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Dvr22999874 -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 7:57:13 PM)
Tamaka............................through history there have been a couple of wars like that ; 'The War of Jenkins Ear' is one that springs to mind but if this one goes hot, I think the dead might be the lucky ones, as has been said before. There are now two bullies facing up to each other, over a pissant little nation that means very little in the grand scheme of things, except to give them something to fight over. The gods must be laughing their heads off.

Edwird -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 8:07:14 PM)
As if N Korea needed such convincing in the first place. For those who've missed out, N Korea has been at the nukes for ten years already.

vincentML -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 8:22:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka We meaning the US Military. That's what they are paid to do. Yes, that was especially true in past wars. But, what is Trump's strategy and end game for Syria? Does he plan to fight the Russians and Iranians who have troops on the ground in Syria? Does he he plan to confront Russia's nuclear power? Will North Korea use the excuse of our confrontation with Russia and Iran to fire a nuclear war head at one of our West Coast cities, or to launch their fire power against Saigon which is only about 23(?) miles south of the armistice line? We have 50,000 or more Americans in South Korea, btw. It's all very interlocked, isn't it? I hope he moves and speaks carefully.

Musicmystery -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 8:24:07 PM)
I'm sorry if you weren't able to grasp the gist of that. Carry on. Nothing to see here.

Musicmystery -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 8:26:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka We meaning the US Military. That's what they are paid to do. Yes, that was especially true in past wars. But, what is Trump's strategy and end game for Syria? Does he plan to fight the Russians and Iranians who have troops on the ground in Syria? Does he he plan to confront Russia's nuclear power? Will North Korea use the excuse of our confrontation with Russia and Iran to fire a nuclear war head at one of our West Coast cities, or to launch their fire power against Saigon which is only about 23(?) miles south of the armistice line? We have 50,000 or more Americans in South Korea, btw. It's all very interlocked, isn't it? I hope he moves and speaks carefully. We pay them to die? What has happened to this country's sanity?

Edwird -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 8:34:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I'm sorry if you weren't able to grasp the gist of that. The gist of your post I responded to was that the most recent US action was as sole provocation or at least newfound justification for N Korean nuke endeavor instigated more than ten years ago, correct my misinterpretation if the latter being the case.

Kirata -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 8:42:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML But, what is Trump's strategy and end game for Syria? Does he plan to fight the Russians and Iranians who have troops on the ground in Syria? Does he he plan to confront Russia's nuclear power? Will North Korea use the excuse of our confrontation with Russia and Iran to fire a nuclear war head at one of our West Coast cities, or to launch their fire power against Saigon which is only about 23(?) miles south of the armistice line? We have 50,000 or more Americans in South Korea, btw. Is that due to climate change? [:)] K.

Musicmystery -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 8:43:55 PM)
From the Independent: North Korea says US air strikes on Syria prove it is 'the right choice' to have nuclear weapons 'The reality of today proves our decision to strengthen our military power to stand against force with force was the right choice a million times over,' spokesperson says Look it up if you want, dismiss it if you want, but I'm done having pointless pissing matches here. Enjoy.

Edwird -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 8:56:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird Slave trade built many an expansive estate mansion in England and France and the Netherlands, and many a Barronancy and Lordship bestowed etc.as result, after they made laws against practice of slavery in their own immediate country, sorry you missed that one. You can 'blah blah' all you want, but you have made it plain that you have no appreciation whatsoever of any history, nor that I actually pointed out that it took forever to get the Protestants to get it straightened out among themselves what it was to be about to begin with. No matter how much you want to avoid it, this country started as result of disagreement on terms of whether the state (as in England) or the Protestant sect of whatever sort in Europe or the Colonies had rights to burn or drown 12 yr. old girls. But fell free to blah blah blah about a document conjured for convenient purpose at the time, which I don't entirely disagree with, as having anything to do with today's world. Falling back on a document that helped us win independence 240 yrs. ago in attempt to make a point against 'the government' in today's world of Google, Amazon, etc, is just plain silly. The history behind the US Constitution is immaterial, Which in such instance means that the document itself is immaterial. But carry on. quote: Do you think the US Constitution is a valid document by which the US Federal Government is bound? Does it's compromise beginnings make it a worthless document, regardless of time period? No, I rather think that your ignorance of how the government works as provided for by that document is yet another clumsy effort on your part to claim that the Constitution meant anything about a firm and inflexible set of rules bound to the business and industry and societal norms and acceptable conventions of that particular moment. Both the Constitution itself and the adjoining first ten amendments quite explicitly allowed for adjustment as various circumstances may require. Or are you trying to say that you are still against the women's vote? quote: Like it or not, we have a 240 year old Constitution that was ratified by the people in the States, forming our government. It has been amended as the majority of people in at least 3/4 of the States have seen fit. We don't get to pick and choose which parts we follow and those we don't. Read what you just said. This is what is referred to as "stepping in it."

tamaka -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 9:01:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka We meaning the US Military. That's what they are paid to do. Yes, that was especially true in past wars. But, what is Trump's strategy and end game for Syria? Does he plan to fight the Russians and Iranians who have troops on the ground in Syria? Does he he plan to confront Russia's nuclear power? Will North Korea use the excuse of our confrontation with Russia and Iran to fire a nuclear war head at one of our West Coast cities, or to launch their fire power against Saigon which is only about 23(?) miles south of the armistice line? We have 50,000 or more Americans in South Korea, btw. It's all very interlocked, isn't it? I hope he moves and speaks carefully. We pay them to die? What has happened to this country's sanity? We pay them to be willing to die for their country. Yes that's right.

Edwird -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 9:03:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery From the Independent: North Korea says US air strikes on Syria prove it is 'the right choice' to have nuclear weapons 'The reality of today proves our decision to strengthen our military power to stand against force with force was the right choice a million times over,' spokesperson says Look it up if you want, dismiss it if you want, but I'm done having pointless pissing matches here. Enjoy. "North Korea says it, I believe it, that settles it!" Yes, I do recall reading a bumper sticker or two to that same effect some years ago. Ah, nostalgia.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 9:11:14 PM)
When was the last time you fired a shot in anger and actually caused the death of another human being tamaka ? When was the last time you buried a close comrade in a closed coffin ceremony ? Please stop being a 'Go on' hero.

tamaka -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 9:16:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka We meaning the US Military. That's what they are paid to do. Yes, that was especially true in past wars. But, what is Trump's strategy and end game for Syria? Does he plan to fight the Russians and Iranians who have troops on the ground in Syria? Does he he plan to confront Russia's nuclear power? Will North Korea use the excuse of our confrontation with Russia and Iran to fire a nuclear war head at one of our West Coast cities, or to launch their fire power against Saigon which is only about 23(?) miles south of the armistice line? We have 50,000 or more Americans in South Korea, btw. It's all very interlocked, isn't it? I hope he moves and speaks carefully. I think the end game is that we don't want Russia and Iran to control Syria. Directly or indirectly.

vincentML -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 9:17:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML But, what is Trump's strategy and end game for Syria? Does he plan to fight the Russians and Iranians who have troops on the ground in Syria? Does he he plan to confront Russia's nuclear power? Will North Korea use the excuse of our confrontation with Russia and Iran to fire a nuclear war head at one of our West Coast cities, or to launch their fire power against Saigon which is only about 23(?) miles south of the armistice line? We have 50,000 or more Americans in South Korea, btw. Is that due to climate change? [:)] K. [:D] Oops. Guess I should have said Seoul.

vincentML -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 9:19:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka We meaning the US Military. That's what they are paid to do. Yes, that was especially true in past wars. But, what is Trump's strategy and end game for Syria? Does he plan to fight the Russians and Iranians who have troops on the ground in Syria? Does he he plan to confront Russia's nuclear power? Will North Korea use the excuse of our confrontation with Russia and Iran to fire a nuclear war head at one of our West Coast cities, or to launch their fire power against Saigon which is only about 23(?) miles south of the armistice line? We have 50,000 or more Americans in South Korea, btw. It's all very interlocked, isn't it? I hope he moves and speaks carefully. I think the end game is that we don't want Russia and Iran to control Syria. Directly or indirectly. OK, that seems to be a reasonable answer, tamaka. Now question #2 . . . Why not?

Dvr22999874 -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 9:26:21 PM)
I think I would give the Russians Iraq if it would guarantee the birds don't fly, at least for a while, because when they do, this is not going to be like past wars where you could sit comfortably at home and read about in the paper or watch death second-hand on TV. When those birds fly, EVERYBODY within their range is in the front line................................. and then you get what is quaintly termed 'Collateral Damage' from the fallout, depending on how dirty the bombs are and which way the prevailing winds blow. 'On the Beach' could become a reality in those circumstances.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 9:27:51 PM)
But seeing as Iraq is not ours to give, nor the Russians to accept, why not let the legal government and the people of Iraq keep it and get on with living their lives as best they can.

tamaka -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 10:01:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka We meaning the US Military. That's what they are paid to do. Yes, that was especially true in past wars. But, what is Trump's strategy and end game for Syria? Does he plan to fight the Russians and Iranians who have troops on the ground in Syria? Does he he plan to confront Russia's nuclear power? Will North Korea use the excuse of our confrontation with Russia and Iran to fire a nuclear war head at one of our West Coast cities, or to launch their fire power against Saigon which is only about 23(?) miles south of the armistice line? We have 50,000 or more Americans in South Korea, btw. It's all very interlocked, isn't it? I hope he moves and speaks carefully. I think the end game is that we don't want Russia and Iran to control Syria. Directly or indirectly. OK, that seems to be a reasonable answer, tamaka. Now question #2 . . . Why not? https://www.thenation.com/article/why-push-syrian-intervention-about-more-just-assad/

Edwird -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/12/2017 10:07:58 PM)
Sorry folks (not sorry), but I I think Aylee nailed it. I think that the US invasion of Iraq was entirely in the wrong, that we have screwed things up mightily as result. But if going with 'what's on the cart,' and having any fundamental reading of history at all, then we might apprise ourselves of the fact that various Western powers and the Russians and the Ottomans have been stomping all over Persian and Assyrian et al. lands for centuries and decades already. Yes, Syria itself might be just small potatoes, but so was Vietnam, so was Guatemala, so was S. Africa at one time. And what is all this about US actions in this case being against the rules? If anyone is stupid enough to place politics before reality and not understand that the Syrian government's use of chemical weapons is one of the worst offenses as set down by any and every international law, then what is your argument, technicalities? And for those 'cheering' Trump on this, as if the thing were not in fact inevitable no matter who being at the reigns, please STFU, because you know damn well that Obama or especially HRC would have done the same thing, in which case you would be screaming at what Monsters! they were. In any case, I'm with Aylee on this one, she has it laid out simply and correctly; international law was clearly and blatantly violated by the Syrian government, and the response was a reprisal. For those in the US asking "who are we to say?", my response to you is "where were you 15 years ago? and why are you still making excuses for it?" I'm as anti-war as they come, which is why HRC and Kerry and John Edwards disgusted me so much. But this is not that, and if there is one effing thing this country can do right, I would hope that it be in actions against use of chemical weapons on civilians. Or we could just wait ten years in an international court and make the civilians suffer by economic sanctions, like we always do. Oooo! oooo! You can just feel how the government of Syria are shaking in their bones at what their citizens will suffer ten years from now as deterrent to their immediate ends. Right.

Musicmystery -> RE: U.S. Attacks Syria (4/13/2017 5:10:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 When was the last time you fired a shot in anger and actually caused the death of another human being tamaka ? When was the last time you buried a close comrade in a closed coffin ceremony ? Please stop being a 'Go on' hero. Amen.

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