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Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Latest C... - 4/4/2017 9:06:57 PM   
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BEIRUT (AP) — A chemical weapons attack in an opposition-held town in northern Syria killed dozens of people on Tuesday, leaving residents gasping for breath and convulsing in the streets and overcrowded hospitals. The Trump administration blamed the Syrian government for the attack, one of the deadliest in years, and said Syria's patrons, Russia and Iran, bore "great moral responsibility" for the deaths.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said at least 58 people died, including 11 children, in the early morning attack in the town of Khan Sheikhoun, which witnesses said was carried out by Sukhoi jets operated by the Russian and Syrian governments.

Videos from the scene showed volunteer medics using fire hoses to wash the chemicals from victims' bodies. Haunting images of lifeless children piled in heaps reflected the magnitude of the attack, which was reminiscent of a 2013 chemical assault that left hundreds dead and was the worst in the country's ruinous six-year civil war.

Tuesday's attack drew swift condemnation from world leaders, including President Donald Trump, who denounced it as a "heinous" act that "cannot be ignored by the civilized world." The U.N. Security Council scheduled an emergency meeting for Wednesday in response to the strike, which came on the eve of a major international donors' conference in Brussels on the future of Syria and the region.

In a statement, Trump also blamed former President Barack Obama for "weakness" in failing to respond aggressively after the 2013 attack.

"These heinous actions by the Bashar al-Assad regime are a consequence of the past administration's weakness and irresolution," Trump said. "President Obama said in 2012 that he would establish a 'red line' against the use of chemical weapons and then did nothing. The United States stands with our allies across the globe to condemn this intolerable attack."

Trump left it to his top diplomat, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, to assign at least some blame to Russia and Iran, Assad's most powerful allies. Tillerson called on both countries to use their influence over Assad to prevent future chemical weapons attacks, and noted Russia's and Iran's roles in helping broker a cease-fire through diplomatic talks in the Kazakh capital, Astana.

"As the self-proclaimed guarantors to the cease-fire negotiated in Astana, Russia and Iran also bear great moral responsibility for these deaths," Tillerson said.

In a statement, the Syrian government "categorically rejected" claims that it was responsible, asserting that it does not possess chemical weapons, hasn't used them in the past and will not use them in the future. It laid the blame squarely on the rebels, accusing them of fabricating the attack and trying to frame the Syrian government.

The Russian Defense Ministry said the Khan Sheikhoun residents were exposed to toxic agents from a rebel arsenal hit by a Syrian air strike.

The ministry spokesman, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, said in a statement early Wednesday that Russian military assets registered the strike on a weapons depots and ammunition factory on the town's eastern outskirts. Konashenkov said the factory produced chemical weapons that were used in Iraq.

Photos and video emerging from Khan Sheikhoun, located south of the provincial capital of Idlib, showed the limp bodies of children and adults. Some were struggling to breathe; others appeared to be foaming at the mouth.

The activist-run Assi Press published video of paramedics carrying victims, stripped down to their underwear and many appearing unresponsive, from the scene in pickup trucks.

It was not immediately clear if all those killed died from suffocation or were struck by other airstrikes that occurred in the area around the same time.

It was the third claim of a chemical attack in just over a week in Syria. The previous two were reported in Hama province, in an area not far from Khan Sheikhoun.


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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/4/2017 9:39:10 PM   
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Assad has no chem weapons. Ask Porton Down. He gave them all back.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/4/2017 10:28:50 PM   
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Interesting that the same leftists who screamed that Muslims are savages who need iron-fisted, bloodthirsty tyrants such as Saddam Hussein to keep them down... Are now lining up, to brown nose Obama for overthrowing those fighting ISIS and creating as many power vacuums as possible as fast as possible for groups such as ISIS to exploit

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/4/2017 10:33:23 PM   
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Trump will have to consult with Putin before he does anything.
Since Putin is supplying Assad with the chemicals, there's a good chance he will say no.

So Trump will do nothing.

Blaming Obama is absurd since it was the GOP who blocked him from taking action after the 2013 attacks.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-republicans-poised-to-say-no-on-syria/article/2535027

This has nothing to do with Obama-- they are testing Trump.

He is a weak leader and he will fail.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/4/2017 10:38:59 PM   
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Trump will have to consult with Putin before he does anything.
Since Putin is supplying Assad with the chemicals, there's a good chance he will say no.

So Trump will do nothing.

Blaming Obama is absurd since it was the GOP who blocked him from taking action after the 2013 attacks.
This has nothing to do with Obama-- they are testing Trump.

He is a weak leader and he will fail.


Let Merkel handle it.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/4/2017 10:46:51 PM   
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Let Merkel handle it.


The thing about that is that until recently, the US used to be the country that our allies looked to for leadership. This is no longer the case.

This means that our allies are divided on how to proceed, which means that Putin, Assad, etc... win.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/4/2017 10:51:13 PM   
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Let Merkel handle it.


The thing about that is that until recently, the US used to be the country that our allies looked to for leadership. This is no longer the case.

This means that our allies are divided on how to proceed, which means that Putin, Assad, etc... win.


Things change. I guess the allies better get their shit together.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/4/2017 10:58:56 PM   
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Trump Blames Obama For Gas Attack In Syria, Despite Changing Stance

President Donald Trump on Tuesday blamed the Obama administration for a suspected gas attack against a rebel-held area in Syria that killed dozens of people, despite recent comments from senior officials who indicated the United States would no longer pursue Syrian President Bashar Assad’s ouster.

"Today's chemical attack in Syria against innocent people, including women and children is reprehensible and cannot be ignored by the civilized world," Trump said in a statement released by the White House. "These heinous actions by the Bashar al-Assad regime are a consequence of the past administration's weakness and irresolution.”

White House press secretary Sean Spicer initially read the statement during an off-camera press briefing Tuesday morning, though it wasn't clear at the time that it was attributed to Trump.

"President Obama said in 2012 he would establish a 'red line' against the use of chemical weapons, and then did nothing,” Trump continued. “The United States stands with our allies across the globe to condemn this intolerable attack."

Spicer added during the briefing, responding to questions, that he saw no relationship between the gas attack and recent statements from Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley.

Tillerson said in Turkey last Thursday that the “longer-term status of President Assad will be decided by the Syrian people." And Haley Haley said in New York the same day, “Our priority is no longer to sit and focus on getting Assad out.”

On Tuesday, Tillerson said that Russia and Iran bear "great moral responsibility" for deaths resulting from the attack, according to the Associated Press.

Both statements reversed the United States’ policy during the Obama administration, which emphasized the need for Assad to step aside.

“The statements by both Secretary Tillerson and Ambassador Haley speak to the political realities of the situation in Syria,” Spicer said. “I think we had opportunities in the past several years to look at regime change. I think the landscape is fundamentally different than it is today.”

Trump, Spicer said, was meeting with his national security team, but would not “telegraph” the United States' response to the attack.

Asked if the White House was ruling out the possibility that Russia – which has supported Assad with airstrikes in Syria – was involved in the attack, Spicer seemed to confirm as much.

“The statement is very clear as far as who we believe is to be blame and how we believe we’re reacting to it,” he said.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/4/2017 10:59:39 PM   
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Let Merkel handle it.


The thing about that is that until recently, the US used to be the country that our allies looked to for leadership. This is no longer the case.

This means that our allies are divided on how to proceed, which means that Putin, Assad, etc... win.


Things change. I guess the allies better get their shit together.



Impeaching Trump would definitely help.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/4/2017 11:03:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Trump will have to consult with Putin before he does anything.
Since Putin is supplying Assad with the chemicals, there's a good chance he will say no.

So Trump will do nothing.

Blaming Obama is absurd since it was the GOP who blocked him from taking action after the 2013 attacks.
This has nothing to do with Obama-- they are testing Trump.

He is a weak leader and he will fail.


Yeah, he should try Obama diplomacy when he meets Putin. A deep bow should do the trick.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/4/2017 11:05:52 PM   
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Maybe he will do a merkel again.
oh no, she is a woman, she doesnt deserve any respect.
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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/4/2017 11:14:11 PM   
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Interesting that the same leftists who screamed that Muslims are savages who need iron-fisted, bloodthirsty tyrants such as Saddam Hussein to keep them down...

As pointed out earlier, any futile effort to your education beyond third grade was a waste of tax dollars.

And don't tell me about not being willing to make argument vs. your drivel, because that's all you have and all you ever present, and no thinking person would do anything other than tell you to do evolution a favor and just STFU.


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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 6:11:44 AM   
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Interesting that the same leftists who screamed that Muslims are savages who need iron-fisted, bloodthirsty tyrants such as Saddam Hussein to keep them down... Are now lining up, to brown nose Obama for overthrowing those fighting ISIS and creating as many power vacuums as possible as fast as possible for groups such as ISIS to exploit


Just who did Obama overthrow?

President Obama pulled troops out of Iraq, downsized our troops in Afghanistan and since that happened, both ISIS and the Taliban has gained ground.

And for the record, it was not leftists that screamed that iron fisted tyrants like Hussein would have kept the more radical Islamic groups in check, EVERY military expert in the world has said as much.

Consider the facts:
1) While Hussein was in power, radical extremist Islamic groups could get no foothold in Iraq, Al Qaeda members (and their families) in Iraq were arrested and executed without trial, other groups didnt dare make an overt move simply because the man and his supporters would kill them outright.

2) As soon as Hussein was taken out, every fanatic Islamic group immediately began insurgent activities in Iraq, primarily because the government that the coalition put in power was too weak willed and fragmented that they couldn't do shit to stop them.

They went out of their way to prove they were better than Hussein when dealing with criminals and extremists.

Bottom line is that taking out Hussein was a pyrrhic victory. We took out a madman and destabilized the entire region.

Hussein had them more afraid of him and his followers than they were anything else, which is what the US and every nation fighting Islamic terrorists need to accomplish, make them more afraid of us than they are of dying for their beliefs.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 6:25:06 AM   
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There is no man so blind, as that blind man who refuses to see

(Oh yeah, the Middle East is really stable now)

"We came, we saw, he died." - Hillary Clinton

And

How Obama's Arab Spring Created the Islamic State

As well as

Former Egyptian Ambassador: Trump Should Undo Obama's Sponsorship of Muslim Brotherhood

(The same radical terrorist group that overthrew our allied Egyptian government )

I hope you don't mind that I didn't take forever putting together those links for you, because I know that things like facts and history mattter not to morons such as yourself, who cannot see beyond their own nose

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 7:32:24 AM   
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Well, as long as you want to go back to previous presidents for blame, it was Bush and the neo-cons who said we'll just topple Iraq and Afghanistan and democracy will spread across Arabia.

Syria is a mess. Clinton was hawkish on it, so increased war was going to happen whomever won this joke of an election.

But it's civilians paying the cost. And Americans refusing to help refugees escape...because they're Muslim.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 7:37:03 AM   
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As I remember it, it was in the real media, but probably didnt make the nutsucker slobberblogs, Obama went to congress and said do you want to give me authorization to go in and clean up Syria, and the nutsuckers shit their pants and felchgobbled and proudly strutted their cowardice.

He did that just after he told them I dont need no paper from you to do Libya (which he didnt) and they were all butthurt and bored out about it.

And thats why you dont ask nutsuckers for anything, they just shit their pants and felchgobble and blame it on everyone but themselves, the real problem.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 7:51:00 AM   
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Well, as long as you want to go back to previous presidents for blame, it was Bush and the neo-cons who said we'll just topple Iraq and Afghanistan and democracy will spread across Arabia.


You are a moron. Hillary and Bill Clinton, John Kerry and Al Gore, and most every Dem, Harry Reid etc, gave speeches in favor of removing Saddam and / or voted for the Iraq war

And President Bush persevered toward stabilizing Iraq and Afghanistan, as opposed to your dishonest sleazeball straw man argument

To the point that Obama took credit for the huge success he inherited in Iraq

Need me to link to what he and Biden said again, you've seen it so many times you should have it memorized

When Obama's turn came around he handed the whole thing over to his ISIS friends, didnt he

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Syria is a mess. Clinton was hawkish on it, so increased war was going to happen whomever won this joke of an election.

But it's civilians paying the cost. And Americans refusing to help refugees escape...because they're Muslim.


Syria is a mess because of Obamas policies, because of Hillary, and because Muslims create Syrias wherever they go

"So let's bring as much Syria here as we can"




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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 7:52:44 AM   
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Yeah yeah yeah old man, eeeeveryone is a faggot

We've heard it all before

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 7:52:52 AM   
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Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama!

The GOP controls everything right now. And yet...impotent.

So sad.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 7:54:13 AM   
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Syria is a mess because of Obamas policies, because of Hillary, and because Muslims create Syrias wherever they go

So the invasion by daesh and the other rebel factions who've risen up against Assad are nothing to do with his family having spent the last forty years shirt stirring as much as they can over as much of the rest of the middle east as they could, then?

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