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WinsomeDefiance -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 6:30:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Anecdotal observations from the gun show I went to last weekend.

A> Prices seem to be saner. Especially for ammunition with the exception of .22 LR. With only two plants in the U.S. making .22 caliber brass; it makes sense for the supply to still be short after the panic runs of the last few years. A good cheap round for target practice and being rim-fire, cannot be re-used.


B> Found a dynamite price on a .380 pocket pistol. (Ruger LCP) Now my girl doesn't have to keep bringing up that she thinks the 45 ACP is too big for her.

C> Bought an interesting alpenstock. Barrel contains a fishing pole complete with line and hooks. The butt can be swapped around to make a fish spear. And the head contains a 12 inch dagger with a compartment with fire starting equipment. The non-slip part of the handle is made of 50 ft of 550 paracord. I just couldn't resist the multi-purpose tech. And, it is hand made by a local woodworker. An oddball among his collection of custom made walking canes and sword canes.

D> Crossing my fingers.. <snort> - the Shriners were doing a charity raffle for an ATV.

E> Ran across a couple of memorabilia dealers I hadn't seen in decades. Guys from way back before my military days when I managed a cutlery store in a mall.

F> The aftermarket stock manufacturers have all gone bling insane. The amount of accessories you can hang on an assault stock for a rifle has hit the whacko point. Flashlights and laser sights I can see. But, a bluetooth enabled camera that will send a picture of every round hitting to a social media site via your cellphone along with a GPS telling exactly where you took your shot?

G> The "Second Amendment Sisters" had a booth selling baked goods that were to die for.

H> I still have this gut feeling that there is something inherently "off" about clothing in pink woodland camouflage pattern.

Interesting to see what is available and shake the head over how much prices for everything have been inflated over the last decade.

Trump's election seems to have removed a lot of the panic attitude that the previous president fostered by giving nut jobs like Feinstein and Claybrook so much of a voice.


I bought my K that same.380 a few months ago, she loves it. We keep the brass so that a friend in Ky can repack it. Can you PM me how much you paid so I can compare pricing?




Musicmystery -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 6:31:53 AM)

Again, that was my observation -- 8 years of panic good for the cash register, nothing ever happens, but here you are.

Now breathe until the next false hysteria drives up sales and prices again.



WickedsDesire -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 6:40:45 AM)

This thread is boring the fuk out of me.

I thought sales went up under Obama as all the gun nuts and republicans jackals were saying president darkie from the jungles is going to take away your guns, introduce legislation that stops fuking nutters buying them. Not that you can actually legislate for anger – why your gun deaths are so high (in part).



WinsomeDefiance -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 7:49:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

This thread is boring the fuk out of me.

I thought sales went up under Obama as all the gun nuts and republicans jackals were saying president darkie from the jungles is going to take away your guns, introduce legislation that stops fuking nutters buying them. Not that you can actually legislate for anger – why your gun deaths are so high (in part).



Sweeping generalizations, regarding gun owners and either side of the bi-partisan political spectrum is a huge catalyst for the crap that seems to amuse you.

Not all gun owners bought guns and ammo out of fear. I would venture to say most didn't. If legislation is being introduced that makes something potentially unattainable legally, then of course consumers are going to purchase it while they have the means to do so.

Some of those consumers were/are irresponsible idiots who didn't get trained on the proper and safe use and ownership of a dangerous tool. Some were idiots who bought legally and sold to criminals illegally. I could go on. The trend shows that sales go up during times when gun owners see political trends following a particular path. Our stock market rises and falls in much the same manner.



WickedsDesire -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 8:44:53 AM)

Is there a responsible way of blowing someones brains out?
Or growing up from two years old knowing you redecorated your mums wind screen with her brain matter

Gun nut perchance?

I also added in (in part).

And worded in the manner it was the gun nuts screaming they would be harder to buy.....Politics actually bores me but I am aware of the only legislation that has not been passed by senate to the tune of 52-48 is 15 Feb 2017 - A regulation that tightened gun checks on the mentally ill may now ... the Senate, argued it stigmatised the disabled and voted it down 57 to 43...strange i thought it was 56-44 but no matter.

You give me a bar of gold to be a complete cunt and argue guns owner ship is completely awesome for all - an argument I cannot win, ever.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 9:04:37 AM)

Wickeddesire, I tend to take most of what you say as satire with a bit of theatrical whimsy. The stuff I can decipher, which I admit much of what you post feels like a mental exercise much akin to untangling yarn while herding cats.

Yes, in regards to gun deaths, you did say, "(in part)..."

However, your colorful description of gun owners and republicans painted both in a spectacular way, but with a remarkably broad brush.



WickedsDesire -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 9:35:28 AM)

People have to think for themselves. They have to travel and find their own paths.

Look I know its bipartisan (why i included that last senate vote ;) - but it was the NRA and Republican jackals screaming, in the main. America is overdue a mass shooting (tonight I feel-stoked with Syria bombing- which I totally agree with) - this I know. Okay, say in that senate vote some democrats went with the Republicans (fair enough) but did any republicans go with the democrats, even one? - see my point clearer

No-one rational will win the gun argument – your gun deaths are far too high.

Your second amendment is a piece of shit – and no-one truly knows what it means..besides, it was written for a bygone era, the wilde west, or to exterminate the native injuns.

The additional argument about it being “responsible owners” is invalid – the last 100 years, every year, 30,000-40,000 are killed via the medium of the gun. The learning period long expired ;) Do you know what 100 x even 20, 000 is? And thats dead not injured or psychologically maimed for life



WinsomeDefiance -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 10:03:11 AM)

Wicked, with respect to gun deaths - you can't lump them all together and say that getting rid of legal gun ownershjp will end or reduce homicides.

Our culture, our dirty politicians and our greed infects America in such a way that removing the legal rights of citizens to own guns would result (in my opinion ) in the same problems we have faced with "the war on drugs." Let me elaborate a bit to bopefully pull these two thoughts together.

I have a chronic disease and have lived with pain in varying degrees since I was a preteen. Because of prescription abuse, war on drugs etc., I could, if I was willing to break the law, make a phone call and pay for whatever pain meds I want. As a law abiding, non drug addicted individual, I have to jump through hoops and endure being treated like a drug addict drug seeking if I want pain medication. Personally, I manage my illness anx pain in ways where I seldom take narcotics.

It is my belief that legislating guns in such a way as to make it almost impossible for citizens to legally obtain guns for legitimate reasons would result in a more career opportunities for criminals.

It isn't that I oppose gun restrictions, it is simply that I believe the problem lies not in the legal ownership of guns but in the corrupt dealings that put guns into the hands of crim8nals as well as a huge problem with our health/insurance policies that makes getting proper treatment for mental health issues a large factor in gun death statistics.

Basically, it all seems to be a gordian knot of a mess that no single party can address civilly let alone compromise enough on to find a solution to.




WhoreMods -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 11:12:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Again, that was my observation -- 8 years of panic good for the cash register, nothing ever happens, but here you are.

Now breathe until the next false hysteria drives up sales and prices again.

Maybe the whole Syrian thing is an attempt to get lardy chickenhawks who think they're Patrick Swayze in Red Dawn to load up on guns, as el presidente thinks he's been letting down the NRA?



BamaD -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 11:13:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Again, that was my observation -- 8 years of panic good for the cash register, nothing ever happens, but here you are.

Now breathe until the next false hysteria drives up sales and prices again.

Again you dismiss concerns about gun control as false hysteria simply because the gun grabbers failed in every attempt to take away our rights.
You fail to, or refuse, to see that if the mugger fails he still attacked his intended victim.
There was no hysteria during the Obama administration, there was a concerted effort to grab every gun possible.



WickedsDesire -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 11:15:30 AM)

My computer crashed a second before I hit post (so something different) – win10 fuked screen-does that randomly 2-4 times a day.…anyone wanting to buy me a computer made of solid gold I will argue how cool guns are for a year and maybe even shoot one….seems fair :)

Because you suffer mind poverty that’s no reason to try and drag me down to your hovel. Not that the trenches scare me.

I can assure you if you laws were akin to ours the
Homicides 12 000
Suicides 20 000
Accidents 1 000
His cock was too small 57
I was aiming for a bumble bee 700 guffaws

would be ~14th of what they are now,

I have the chronic form of CFS, not a secret, and it has many monikers, and a never ending list of bizarre symptoms – so I can assure you I am very familiar with pain

The problem with America and their guns - is America itself



BamaD -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 11:15:56 AM)

FD

It is not that Trump's bad for gun sales, it is that Obama was good for sales.



Musicmystery -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 11:16:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Again, that was my observation -- 8 years of panic good for the cash register, nothing ever happens, but here you are.

Now breathe until the next false hysteria drives up sales and prices again.

Again you dismiss concerns about gun control as false hysteria simply because the gun grabbers failed in every attempt to take away our rights.
You fail to, or refuse, to see that if the mugger fails he still attacked his intended victim.
There was no hysteria during the Obama administration, there was a concerted effort to grab every gun possible.

And again, you focus on fears and speculations and possibilities, and think I'm silly to dismiss the actual results.

It's the difference between what IS reality and what you THINK COULD BE or could have been reality.

And yeah--that's some deep hysteria right there.

Difference between real and make-believe.



BamaD -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 11:24:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Again, that was my observation -- 8 years of panic good for the cash register, nothing ever happens, but here you are.

Now breathe until the next false hysteria drives up sales and prices again.

Again you dismiss concerns about gun control as false hysteria simply because the gun grabbers failed in every attempt to take away our rights.
You fail to, or refuse, to see that if the mugger fails he still attacked his intended victim.
There was no hysteria during the Obama administration, there was a concerted effort to grab every gun possible.

And again, you focus on fears and speculations and possibilities, and think I'm silly to dismiss the actual results.

It's the difference between what IS reality and what you THINK COULD BE or could have been reality.

And yeah--that's some deep hysteria right there.

Difference between real and make-believe.

No, my position is not that they may have attempted to curtail 2nd amendment rights. That is a fact.
You insist on dismissing the facts because the gun grabbers were too inept to actually get what they wanted.
The fact that they failed did not mean they didn't try.
The fact that they tried and tried means there was a threat.



Musicmystery -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 11:29:10 AM)

And you are simply repeating my point that reality and fears didn't match.

It's the very definition of paranoid delusion.



bounty44 -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 11:30:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Again, that was my observation -- 8 years of panic good for the cash register, nothing ever happens, but here you are.

Now breathe until the next false hysteria drives up sales and prices again.


do you know how on more than one occasion I have used the phrase "smug pompous ass" to describe you?

let me point how in this instance that moniker its fitting.

you ascribe derogatory or base motivations to people's behavior who hold to principles with which you disagree.

people behaved commercially like normal people would when a product they desire or value is potentially being threatened. its not panic or hysteria or fear, its prudence.

as if that were not enough, you've had either that or similar responses given to you throughout the thread, and yet "here you are" still.




WickedsDesire -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 11:34:41 AM)

Obama was good for them - besides there are only so many guns people can buy and wank into, with their pathetic Americashire jackal drizzle of feebleness. I once came so hard I launched some bint into orbit…the medical examiner chalked that one too misadventure



Musicmystery -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 11:38:14 AM)

I pointed out that (a) people feared X, and spend 5 times the previous amount in that fear, and
(b) X never happened.

When things never happen but you act as if they were going to, that's not "prudence."

No matter how many people pretend it is, it doesn't become so, anymore than centuries of "the world is flat" smashed down the globe.

I'm sorry you find reality "smug" and "pompous." You can save that, because no one cares what you think of anyone anyway.

Now, if you and your buddies were laying out actual proven plots to grab your firearm stash, and your purchases heroically stopped that, sure, enlighten us. But instead, you are just repeating your believe in a common "OMG the liberals are coming" mythology.

Yet here you are still. And armed--5 times as much as you were.

I think you were played. You think you were "prudent." I'm sure the firearm industry appreciates your patronage.



WinsomeDefiance -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 11:47:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

My computer crashed a second before I hit post (so something different) – win10 fuked screen-does that randomly 2-4 times a day.…anyone wanting to buy me a computer made of solid gold I will argue how cool guns are for a year and maybe even shoot one….seems fair :)

Because you suffer mind poverty that’s no reason to try and drag me down to your hovel. Not that the trenches scare me.

I can assure you if you laws were akin to ours the
Homicides 12 000
Suicides 20 000
Accidents 1 000
His cock was too small 57
I was aiming for a bumble bee 700 guffaws

would be ~14th of what they are now,

I have the chronic form of CFS, not a secret, and it has many monikers, and a never ending list of bizarre symptoms – so I can assure you I am very familiar with pain

The problem with America and their guns - is America itself



The point wasn't about pain. Mine or anyone's. My point was about corruption and how it makes criminals rich and puts law abiding citizens at a disadvantage.

Discussing this with you, results in insults from you claiming I have mind poverty and that I am trying to drag you down to my hovel. Which makes polite discourse an exercise in futility. Since another of my points is differing parties can't discuss the points civilly let alone come to compromises that could benefit anyone, this serves to illustrate my point.






WickedsDesire -> RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales (4/8/2017 12:04:54 PM)

Hark unto I - what do they, medical examiners, chalk some two year old kid splattering its mums brains all over the shop/windscreen/to the evermore - do you believe these are isolated incidents? Because it never happens here, fool. All you have illustrated is your own foolishness and limits. I can but show you lot the path. What you chose to do with that path is up to you, if you want to shit on it so be it. Not like I give a flying fuk, but perhaps I am curious as to how many dung holes a piece of frothing deranged dung can fill with an emese load of wreckage...do you fill it faster than you can dig - I always wondered.

That aside, as sometimes things are lost in translation, we all know what a cowpat is? Well I know everyone from UK jackal lands knows what I mean...Americashire?



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