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Edwird -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/12/2017 1:21:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire
I think when you get to a level known as 95% confidence - it has a few other names let alone 98% or 99% levels, regarding the application - then there may be a bit of a problem.

Your arguments are invalid let me show you - up until the moment they are utilised, always wrongly 99% of the time, they are what you term as responsible owners lets play with that - let ever country chemical weapon up, nuke up - well perhaps not America.


There is a .002 percent confidence interval of your capacity for understanding anything about statistics. Being optimistic, at that.

Looking at 2016 numbers , there were 58,442 gun incidents, of which 45,705 resulted in injury or death. Which out of a population of ~326 million amounts to 0.018 percent gun incidents for the year, 0.0046 % resulting in death, and 0.0094 % resulting in injury. Still too many, no one would disagree, but in the vast majority of neighborhoods in the USA, 'gun incidents' are far more rare than the above numbers indicate.

In the matter of use of firearms for purpose of causing harm, wackos are wackos, and if a gun not be available they easily resort to a knife or crowbar or hammer or large screwdriver or hardwood chair to the same end.

Correlation does not necessarily equate to causation, as we know, but there is nevertheless an unmistakable correlation between increase in prescription psychiatric drugs and increase in violence of all sorts, notable especially with teens and young adults.

As for the ~22,000 suicides by gun, I will say that if a person is so miserable as to want to end his/her existence, I'm glad they have a neat and quick device for that purpose. In the pre-gun days, the methods of hara-kiri, jumping off a cliff, jumping in front of a train, etc. (poor Mrs. Karenina) were far more painful and horrific.

I am against guns otherwise supplied only to armies being allowed to citizens in the US, but I'm OK with nearly every household in Switzerland (Die Schweiz) having same, because the Swiss are taking far less drugs and eating far less trans-fats and monosodium glutamate and imbibing far less aspartame ('diet' colas).

And where is all this alleged 'gun culture in the US' coming from? Why don't you ask the Swedes and Canadians and Finlanders and Siberians and Norwegians about all that? In fact it's you who watches too many movies and takes them too seriously.

Living in my neighborhood in my other city, I aurally witnessed a 'gun incident' on a weekly basis, hearing the so-called 'celebratory gunfire' let loose by drunkards and crack heads emptying the magazine into the sky, a mile or two away. Not the best example of responsible gun ownership, suffice it to say, but even still, no one was injured from that weekend raucous display. The same guy feeling angry the next day would more likely take a broken chair leg to somebody's head than a gun.

You could be more accurate and discuss the increase in violence in the US, but even then, the issue is confined to certain areas and demographics, especially the sugared breakfast cereals and alarming increase in prescription psychiatric drugs foisted upon young children and teens demographic. Not the best combo, there. Then they go out in the world weaponized with sharp pencils and facebook revenge agendas, with dietetically and medically altered brain chemistry.

So, yeah.





WickedsDesire -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/12/2017 1:30:31 PM)

Thing is clueless sock wreckage there were 35 00-40 000 deaths and over 100 000 maimed. I think it’s for the best if you fuk off, for ever. You will not be missed, idiot liar. So back to your corner and shit your pants, howling away like the mad irreverent lyng fuk that you are




Edwird -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/12/2017 1:42:42 PM)

Am I lying about the 326 million population all that resides within?

Your posts in this thread display far more violence than any others', so is this a matter of 'takes one to know one'?

I think not, as you clearly surpass every other poster in that regard.




Edwird -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/12/2017 1:58:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Thing is clueless sock wreckage there were 35 00-40 000 deaths and over 100 000 maimed.


As per your own link, there were in fact 15,079 deaths from guns in 2016, not 35,000 or 40,000, and 30,626 injured, not 100,000. Within a population of 326 million.

When you are so innumerate as to not being able even to read your own numbers, then everybody else is a 'liar,' do we have this right?




vincentML -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/12/2017 9:11:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwird

quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Thing is clueless sock wreckage there were 35 00-40 000 deaths and over 100 000 maimed.


As per your own link, there were in fact 15,079 deaths from guns in 2016, not 35,000 or 40,000, and 30,626 injured, not 100,000. Within a population of 326 million.

When you are so innumerate as to not being able even to read your own numbers, then everybody else is a 'liar,' do we have this right?

From the National Center for Health Statistics for 2015

Motor vehicle traffic deaths

Number of deaths: 33,736
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6

All firearm deaths

Number of deaths: 33,599

Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.5


SOURCE

Maybe you should take a second look at your numbers, Edwird. I don't understand the discrepancy. Maybe you can.




Edwird -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/12/2017 11:19:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwird
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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire
Thing is clueless sock wreckage there were 35 00-40 000 deaths and over 100 000 maimed.

As per your own link, there were in fact 15,079 deaths from guns in 2016, not 35,000 or 40,000, and 30,626 injured, not 100,000. Within a population of 326 million.

When you are so innumerate as to not being able even to read your own numbers, then everybody else is a 'liar,' do we have this right?

From the National Center for Health Statistics for 2015
Motor vehicle traffic deaths

Number of deaths: 33,736
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6

All firearm deaths

Number of deaths: 33,599

Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.5


SOURCE

Maybe you should take a second look at your numbers, Edwird. I don't understand the discrepancy. Maybe you can.


Those are not 'my numbers,' I in fact explicitly alluded to (as you directly quoted) the link provided by Whippet Descrier. (Hint; "As per your own link," hint . . .)

Please read more carefully.

And maybe also should you pay attention to arguably the most civilized person on this site, Winsome Defiance, not me or wickeds.

Hint.






vincentML -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/13/2017 11:24:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwird

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML
quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwird
quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire
Thing is clueless sock wreckage there were 35 00-40 000 deaths and over 100 000 maimed.

As per your own link, there were in fact 15,079 deaths from guns in 2016, not 35,000 or 40,000, and 30,626 injured, not 100,000. Within a population of 326 million.

When you are so innumerate as to not being able even to read your own numbers, then everybody else is a 'liar,' do we have this right?

From the National Center for Health Statistics for 2015
Motor vehicle traffic deaths

Number of deaths: 33,736
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6

All firearm deaths

Number of deaths: 33,599

Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.5


SOURCE

Maybe you should take a second look at your numbers, Edwird. I don't understand the discrepancy. Maybe you can.


Those are not 'my numbers,' I in fact explicitly alluded to (as you directly quoted) the link provided by Whippet Descrier. (Hint; "As per your own link," hint . . .)

Please read more carefully.

And maybe also should you pay attention to arguably the most civilized person on this site, Winsome Defiance, not me or wickeds.

Hint.

I believe you fell victim to a poorly labeled data source in Wicked's article. He did not write the article, but anyone using the data should try to understand what it means.




WickedsDesire -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/13/2017 11:43:41 AM)

Edwird angry sock muppet
1. That was year to date 25% of what is yet to occur, and excluded an expected ~22 000 by suicide for the year.
2. Population 326 million – I see, many gun totting kids are there within that figure you illiterate dumbfuk…lets overlook the kids who blow their mums brains all over the windscreen/shop floor
3. Only a deluded fuk, such as yourself, believe the carnage count is reset each year. A 10 year period would be a fair data-set - 25 year is better dont you think?

~150 000 per year dead or injured by gun – not psychologically maimed.
So does that mean the ~150 000 were not responsible and should never have had a gun in the first place. Or does it mean up until they unleash their carnage they were responsible gun owners.....but as they shot whoever...we suddenly declare them irresponsible - and discount their carnage.

Actually America what is the minimum age you can own a gun at? And when is the minimum age they can shoot one?

I do not have to play death by terrorist card, nor death by bee sting card, and you are sure as hell i wouldn't play the death by crossing the road card/ driving card, fuking a live electric toaster in the bath card

We get that I dislike guns - actually I dont really give a fuk but I am fascinated as to why some of you lot do given their on the record carnage, at unheralded rates rarely witnessed across the world.

But I do understand human nature...and it is imperfect within us all, unhinged in some...and we all, well most of us can snap, in our own ways.






Edwird -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/13/2017 1:31:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML
I believe you fell victim to a poorly labeled data source in Wicked's article. He did not write the article, but anyone using the data should try to understand what it means.


I wasn't a 'victim' to anything, I was speaking to another poster and presenting him with his own links and numbers as counter-argument to the numbers he used and then did his own numbers in getting the percentages wrong by a thousand times. That is plain for anyone with half a brain to see.

What are you on about, here? Seriously.






WickedsDesire -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/13/2017 1:36:15 PM)

You presented I, your better, with a bucket of heaving jobbies and total incompetence. And I fair scoffed at it guffaws




Edwird -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/13/2017 3:03:44 PM)

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You presented

Actually, it was the other way round.

But in any case you are welcome to the convenience of 'guffaw' to proclaim superiority, just as you guffaw when you fart into your pillows and then don't wash them for six months.




WickedsDesire -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/13/2017 4:41:28 PM)

fucking baby

Guffaws guffaws





Edwird -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/13/2017 5:45:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire
~150 000 per year dead or injured by gun – not psychologically maimed. "


And after that, I was so ready to click on the link providing evidence for the 150,000 killed or injured by guns annually in the US, but howevermuch I hovered the mouse all over it, it was not to be.

Should I change my browser settings or something? Ah! Here it is! "Accept mouth-frothing from violent and incoherent forum posters." Even after all that, still no link to the US 150k per annum 'gun death and injury' stat. Damn firefox.

So, what's next?


quote:

So does that mean the ~150 000 were not responsible and should never have had a gun in the first place. Or does it mean up until they unleash their carnage they were responsible gun owners.....but as they shot whoever...we suddenly declare them irresponsible - and discount their carnage.


Good point, there. Aside the fatuously non-factual 150K. In any case, anyone who fires a gun is responsible for consequences, who has proclaimed otherwise?

And yes, there might be some millions of gun owners in the US, just as there are in Switzerland and Norway and Canada, etc., but even as wacko as things might have become in this country, there are still many and many more thousands of neighborhoods in the US where death by gun shot is highly unlikely.

quote:

Actually America what is the minimum age you can own a gun at? And when is the minimum age they can shoot one?


I would entrust a gun to a decently trained 13 yr. old girl or boy (which was the case for many centuries heretofore) in the US or Norway far beyond giving such consideration to a wacko Scott, and it's not even close.

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I do not have to play death by terrorist card, nor death by bee sting card, and you are sure as hell i wouldn't play the death by crossing the road card/ driving card, fuking a live electric toaster in the bath card

We get that I dislike guns - actually I dont really give a fuk but I am fascinated as to why some of you lot do given their on the record carnage, at unheralded rates rarely witnessed across the world.

But I do understand human nature...and it is imperfect within us all, unhinged in some...and we all, well most of us can snap, in our own ways.


I have never owned a gun, and likely never will. Count that as among a hundred other things I don't have in common with those who invite me for dinner and those whom I invite for dinner.






Edwird -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/13/2017 5:47:57 PM)

`NM~





thompsonx -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/13/2017 6:34:04 PM)

ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

one thing I SHOULD point out........................we don't have a winter here as such. We never see snow or frost or a temp below 8 celcius here and that is a night temp.


Hang on a second there mate...I rode a push-bike from perth to sydney in june of 1967. Eight degrees was a noon time high ...one to two was more common at night...froze me phoquing nuts off on that ride.
Your assessment of the hospitality is dead on...never have I met more hospitable people than in oz.





MercTech -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/13/2017 6:48:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwird

What I will say, though, is that I find it hilarious that some treat the US as a pinata with the cheap shots, when they have no clue what it's like to be a country as big as this one which yet somehow clings to whatever temporarily (I hope) distorted notion of 'freedom,' but understands the basic concept nonetheless.

Take a geology class or an evolution class and get a clue. This isn't going to be pretty.




Geology vs Geography... Edwird, do you have auto correct turned on? My phone keeps changing things like that when I email.




BamaD -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/13/2017 7:17:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Edwird angry sock muppet
1. That was year to date 25% of what is yet to occur, and excluded an expected ~22 000 by suicide for the year.
2. Population 326 million – I see, many gun totting kids are there within that figure you illiterate dumbfuk…lets overlook the kids who blow their mums brains all over the windscreen/shop floor
3. Only a deluded fuk, such as yourself, believe the carnage count is reset each year. A 10 year period would be a fair data-set - 25 year is better dont you think?

~150 000 per year dead or injured by gun – not psychologically maimed.
So does that mean the ~150 000 were not responsible and should never have had a gun in the first place. Or does it mean up until they unleash their carnage they were responsible gun owners.....but as they shot whoever...we suddenly declare them irresponsible - and discount their carnage.

Actually America what is the minimum age you can own a gun at? And when is the minimum age they can shoot one?

I do not have to play death by terrorist card, nor death by bee sting card, and you are sure as hell i wouldn't play the death by crossing the road card/ driving card, fuking a live electric toaster in the bath card

We get that I dislike guns - actually I dont really give a fuk but I am fascinated as to why some of you lot do given their on the record carnage, at unheralded rates rarely witnessed across the world.

But I do understand human nature...and it is imperfect within us all, unhinged in some...and we all, well most of us can snap, in our own ways.




You cannot buy a long gun until age 18.
You cannot buy a handgun before age 21.
Shooting before is legal, WITH ADULT SUPERVISION. This is where you learn proper firearm usage before
you purchase one.
Most people who purchase a firearm (legally) and don't understand proper use fall into one of two categories.
A They didn't pay any attention to what they were taught.
B Their parents didn't like gun, "protected" them from them, and denied them the needed education.

I am sure that you are unaware that firearms accidents hit a all time low rate last year.




Edwird -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/13/2017 9:39:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MercTech
quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwird

What I will say, though, is that I find it hilarious that some treat the US as a pinata with the cheap shots, when they have no clue what it's like to be a country as big as this one which yet somehow clings to whatever temporarily (I hope) distorted notion of 'freedom,' but understands the basic concept nonetheless.

Take a geology class or an evolution class and get a clue. This isn't going to be pretty.

Geology vs Geography... Edwird, do you have auto correct turned on? My phone keeps changing things like that when I email.


I learned geography in Jr. HS and my one year in HS before I dropped out.

When I passed the GED and finally got around to college, but even then only many years later re geology, I found that geology has been going as it will and doing whatever it wants all the time, this recent notion of political geography being not any concern at all in that venture, nor will it ever be.

Geography is what's been mapped out by humans in the last few thousand years. Geology is what's been mapped out by nature for the last few billions of years.

Does that answer your question?






Edwird -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/13/2017 10:29:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MercTech


And while on the subject; the continent of India is smashing into the continent of China, and has been doing do for millions of years.

Where is the outrage!





thishereboi -> RE: San Bernardino shooting: Boy, 8, and two adults dead (4/15/2017 10:28:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwird


This doesn't happen anywhere else in the world!



of course not because they are too busy
blowing shit up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_January_2017

killing and imprisoning gays
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4397118/Chechnya-opens-concentration-camp-homosexuals.html

or kidnapping children
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chibok_schoolgirls_kidnapping

But keep telling yourself that the folks of the US are so much more blood thirsty and violent than the rest of the world. Remind yourself that women in this country get paid less and that is much worse than being shot in the head for daring to want an education. Then perhaps you can join the score of celebrities who promised to move if the clown got in but haven't started packing yet.




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