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Musicmystery -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 10:46:20 AM)

So much hate and projection.

Sad.




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 10:48:03 AM)


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You have yet to show how anything McConnell did was in any way unconstitutional

You have shared opinion, nothing more.


IThe Constitution is pretty clear to me in what it says. The heritage Foundation lays out the arguument quite clearly.

Instead of providing Advice and Consent on the president's nominee, Mitch McConnell arbitrarily set a 3-year limit on the President's powers, contrary to what is prescrbied in the Constitution.

I don't know how I can show it more clearly than that.


By citing a law, or citing the part of the constitution that backs up your opinion, and the opinion of the Heritage Foundation - which prior to now you disparaged facts presented by any right-leaning source in very harsh terms

What happened to change that, so that mere opinion on a right-wing source is supposed to carry all of the weight of god himself or whatever

Regardless - cite the law itself. Cite something more than opinion


Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. I happen to agree with them on this. There are other sources which are not right wing which share the same opinion, but I picked them because of their right wing bona fides :) (To avoid you dismissing them out of hand as left wing political hacks)

I have agreed with Glenn Beck. I have agreed with Rush Limbaugh. When I was laid off and unemployed during the Bush recession, I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh daily. Every 2 weeks, he would have a full 15 minute segment that was factual, logical, sensical, and quite wise :)

And come on... Cite something more than opinion... Really? Like what? Should I take you in a time machine back to the 18th century to interview the framers? What else do we have, other than Constitutonal opinion?




Kirata -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 10:58:08 AM)


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Article II, Section 2 does not lay out any specific procedure by which the Senate can refuse its consent. It does not indicate whether it must do so by taking a vote, or whether it can simply refuse to consider the president’s nominee at all. ~Source

You are correct. Section 2 does not lay out any specific procedure by wich the Senate can refuse its consent. However, it DOES specify the SCOPE of the Advice and Coonset, which the Senate can give. (Which is to the nominee. (NOT the process as a whole)

It doesn't "specify" anything of the kind:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments. ~Source

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There is NOTHING in Section 2 which gives the Senate the power to NOT consider the nominee at all.

You are contradicting yourself: "Section 2 does not lay out any specific procedure by wich the Senate can refuse its consent."

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Acoording to my and the Heritage Foundation's interpretation, must confirm the nominee or reject the nominee ONLY for a compelling reason.

To "interpret" a law to "mean" something that it does not say is to abandon the rule of law altogether.

K.




Musicmystery -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:13:26 AM)

Nonetheless, it's a shitty precedent.

One I hope gets shoved up McConnell's ass in the coming years.




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:14:53 AM)


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Article II, Section 2 does not lay out any specific procedure by which the Senate can refuse its consent. It does not indicate whether it must do so by taking a vote, or whether it can simply refuse to consider the president’s nominee at all. ~Source

You are correct. Section 2 does not lay out any specific procedure by wich the Senate can refuse its consent. However, it DOES specify the SCOPE of the Advice and Coonset, which the Senate can give. (Which is to the nominee. (NOT the process as a whole)

It doesn't "specify" anything of the kind:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments. ~Source

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There is NOTHING in Section 2 which gives the Senate the power to NOT consider the nominee at all.

You are contradicting yourself: "Section 2 does not lay out any specific procedure by wich the Senate can refuse its consent."

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Acoording to my and the Heritage Foundation's interpretation, must confirm the nominee or reject the nominee ONLY for a compelling reason.

To "interpret" a law to "mean" something that it does not say is to abandon the rule of law altogether.

K.



1) Yes, in my opinion, it most certainly does specify the scope. It doesn't say "The Senate shall proviide advice and consent on which Presidents shall be allowed to nominate people, and for how long. It says, "The President shall nominate, by and with the advice and conset of the Senate". (Which absolutely specifies the scope of the advice and consent too the President's nomination. (The dependent clause, as the Heritage Foundation refers))

2) I am not contradicting myyself at all. You are ssimply not understanding the issue

3) To your statement:. To "interpret" a law to "mean" something that it does not say is to abandon the rule of law altogether.. Yes. I agree. The trick with the Constitution, since it most certainly could be far more clearly writtten than it is, is to interpret it to mean something that it DOES say. I and the Heritage Foundation bellieve we have done that iin this case.




Musicmystery -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:17:47 AM)

To be fair, it seems he understands just fine, and that you two disagree on this point.




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:19:26 AM)


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To be fair, it seems he understands just fine, and that you two disagree on this point.



Perhaps. However, I am not contradicting myself.




dcnovice -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:28:57 AM)

FR

McConnell's stonewalling of Merrick Garland probably did lie within the letter of the law.

Then again, "Well, it wasn't actually illegal" is a pretty low bar for serving the citizenry.




BoscoX -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:37:32 AM)


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Nonetheless, it's a shitty precedent.

One I hope gets shoved up McConnell's ass in the coming years.


The precedent is all on the Dems, you have already admitted that. And they are being impaled with it pretty good

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Musicmystery -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:40:39 AM)

Everything is an R in your world.

For the 82% of Americans who aren't registered Republicans, things look differently.




BoscoX -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:41:11 AM)


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FR

McConnell's stonewalling of Merrick Garland probably did lie within the letter of the law.

Then again, "Well, it wasn't actually illegal" is a pretty low bar for serving the citizenry.


There was no stonewalling. McConnell straight up said that he was following Schumer's own precedent

Thank Schumer for this, thank the entire Democrat party for choosing him to lead the way for them in the Senate. You wanted radicals in charge, you got them - and now it's time to pay the piper

Your chickens

Is comin' home

To roost




Musicmystery -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:42:22 AM)

We'll just wait until the Rs are in a position to do nothing but watch.

You'll immediately change your tune to the new talking points of the day, always a faithful parrot.




BoscoX -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:42:41 AM)

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Everything is an R in your world.

For the 82% of Americans who aren't registered Republicans, things look differently.


Despite your worsening bouts of psychosis, you don't actually speak for any of them other than yourself

And you do a really poor job of that




Musicmystery -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:45:12 AM)

Sing it Sister! Clap your hands! Stomp your Feet! Raise your Voices for the Führer!




BoscoX -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:51:44 AM)

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We'll just wait until the Rs are in a position to do nothing but watch.

You'll immediately change your tune to the new talking points of the day, always a faithful parrot.


Been there already, moronathon man

Eight years of Dear Leader Obama is what gave us Trump, though you are far too stupid and short sighted to understand such things

This is reaction to precedent, rather than precedent in any way

Bush years showed us how you shit-throwing monkeys think, we are well prepared for your antics




Musicmystery -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:53:11 AM)

And you believe the story ends here.

Sure, sure. Cling to that.




BoscoX -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:54:37 AM)


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And you believe the story ends here.

Sure, sure. Cling to that.


No, I have posted several times that the Dems are begging for civil war, I harbor no illusions about that

I see right through you fools, when you don't even know yourselves




Musicmystery -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 11:55:59 AM)

Well, we're gonna need more guns then.

See you later -- gotta go down to Wal-Mart and stock up.




BoscoX -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 12:00:14 PM)

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Well, we're gonna need more guns then.

See you later -- gotta go down to Wal-Mart and stock up.


You go down to Walmart, I am going to be congratulating Mitch McConnell and President Trump, Trey Gowdy and Devin Nunes and company, for their leadership and courage to stand up against you radical freaks on the front lines

A congratulatory letter to the Honorable Justice Gorsuch is also in order




Musicmystery -> RE: ANOTHER MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP - Gorsuch Confirmed! (4/8/2017 12:02:04 PM)

Good luck with the final chapter.

Gorsuch, though, in all of this, is just a pawn. All he did was agree to the nomination.




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