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Lucylastic -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/9/2017 9:29:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


What facts are there? Speculation by L. O'Donnell and a like-minded panel are now facts?


WEll, derp, Id rather see what O donnell actually said, not how breitbart spins it..
dumbarse.
those are the facts, what he said, as opposed to spin.
sorry you dont get that.
I said clearly at the beginning of the post
see the conspiracy via msnbc


jumped on the ass bus again.





bounty44 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/10/2017 5:44:46 AM)

"The Rice Controversy: Is The Media Proving Trump Correct?"

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Below is my recent column in The Hill Newspaper on the Rice controversy. Media spins for Rice continue including MSNBC “AM Joy” host Joy Reid describing the softball interview with Andrea Mitchell as “She was on with our own Andrea Mitchell yesterday trying to explain how government works, for those that don’t know.” Of course, unmasking political opponents (if the allegations are proven to be true), would not be how the government is supposed work. Nor is alleging lying about knowing nothing about the unmasking in prior interviews — a curious conflict with Reid’s take that Rice was trying to explain government. This was Rice’s second or third explanation. It appears that Trump is the temptation that many journalists simply cannot resist. It is a Faustian bargain: media is so intent on pursuing Trump that they have lost any sense of their own navigational beacons of objectivity and neutrality.

There is a common expression in the media that there are “some facts too good to check.” It is used in jest to reflect how you sometimes hate to give up a great story for the real facts. That tension was well on display this week as media seemed to tie itself into knots to avoid admitting that there are legitimate questions raised by the “unmasking” allegations surrounding the actions of Obama National Security Advisor Susan Rice.

For weeks, the media has hammered President Trump over his sensational tweets accusing President Obama of “wiretapping” Trump Tower. The media was right to demand proof and to castigate the administration for a less than forthcoming response to the controversy.

Then came the disclosure that Susan Rice had repeatedly asked for the unmasking of the protected identities of Trump associates who were intercepted by American intelligence in the course of lawful surveillance. By any objective measure, that should be a major story. Rice may have an explanation but, at least on its face, it would confirm the interception of Trump aides by the Obama administration.

Instead of acknowledging that this is a serious development, the immediate response of the media was to actively debunk the story and portray it as facially invalid. CNN anchor Chris Cuomo responded to the story with the following: “All right, President Trump, right-wing media types [are] peddling a fake scandal.” CNN anchor Don Lemon called the story a “diversion” and refused to discuss it so “not insult your intelligence.”

In the meantime, NBC had Andrea Mitchell interview Rice. One would think that any interview would begin where Rice had left the controversy just last month in an interview on PBS Newshour. Rice was asked about the allegations of unmasking raised by House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes and responded with a categorical denial: “I know nothing about this. I was surprised to see reports from Chairman Nunes on that count today … So today, I really don’t know to what Chairman Nunes was referring. But he said that whatever he was referring to was a legal, lawful surveillance and that it was potentially incidental collection on American citizens.”

It would seem a rather newsworthy place to start, right? Yet, in the segment, Mitchell asked nary a single question on the prior statement. Not one. Instead, she spent time discussing the “politicized” investigation of the House Intelligence Committee and outrage over Trump’s tweets. She never got around to noting that Rice was saying something diametrically at odds to her prior statement on this very controversy.

She was not alone. ABC News ran an interview with Rice and again never mentioned to the viewers that she said the opposite on a national news program just weeks ago.

Instead, the media actively sought to focus on aspects of Rice’s statement that could still be supported. Media insisted that that was no proof that Rice leaked the information. Indeed, Rice said that she has never — ever — leaked anything as a high-ranking government official. If so, she would be in one of the smallest groups of Washington (that could be a difficult question under oath in a future hearing). The threshold question is whether Trump aides were indeed subject to surveillance and were indeed unmasked. Alternatively, the media hit on the fact that such surveillance is legal. Of course, the use of lawful surveillance in an abusive way could still be abusive and, yes, newsworthy.

The media also did not pursue the question of how the unmasked transcripts might have been shared with officials like former National Intelligence chief James Clapper, who also said that he had no knowledge of such unmasking. Clapper and Rice would seem to warrant such added probing. After all, Clapper lied about his knowledge of one of the most massive secret surveillance programs in history and later explained that he simply chose “the least untruthful” answer to give the Senate.

For her part, Rice has been repeatedly criticized for past false statements. The most glaring was her repeated public statements in 2012, that the Benghazi terror attacks were spontaneous responses to a “hateful” Internet video. Later it was shown that the administration already knew the Benghazi attacks were the result of terrorism and unnamed administration officials criticized Rice for misrepresenting the facts. Rice later said that she did “regret that the information I was provided was wrong. That doesn’t make me a liar.” That is correct but it also does not make Rice the most reliable source. So why run a story and not lead (or even mention) a prior conflicting question?

A more serious question is raised by the other ignored aspect of this story. For years, many of us have criticized the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which allows surveillance without meeting the warrant requirements of the Fourth Amendment. The law is filled with nice sounding protections that are practically meaningless. That includes the rule that Americans incidentally intercepted on surveillance of foreign targets must have their identities “masked.”

U.S. Signals Intelligence Directive (Section 18) only allows unmasking of the identity of U.S persons when it is essential to national security. The question is why the identity of Trump aides satisfied this standard if there was no evidence (as has been reported) of collusion. Nevertheless, this intent standard is difficult to violate absent a confession or incriminating statement.

Objectively, a reporter might want to ask Rice how privacy is protected when she can just routinely unmask names without any serious review or need for explanation. That concern would seem particularly great when these are the names of Republican operatives on a campaign criticizing your administration. Indeed, Rice herself was a common target of such criticism by Trump aides.

I happen to share the anger in the media over the treatment of the press by this president. However, journalistic ethics require reporters to transcend such anger and maintain objectivity. It often means acknowledging facts that favor someone who has shown little respect for the press. That is the point of the joke. No matter how much we might prefer blissful ignorance, there are no facts too good to check.

Reporters are now so committed to refuting Trump that they are refuting actual stories. The loss of objectivity in the response to the Rice story reflects a broader problem of the press focusing so hard on Trump that it is losing sight of its own bearings. The irony is that Trump was wrong about the media but many in the media seem to be working hard to prove him right.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University


https://jonathanturley.org/2017/04/10/the-rice-controversy-is-the-media-proving-trump-correct/




CreativeDominant -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/10/2017 6:45:01 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


What facts are there? Speculation by L. O'Donnell and a like-minded panel are now facts?


WEll, derp, Id rather see what O donnell actually said, not how breitbart spins it..
dumbarse.
those are the facts, what he said, as opposed to spin.
sorry you dont get that.
I said clearly at the beginning of the post
see the conspiracy via msnbc


jumped on the ass bus again.


Right. Because O'Donnell never spins things...sort of like Maddow...or Don Lemon.




BoscoX -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/10/2017 6:45:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

quote:

Reporters are now so committed to refuting Trump that they are refuting actual stories. The loss of objectivity in the response to the Rice story reflects a broader problem of the press focusing so hard on Trump that it is losing sight of its own bearings. The irony is that Trump was wrong about the media but many in the media seem to be working hard to prove him right.

https://jonathanturley.org/2017/04/10/the-rice-controversy-is-the-media-proving-trump-correct/






Good article. Hard hitting. Except the president was correct about the press




BoscoX -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/10/2017 6:50:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


What facts are there? Speculation by L. O'Donnell and a like-minded panel are now facts?


WEll, derp, Id rather see what O donnell actually said, not how breitbart spins it..
dumbarse.
those are the facts, what he said, as opposed to spin.
sorry you dont get that.
I said clearly at the beginning of the post
see the conspiracy via msnbc


jumped on the ass bus again.


Right. Because O'Donnell never spins things...sort of like Maddow...or Don Lemon.



Her bizarre looney conspiracy theory copy & paste fits perfectly into her jello-brained faggot meme cartoon world where news and information is found on propagandized comedy shows




Lucylastic -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/10/2017 6:50:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


What facts are there? Speculation by L. O'Donnell and a like-minded panel are now facts?


WEll, derp, Id rather see what O donnell actually said, not how breitbart spins it..
dumbarse.
those are the facts, what he said, as opposed to spin.
sorry you dont get that.
I said clearly at the beginning of the post
see the conspiracy via msnbc


jumped on the ass bus again.


Right. Because O'Donnell never spins things...sort of like Maddow...or Don Lemon.


You dont think "msnbc conspiracy" at the top of the post was sufficient?
Unlike you, I prefer the source material when I can find it...
I understand that you might love breitbarts spin, but the source is what I gave.
Try it sometime...





Lucylastic -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/10/2017 6:56:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


What facts are there? Speculation by L. O'Donnell and a like-minded panel are now facts?


WEll, derp, Id rather see what O donnell actually said, not how breitbart spins it..
dumbarse.
those are the facts, what he said, as opposed to spin.
sorry you dont get that.
I said clearly at the beginning of the post
see the conspiracy via msnbc


jumped on the ass bus again.


Right. Because O'Donnell never spins things...sort of like Maddow...or Don Lemon.



Her bizarre looney conspiracy theory copy & paste fits perfectly into her jello-brained faggot meme cartoon world where news and information is found on propagandized comedy shows

Is your ego on viagra?
you havent proven me wrong yet.
And I didnt use shouty caps to make myself feel relevant
Im doing rather well thankyou....




BoscoX -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/10/2017 7:02:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


What facts are there? Speculation by L. O'Donnell and a like-minded panel are now facts?


WEll, derp, Id rather see what O donnell actually said, not how breitbart spins it..
dumbarse.
those are the facts, what he said, as opposed to spin.
sorry you dont get that.
I said clearly at the beginning of the post
see the conspiracy via msnbc


jumped on the ass bus again.


Right. Because O'Donnell never spins things...sort of like Maddow...or Don Lemon.



Her bizarre looney conspiracy theory copy & paste fits perfectly into her jello-brained faggot meme cartoon world where news and information is found on propagandized comedy shows

Is your ego on viagra?
you havent proven me wrong yet.
And I didnt use shouty caps to make myself feel relevant
Im doing rather well thankyou....



No, you use faggot memes, cartoons, and insane copy & paste conspiracy theories

"Shouty caps" are so below you [:D]




CreativeDominant -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/10/2017 8:21:49 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


What facts are there? Speculation by L. O'Donnell and a like-minded panel are now facts?


WEll, derp, Id rather see what O donnell actually said, not how breitbart spins it..
dumbarse.
those are the facts, what he said, as opposed to spin.
sorry you dont get that.
I said clearly at the beginning of the post
see the conspiracy via msnbc


jumped on the ass bus again.


Right. Because O'Donnell never spins things...sort of like Maddow...or Don Lemon.


You dont think "msnbc conspiracy" at the top of the post was sufficient?
Unlike you, I prefer the source material when I can find it...
I understand that you might love breitbarts spin, but the source is what I gave.
Try it sometime...


Unlike you, I gave up Breitbart after the first couple times I read it. Like MSNBC and CNN and others, they tend to put a wildly partisan spin on things. However, at least they're honest about their partisanship.




Musicmystery -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/10/2017 8:49:35 AM)

Probably not the last sentence. They run a lot of crap as "news" when it's alt-right self-serving nonsense.




Lucylastic -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/10/2017 9:01:48 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


What facts are there? Speculation by L. O'Donnell and a like-minded panel are now facts?


WEll, derp, Id rather see what O donnell actually said, not how breitbart spins it..
dumbarse.
those are the facts, what he said, as opposed to spin.
sorry you dont get that.
I said clearly at the beginning of the post
see the conspiracy via msnbc


jumped on the ass bus again.


Right. Because O'Donnell never spins things...sort of like Maddow...or Don Lemon.


You dont think "msnbc conspiracy" at the top of the post was sufficient?
Unlike you, I prefer the source material when I can find it...
I understand that you might love breitbarts spin, but the source is what I gave.
Try it sometime...


Unlike you, I gave up Breitbart after the first couple times I read it. Like MSNBC and CNN and others, they tend to put a wildly partisan spin on things. However, at least they're honest about their partisanship.


I wasnt the one who laid claim to breitbart being corrrect
so use your powers of deductions to moan at the right idiot.




BoscoX -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/11/2017 12:23:30 PM)

FR

Another new Susan Rice scandal -

WaPo: Susan Rice's Comments On Syrian Chemical Weapons Was A Total Lie

Just another phoney two-bit baloney leftist political hack, who collected a big fat government paycheck while working only for the Democrat party




mnottertail -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/11/2017 1:38:08 PM)

It is hardly a scandal. It might rise to a kerfluffle if you could prove that those chemicals were not made after 2013 up till the time of their use, and of course you cannot, but you can felchgobble and cockgargle and compound gimp and become hysterically anti-homosexual as you always do.




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/11/2017 6:22:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

FR

Another new Susan Rice scandal -

WaPo: Susan Rice's Comments On Syrian Chemical Weapons Was A Total Lie

Just another phoney two-bit baloney leftist political hack, who collected a big fat government paycheck while working only for the Democrat party


This is hilarious

Nunes is a bungling political hack and liar http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/11/politics/intelligence-contradicts-nunes-unmasking-claims/index.html

Republican and Democrat lawmakers who have ACTUALLY seen the surveillance documents say Nunes is full of shit.

Oh, and BTW... The FBI was investigating Carter Page on a FISA Warrant!!!

FISA warrant on Carter Page https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-obtained-fisa-warrant-to-monitor-former-trump-adviser-carter-page/2017/04/11/620192ea-1e0e-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_page710pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.afb9ff442f43

Oh no... totally scandalous for the National Security Adviser to want to know who Carter Page was talking to!! ROFL!!!
Keep in mind, Carter Page was ALREADY unmasked. He was being investigated as a FOREIGN agent, hmmmm, for which country??? Oh? RUSSIA!!!!

Nahhh nothing to see here.... No Trump Russia connection... Too funny




Lucylastic -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/11/2017 7:03:54 PM)

Bosco is henceforth known as Sean.




Dvr22999874 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/11/2017 7:05:55 PM)

Isn't sean a bald sheep ?




Lucylastic -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/11/2017 7:11:07 PM)

well hes not entirely bald but he is a sheep.




Dvr22999874 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/11/2017 7:13:25 PM)

Hopefully, just one of those sheeps that pass in the night




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/11/2017 7:28:36 PM)

Withdrawn




Nnanji -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/11/2017 8:21:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

well hes not entirely bald but he is a sheep.


And you ...dear...are a sock for the mental patient.




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