS) at UC Berkeley.



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Has it ever occured to you to educate yourself about an issue before you start spueing shit out of your mouth?

And I hope someday you'll decide to stop being such a fucking loser but I'm not holding my breath.

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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 11:23:39 AM   
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Uh, no. what illegal individual committed a felony by crossing our border? show me that law.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325


that is the law:
shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

Being a Federal Law - imprisonment is done in a Federal Prison - thus making it a Felony.

I know it is weird because the standard rule of thumb is over 1 year is a Felony, under 1 year is a misdemeanor... but that's if you get picked up by local or state police. The instant a Federal Agency is involved, it becomes a Federal Proceeding, and thus is automatically a Federal Crime (ie - felony)


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So those that employ these 'felons', aiding, abetting, and harboring get a $250 fine?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a

Ja, no. jack those fines up to about a mill per head, and 20 years for employing them. problem solved.



https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a
Criminal penalty
Any person or entity which engages in a pattern or practice of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3,000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both, notwithstanding the provisions of any other Federal law relating to fine levels.

what you're talking about is a Cease and Desist order which is given initially when it is discovered that an individual or employment group is providing employment to illegal entities. This is done because the presumption of innocence implies that the individual is simply unknowingly engaging in such actions... however continued practice, or producing a consistent pattern of this action in spite of a Cease and Desist Order denotes a criminal action which incurs the above punishment.

Again - because the individual is jailed in a Federal Prison due to it being a Federal Law - it makes it a Felony.



Sorry its a misdemeanor, it only becomes a felony when it is chronic (if they bother to prosecute).
Perhaps you have some names of people serving time in a federal prison for the crime of being an illegal alien. (here is a hint, there is no in depth article on illegal aliens in the federal pen for being illegal aliens, or video. Nutsuckers would be beating off to that like liberals beat off to girls gone wild videos).



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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 11:54:21 AM   
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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 12:00:13 PM   
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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 5:35:42 PM   
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Obviously the data you have yet to cite is wrong since these "sanctuary cities" have been doing this for some time and the officials keep getting re-elected.
If what you were saying were true then all of those statutes would have been overturned a long time ago.


Except it wasn't as much an issue on everybody's mind until the election and now more people are engaged in the debate.

Your cite says it was on peoples minds two years ago before trump ever mentioned it.
Your cite also mentions that it polled about 1100 people out of nearly 40,000,000.



And I hope someday you'll decide to stop being such a fucking loser but I'm not holding my breath.

Go ahead mate give it a try...I would enjoy watching.

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RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? - 3/29/2017 5:43:55 PM   
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Except it wasn't as much an issue on everybody's mind until the election and now more people are engaged in the debate. There's plenty of info out there that suggests people don't support sanctuary cities. Even a previous UC Berkeley poll showed Californians don't support some of those policies.


Not so, Johnny. Bill Clinton signed into law the Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996,

IIRIRA addressed the relationship between the federal government and local governments. Section 287(g) is part of the act that permits the U.S. Attorney General to enter into agreements with state and local law enforcement agencies, permitting designated officers to perform immigration law enforcement functions, pursuant to a Memorandum of Agreement. This section does not simply deputize state and local law enforcement personnel to enforce immigration matters.[3]

This provision was implemented by local and state authorities in five states: California, Arizona, Alabama, Florida and North Carolina by the end of 2006.[4] From Wiki.

Notice there is nothing that mandates action by state and local public officials.

And 8 U.S. Code 1324 as I read it requires the condition of "knowingly" harboring an illegal alien before a felony can be charged. I haven't found any other law that would put public officials in legal jeopardy re: the OP.

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