quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
well there was the atlanta bridge that collapsed after a fire underneath it.
then there was the oroville dam issue when the emergency spillway failed and how many thousands had to be evacuated.
thats since february

Neither of those are neglect...


I can't think of 1 bridge that has collapsed 'due to neglect' in the past 20 years... in the US At least.
even the I-35W, which was the famous collapse for being considered a 'neglected bridge' was in the process of being repaired and was loaded with construction supplies and equipment when it collapsed.

yeah, actually it is...but hey, lets not argue over semantics, infrastructure is a fucking nightmare
https://www.ft.com/content/3c0cabbc-114c-11e6-91da-096d89bd2173

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Everybody's trying to "out conservative" each other by cutting taxes and spending.

But somethings cost money and need to be done--like road and bridge maintenance.

Putting it off increases the cost of the maintenance.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Unlike the superior US bridges collapsing from neglect.

Making America Great Again, pre-transportation era.

What bridges have collapsed due to neglect in the US?

here one that did here in Minneapolis,MN http://www.mprnews.org/story/2007/08/02/inspection (written the day after.)

the I-35W bridge into downtown Mpls. collapsed on Aug. 1st, 2007.

more reading.... http://saveourbridges.com/pdfs/TheCollapseofI-35.pdf

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/HAR0803.pdf

NTSB:
The gusset plates at the U10 nodes, where the collapse initiated, had inadequate
capacity for the expected loads on the structure, even in the original as-designed
condition.

The bridge failed not due to neglect, but due to poor design.

In fact, the weeks leading up to the collapse the bridge was undergoing refurbishing and repairs to address the fact that it was seriously degraded and federally defined as 'structurally deficient'. even in your link the state bridge engineer 'Dan Dorgan' provides the statement: "We thought we had done all we could..." because the week before they repaired and replaced several key joints and support columns which was done specifically to prevent a collapse.

It was not neglect which caused the bridge to fail.

but it was the lack of inspections that gave no warning to how soon the plates would fail. One of palenty's budget cuts prior to the collapse was bridge inspectors.

prior to that collapse, the closest inspection was when?

and the next inspection was due when?

and the collapse happened when?

and the state of Minnesota settled with the victims/survivor's of the collapse when?

one of the myriad of reasons palenty didn't run for another term was he was going to get skewered about the budget cuts to the bridge inspectors. If I had time to I would find the spacing of inspections prior to those cuts. but right after the collapse, check the number of bridges with flaws like it inspected hmm?

as a Democrat in this city, that was widely known to be a campaign point he was going to have ads run on him about.... and he knew it and he's not shown his face around here since.

If I do understand your pigin you seem to be saying that inspection was the problem, yet your article says it was the initial design. Just so you know, inspectors are non-technical people that check and make sure what the design says should be there is what is there. As I don't expect you to understand the process, I'll refrain from mentioning how stupid the comment was.

oh I get it..... ur saying bridge inspectors aren't engineers with at least a bachelors degree or better well..... http://study.com/articles/Bridge_Inspector_Job_Description_and_Requirements.html

Education Requirements

Most entry-level jobs require a high school diploma or GED and certification. More advanced positions require higher education such as a bachelor's or master's degree in civil engineering.

Many universities offer bridge inspection training courses for certification training. The National Bridge Inspection Standards (NBIS) requires that such courses to be approved by the Federal Highway Administration. A typical training course explores steel, concrete and timber bridge evaluation; tools and safety; steel deterioration and waterway evaluation. Students also learn how to understand federal codes and inventory forms.

Certification

The National Institute for Certification in Engineering Technologies (NICET) offers four levels of certification in bridge safety inspection from entry-level to senior level, which can be sought after an inspector gains relevant work experience. Applicants must pass a written exam to become certified. Depending on state requirements, bridge inspectors may also need to gain SCUBA certification to evaluate bridge conditions underwater. To become SCUBA-certified, bridge inspectors must complete a diving training program. Similar to NBIS-approved training courses, colleges often offer bridge inspection refresher courses to keep inspectors current on regulations and practices or to renew their inspection certification.


Bridge inspectors are pretty smart people with many with majors or minors in metalurgy, CAD, and other construction disciplines. They are as technical as the builders and Designers (like Me) whos work they keep their eyes on.

that makes u pretty fucking godawful stupid... Again!! non-technically speaking of course,.... just sayn'

Actually, your level of "ignance" regarding what you just posted makes it impossible to actually respond to you. You don't even understand what you don't understand. Let me just point out one. A major or minor in CAD. Do you know what that is? It's Computer Added Drafting. Somebody tells them what to draw and without understanding why, they draw it. Now, you may have to be pretty smart to do that, obviously beyond your intellectual talents, but it doesn't even imply they know how to calculate a shear or moment on a bridge structure. (Ya, I used technical words you can...maybe...Google)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Everybody's trying to "out conservative" each other by cutting taxes and spending.

But somethings cost money and need to be done--like road and bridge maintenance.

Putting it off increases the cost of the maintenance.

Flawless.

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Unlike the superior US bridges collapsing from neglect.

Making America Great Again, pre-transportation era.

What bridges have collapsed due to neglect in the US?

here one that did here in Minneapolis,MN http://www.mprnews.org/story/2007/08/02/inspection (written the day after.)

the I-35W bridge into downtown Mpls. collapsed on Aug. 1st, 2007.

more reading.... http://saveourbridges.com/pdfs/TheCollapseofI-35.pdf

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/HAR0803.pdf

NTSB:
The gusset plates at the U10 nodes, where the collapse initiated, had inadequate
capacity for the expected loads on the structure, even in the original as-designed
condition.

The bridge failed not due to neglect, but due to poor design.

In fact, the weeks leading up to the collapse the bridge was undergoing refurbishing and repairs to address the fact that it was seriously degraded and federally defined as 'structurally deficient'. even in your link the state bridge engineer 'Dan Dorgan' provides the statement: "We thought we had done all we could..." because the week before they repaired and replaced several key joints and support columns which was done specifically to prevent a collapse.

It was not neglect which caused the bridge to fail.

but it was the lack of inspections that gave no warning to how soon the plates would fail. One of palenty's budget cuts prior to the collapse was bridge inspectors.

prior to that collapse, the closest inspection was when?

and the next inspection was due when?

and the collapse happened when?

and the state of Minnesota settled with the victims/survivor's of the collapse when?

one of the myriad of reasons palenty didn't run for another term was he was going to get skewered about the budget cuts to the bridge inspectors. If I had time to I would find the spacing of inspections prior to those cuts. but right after the collapse, check the number of bridges with flaws like it inspected hmm?

as a Democrat in this city, that was widely known to be a campaign point he was going to have ads run on him about.... and he knew it and he's not shown his face around here since.

If I do understand your pigin you seem to be saying that inspection was the problem, yet your article says it was the initial design. Just so you know, inspectors are non-technical people that check and make sure what the design says should be there is what is there. As I don't expect you to understand the process, I'll refrain from mentioning how stupid the comment was.

oh I get it..... ur saying bridge inspectors aren't engineers with at least a bachelors degree or better well..... http://study.com/articles/Bridge_Inspector_Job_Description_and_Requirements.html

Education Requirements

Most entry-level jobs require a high school diploma or GED and certification. More advanced positions require higher education such as a bachelor's or master's degree in civil engineering.

Many universities offer bridge inspection training courses for certification training. The National Bridge Inspection Standards (NBIS) requires that such courses to be approved by the Federal Highway Administration. A typical training course explores steel, concrete and timber bridge evaluation; tools and safety; steel deterioration and waterway evaluation. Students also learn how to understand federal codes and inventory forms.

Certification

The National Institute for Certification in Engineering Technologies (NICET) offers four levels of certification in bridge safety inspection from entry-level to senior level, which can be sought after an inspector gains relevant work experience. Applicants must pass a written exam to become certified. Depending on state requirements, bridge inspectors may also need to gain SCUBA certification to evaluate bridge conditions underwater. To become SCUBA-certified, bridge inspectors must complete a diving training program. Similar to NBIS-approved training courses, colleges often offer bridge inspection refresher courses to keep inspectors current on regulations and practices or to renew their inspection certification.


Bridge inspectors are pretty smart people with many with majors or minors in metalurgy, CAD, and other construction disciplines. They are as technical as the builders and Designers (like Me) whos work they keep their eyes on.

that makes u pretty fucking godawful stupid... Again!! non-technically speaking of course,.... just sayn'

Actually, your level of "ignance" regarding what you just posted makes it impossible to actually respond to you. You don't even understand what you don't understand. Let me just point out one. A major or minor in CAD. Do you know what that is? It's Computer Added Drafting. Somebody tells them what to draw and without understanding why, they draw it. Now, you may have to be pretty smart to do that, obviously beyond your intellectual talents, but it doesn't even imply they know how to calculate a shear or moment on a bridge structure. (Ya, I used technical words you can...maybe...Google)

u evidently haven't ever used a CAD program. nor have u ever read one. I DO stupid. I bet u couldn't draw a simple 3D hockey puck.

Nobody just " tells them what to draw and without understanding why, they draw it." that might of been in ur grandpa's days...like WWII....done on paper. Not today spanky.

for years the more spendy versions of AutoCAD has been quite accurate in shear, torque stress, etc. Hell even race car suspension travel is easy to emulate on AutoCAD if u know the math, angles, and radius u want. If u really wanna update urself, watch how they build a carbon-fiber Indy of Formula 1 car some evening.

because torsional rigidity in a drag race car IS a must or the driver gets killed u fucking imbecilic turdball.

NOBODY JUST GUESSES AT HOW THICK RIVETS, PLATES, OR GIRDERS HOLDING A BRIDGE TOGETHER NEEDS TO BE ANYMORE!!!

builders knew how much the tallest buildings in Dubai will sway in their turbulent desert winds LONG before the 1st drop of cement got poured because of CAD motion & Stress simulations.

and now with 3D printing becoming the latest thing, even more accurate designs processes will be implemented.

u dude are a fucking technical dinosaur if u really think that's all CAD drafting is.

nice try, but ur still fucking stupid.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

California is it's own little island of stupidity, because of the referendum process. Hence:

- Voters oppose increasing tax revenue
- Voters also oppose cutting services
- Lawmakers and adminstration are forced into poor, short term options.

It's just a variation on the above. Instead of lawmakers out-conservativing each other, with voters supporting them, voters do it directly.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yeah. Semantics is the main point here. Okie dokie then.

Make that your next state proposition.

Did your puppy bite you as a child? Dude--you're one wound up angry asshole.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Unlike the superior US bridges collapsing from neglect.

Making America Great Again, pre-transportation era.

What bridges have collapsed due to neglect in the US?

here one that did here in Minneapolis,MN http://www.mprnews.org/story/2007/08/02/inspection (written the day after.)

the I-35W bridge into downtown Mpls. collapsed on Aug. 1st, 2007.

more reading.... http://saveourbridges.com/pdfs/TheCollapseofI-35.pdf

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/HAR0803.pdf

NTSB:
The gusset plates at the U10 nodes, where the collapse initiated, had inadequate
capacity for the expected loads on the structure, even in the original as-designed
condition.

The bridge failed not due to neglect, but due to poor design.

In fact, the weeks leading up to the collapse the bridge was undergoing refurbishing and repairs to address the fact that it was seriously degraded and federally defined as 'structurally deficient'. even in your link the state bridge engineer 'Dan Dorgan' provides the statement: "We thought we had done all we could..." because the week before they repaired and replaced several key joints and support columns which was done specifically to prevent a collapse.

It was not neglect which caused the bridge to fail.

but it was the lack of inspections that gave no warning to how soon the plates would fail. One of palenty's budget cuts prior to the collapse was bridge inspectors.

prior to that collapse, the closest inspection was when?

and the next inspection was due when?

and the collapse happened when?

and the state of Minnesota settled with the victims/survivor's of the collapse when?

one of the myriad of reasons palenty didn't run for another term was he was going to get skewered about the budget cuts to the bridge inspectors. If I had time to I would find the spacing of inspections prior to those cuts. but right after the collapse, check the number of bridges with flaws like it inspected hmm?

as a Democrat in this city, that was widely known to be a campaign point he was going to have ads run on him about.... and he knew it and he's not shown his face around here since.

If I do understand your pigin you seem to be saying that inspection was the problem, yet your article says it was the initial design. Just so you know, inspectors are non-technical people that check and make sure what the design says should be there is what is there. As I don't expect you to understand the process, I'll refrain from mentioning how stupid the comment was.

oh I get it..... ur saying bridge inspectors aren't engineers with at least a bachelors degree or better well..... http://study.com/articles/Bridge_Inspector_Job_Description_and_Requirements.html

Education Requirements

Most entry-level jobs require a high school diploma or GED and certification. More advanced positions require higher education such as a bachelor's or master's degree in civil engineering.

Many universities offer bridge inspection training courses for certification training. The National Bridge Inspection Standards (NBIS) requires that such courses to be approved by the Federal Highway Administration. A typical training course explores steel, concrete and timber bridge evaluation; tools and safety; steel deterioration and waterway evaluation. Students also learn how to understand federal codes and inventory forms.

Certification

The National Institute for Certification in Engineering Technologies (NICET) offers four levels of certification in bridge safety inspection from entry-level to senior level, which can be sought after an inspector gains relevant work experience. Applicants must pass a written exam to become certified. Depending on state requirements, bridge inspectors may also need to gain SCUBA certification to evaluate bridge conditions underwater. To become SCUBA-certified, bridge inspectors must complete a diving training program. Similar to NBIS-approved training courses, colleges often offer bridge inspection refresher courses to keep inspectors current on regulations and practices or to renew their inspection certification.


Bridge inspectors are pretty smart people with many with majors or minors in metalurgy, CAD, and other construction disciplines. They are as technical as the builders and Designers (like Me) whos work they keep their eyes on.

that makes u pretty fucking godawful stupid... Again!! non-technically speaking of course,.... just sayn'

Actually, your level of "ignance" regarding what you just posted makes it impossible to actually respond to you. You don't even understand what you don't understand. Let me just point out one. A major or minor in CAD. Do you know what that is? It's Computer Added Drafting. Somebody tells them what to draw and without understanding why, they draw it. Now, you may have to be pretty smart to do that, obviously beyond your intellectual talents, but it doesn't even imply they know how to calculate a shear or moment on a bridge structure. (Ya, I used technical words you can...maybe...Google)

u evidently haven't ever used a CAD program. nor have u ever read one. I DO stupid. I bet u couldn't draw a simple 3D hockey puck.

Nobody just " tells them what to draw and without understanding why, they draw it." that might of been in ur grandpa's days...like WWII....done on paper. Not today spanky.

for years the more spendy versions of AutoCAD has been quite accurate in shear, torque stress, etc. Hell even race car suspension travel is easy to emulate on AutoCAD if u know the math, angles, and radius u want. If u really wanna update urself, watch how they build a carbon-fiber Indy of Formula 1 car some evening.

because torsional rigidity in a drag race car IS a must or the driver gets killed u fucking imbecilic turdball.

NOBODY JUST GUESSES AT HOW THICK RIVETS, PLATES, OR GIRDERS HOLDING A BRIDGE TOGETHER NEEDS TO BE ANYMORE!!!

builders knew how much the tallest buildings in Dubai will sway in their turbulent desert winds LONG before the 1st drop of cement got poured because of CAD motion & Stress simulations.

and now with 3D printing becoming the latest thing, even more accurate designs processes will be implemented.

u dude are a fucking technical dinosaur if u really think that's all CAD drafting is.

nice try, but ur still fucking stupid.

I'm laughing at you spanky. Actually, I admit the last time I used autucadd was revision 12. But, I've spent years directing its use and telling people what to draw about which they knew nothing because I did all of the calculations. But, actually, that's not completely true either. Since for the last twenty years or so I had engineers working for me who supervised engineers that did the calculations and directed the "non-technical" drafting staff. Frankly, I do have to admit that most recently, say the last dozen years or so, my major interactions with autucadd was how much my engineering company was going to spend on new revisions of the software. Please don't try to explain to me how the business works. You just sound ignint.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Actually, you led with the bullshit.

I didn't say it was conservatives. It's people trying to present themselves with conservative credentials because they have higher ambitions.

And, the point remains...some things cost money, and are needed expenditures. Like maintenance of infrastructure.

Now, take off your sock, and start discussing honestly.

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Unlike the superior US bridges collapsing from neglect.

Making America Great Again, pre-transportation era.

What bridges have collapsed due to neglect in the US?

here one that did here in Minneapolis,MN http://www.mprnews.org/story/2007/08/02/inspection (written the day after.)

the I-35W bridge into downtown Mpls. collapsed on Aug. 1st, 2007.

more reading.... http://saveourbridges.com/pdfs/TheCollapseofI-35.pdf

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/HAR0803.pdf

NTSB:
The gusset plates at the U10 nodes, where the collapse initiated, had inadequate
capacity for the expected loads on the structure, even in the original as-designed
condition.

The bridge failed not due to neglect, but due to poor design.

In fact, the weeks leading up to the collapse the bridge was undergoing refurbishing and repairs to address the fact that it was seriously degraded and federally defined as 'structurally deficient'. even in your link the state bridge engineer 'Dan Dorgan' provides the statement: "We thought we had done all we could..." because the week before they repaired and replaced several key joints and support columns which was done specifically to prevent a collapse.

It was not neglect which caused the bridge to fail.

but it was the lack of inspections that gave no warning to how soon the plates would fail. One of palenty's budget cuts prior to the collapse was bridge inspectors.

prior to that collapse, the closest inspection was when?

and the next inspection was due when?

and the collapse happened when?

and the state of Minnesota settled with the victims/survivor's of the collapse when?

one of the myriad of reasons palenty didn't run for another term was he was going to get skewered about the budget cuts to the bridge inspectors. If I had time to I would find the spacing of inspections prior to those cuts. but right after the collapse, check the number of bridges with flaws like it inspected hmm?

as a Democrat in this city, that was widely known to be a campaign point he was going to have ads run on him about.... and he knew it and he's not shown his face around here since.

If I do understand your pigin you seem to be saying that inspection was the problem, yet your article says it was the initial design. Just so you know, inspectors are non-technical people that check and make sure what the design says should be there is what is there. As I don't expect you to understand the process, I'll refrain from mentioning how stupid the comment was.

oh I get it..... ur saying bridge inspectors aren't engineers with at least a bachelors degree or better well..... http://study.com/articles/Bridge_Inspector_Job_Description_and_Requirements.html

Education Requirements

Most entry-level jobs require a high school diploma or GED and certification. More advanced positions require higher education such as a bachelor's or master's degree in civil engineering.

Many universities offer bridge inspection training courses for certification training. The National Bridge Inspection Standards (NBIS) requires that such courses to be approved by the Federal Highway Administration. A typical training course explores steel, concrete and timber bridge evaluation; tools and safety; steel deterioration and waterway evaluation. Students also learn how to understand federal codes and inventory forms.

Certification

The National Institute for Certification in Engineering Technologies (NICET) offers four levels of certification in bridge safety inspection from entry-level to senior level, which can be sought after an inspector gains relevant work experience. Applicants must pass a written exam to become certified. Depending on state requirements, bridge inspectors may also need to gain SCUBA certification to evaluate bridge conditions underwater. To become SCUBA-certified, bridge inspectors must complete a diving training program. Similar to NBIS-approved training courses, colleges often offer bridge inspection refresher courses to keep inspectors current on regulations and practices or to renew their inspection certification.


Bridge inspectors are pretty smart people with many with majors or minors in metalurgy, CAD, and other construction disciplines. They are as technical as the builders and Designers (like Me) whos work they keep their eyes on.

that makes u pretty fucking godawful stupid... Again!! non-technically speaking of course,.... just sayn'

Actually, your level of "ignance" regarding what you just posted makes it impossible to actually respond to you. You don't even understand what you don't understand. Let me just point out one. A major or minor in CAD. Do you know what that is? It's Computer Added Drafting. Somebody tells them what to draw and without understanding why, they draw it. Now, you may have to be pretty smart to do that, obviously beyond your intellectual talents, but it doesn't even imply they know how to calculate a shear or moment on a bridge structure. (Ya, I used technical words you can...maybe...Google)

u evidently haven't ever used a CAD program. nor have u ever read one. I DO stupid. I bet u couldn't draw a simple 3D hockey puck.

Nobody just " tells them what to draw and without understanding why, they draw it." that might of been in ur grandpa's days...like WWII....done on paper. Not today spanky.

for years the more spendy versions of AutoCAD has been quite accurate in shear, torque stress, etc. Hell even race car suspension travel is easy to emulate on AutoCAD if u know the math, angles, and radius u want. If u really wanna update urself, watch how they build a carbon-fiber Indy of Formula 1 car some evening.

because torsional rigidity in a drag race car IS a must or the driver gets killed u fucking imbecilic turdball.

NOBODY JUST GUESSES AT HOW THICK RIVETS, PLATES, OR GIRDERS HOLDING A BRIDGE TOGETHER NEEDS TO BE ANYMORE!!!

builders knew how much the tallest buildings in Dubai will sway in their turbulent desert winds LONG before the 1st drop of cement got poured because of CAD motion & Stress simulations.

and now with 3D printing becoming the latest thing, even more accurate designs processes will be implemented.

u dude are a fucking technical dinosaur if u really think that's all CAD drafting is.

nice try, but ur still fucking stupid.

I'm laughing at you spanky. Actually, I admit the last time I used autucadd was revision 12. But, I've spent years directing its use and telling people what to draw about which they knew nothing because I did all of the calculations. But, actually, that's not completely true either. Since for the last twenty years or so I had engineers working for me who supervised engineers that did the calculations and directed the "non-technical" drafting staff. Frankly, I do have to admit that most recently, say the last dozen years or so, my major interactions with autucadd was how much my engineering company was going to spend on new revisions of the software. Please don't try to explain to me how the business works. You just sound ignint.

sorry ur full of shit. I wouldn't of had to remind u a damn thing what CAD is capable of if u had a 1/4 the experience ur spewing. even if u managed to have a "staff" u'd know they would have to have a level of technical understanding to relay what u (or ur minions) sent them to the screen for rendering.

on the other hand I guess that makes them smarter than u. If u needed a stress test they would more than u know how to get that accomplished. ur clueless. Thanks for admitting it in ur roundabout way....

u aint that smart... u cant even spell it correctly... now we all know.

Pedal ur shit to someone else, nobody intelligent is buying it. (now watch boss-hoe defend him....LOL)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Must have been some vicious puppy.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Unlike the superior US bridges collapsing from neglect.

Making America Great Again, pre-transportation era.

What bridges have collapsed due to neglect in the US?

here one that did here in Minneapolis,MN http://www.mprnews.org/story/2007/08/02/inspection (written the day after.)

the I-35W bridge into downtown Mpls. collapsed on Aug. 1st, 2007.

more reading.... http://saveourbridges.com/pdfs/TheCollapseofI-35.pdf

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/HAR0803.pdf

NTSB:
The gusset plates at the U10 nodes, where the collapse initiated, had inadequate
capacity for the expected loads on the structure, even in the original as-designed
condition.

The bridge failed not due to neglect, but due to poor design.

In fact, the weeks leading up to the collapse the bridge was undergoing refurbishing and repairs to address the fact that it was seriously degraded and federally defined as 'structurally deficient'. even in your link the state bridge engineer 'Dan Dorgan' provides the statement: "We thought we had done all we could..." because the week before they repaired and replaced several key joints and support columns which was done specifically to prevent a collapse.

It was not neglect which caused the bridge to fail.

but it was the lack of inspections that gave no warning to how soon the plates would fail. One of palenty's budget cuts prior to the collapse was bridge inspectors.

prior to that collapse, the closest inspection was when?

and the next inspection was due when?

and the collapse happened when?

and the state of Minnesota settled with the victims/survivor's of the collapse when?

one of the myriad of reasons palenty didn't run for another term was he was going to get skewered about the budget cuts to the bridge inspectors. If I had time to I would find the spacing of inspections prior to those cuts. but right after the collapse, check the number of bridges with flaws like it inspected hmm?

as a Democrat in this city, that was widely known to be a campaign point he was going to have ads run on him about.... and he knew it and he's not shown his face around here since.

If I do understand your pigin you seem to be saying that inspection was the problem, yet your article says it was the initial design. Just so you know, inspectors are non-technical people that check and make sure what the design says should be there is what is there. As I don't expect you to understand the process, I'll refrain from mentioning how stupid the comment was.

oh I get it..... ur saying bridge inspectors aren't engineers with at least a bachelors degree or better well..... http://study.com/articles/Bridge_Inspector_Job_Description_and_Requirements.html

Education Requirements

Most entry-level jobs require a high school diploma or GED and certification. More advanced positions require higher education such as a bachelor's or master's degree in civil engineering.

Many universities offer bridge inspection training courses for certification training. The National Bridge Inspection Standards (NBIS) requires that such courses to be approved by the Federal Highway Administration. A typical training course explores steel, concrete and timber bridge evaluation; tools and safety; steel deterioration and waterway evaluation. Students also learn how to understand federal codes and inventory forms.

Certification

The National Institute for Certification in Engineering Technologies (NICET) offers four levels of certification in bridge safety inspection from entry-level to senior level, which can be sought after an inspector gains relevant work experience. Applicants must pass a written exam to become certified. Depending on state requirements, bridge inspectors may also need to gain SCUBA certification to evaluate bridge conditions underwater. To become SCUBA-certified, bridge inspectors must complete a diving training program. Similar to NBIS-approved training courses, colleges often offer bridge inspection refresher courses to keep inspectors current on regulations and practices or to renew their inspection certification.


Bridge inspectors are pretty smart people with many with majors or minors in metalurgy, CAD, and other construction disciplines. They are as technical as the builders and Designers (like Me) whos work they keep their eyes on.

that makes u pretty fucking godawful stupid... Again!! non-technically speaking of course,.... just sayn'

Actually, your level of "ignance" regarding what you just posted makes it impossible to actually respond to you. You don't even understand what you don't understand. Let me just point out one. A major or minor in CAD. Do you know what that is? It's Computer Added Drafting. Somebody tells them what to draw and without understanding why, they draw it. Now, you may have to be pretty smart to do that, obviously beyond your intellectual talents, but it doesn't even imply they know how to calculate a shear or moment on a bridge structure. (Ya, I used technical words you can...maybe...Google)

u evidently haven't ever used a CAD program. nor have u ever read one. I DO stupid. I bet u couldn't draw a simple 3D hockey puck.

Nobody just " tells them what to draw and without understanding why, they draw it." that might of been in ur grandpa's days...like WWII....done on paper. Not today spanky.

for years the more spendy versions of AutoCAD has been quite accurate in shear, torque stress, etc. Hell even race car suspension travel is easy to emulate on AutoCAD if u know the math, angles, and radius u want. If u really wanna update urself, watch how they build a carbon-fiber Indy of Formula 1 car some evening.

because torsional rigidity in a drag race car IS a must or the driver gets killed u fucking imbecilic turdball.

NOBODY JUST GUESSES AT HOW THICK RIVETS, PLATES, OR GIRDERS HOLDING A BRIDGE TOGETHER NEEDS TO BE ANYMORE!!!

builders knew how much the tallest buildings in Dubai will sway in their turbulent desert winds LONG before the 1st drop of cement got poured because of CAD motion & Stress simulations.

and now with 3D printing becoming the latest thing, even more accurate designs processes will be implemented.

u dude are a fucking technical dinosaur if u really think that's all CAD drafting is.

nice try, but ur still fucking stupid.

I'm laughing at you spanky. Actually, I admit the last time I used autucadd was revision 12. But, I've spent years directing its use and telling people what to draw about which they knew nothing because I did all of the calculations. But, actually, that's not completely true either. Since for the last twenty years or so I had engineers working for me who supervised engineers that did the calculations and directed the "non-technical" drafting staff. Frankly, I do have to admit that most recently, say the last dozen years or so, my major interactions with autucadd was how much my engineering company was going to spend on new revisions of the software. Please don't try to explain to me how the business works. You just sound ignint.

sorry ur full of shit. I wouldn't of had to remind u a damn thing what CAD is capable of if u had a 1/4 the experience ur spewing. even if u managed to have a "staff" u'd know they would have to have a level of technical understanding to relay what u (or ur minions) sent them to the screen for rendering.

on the other hand I guess that makes them smarter than u. If u needed a stress test they would more than u know how to get that accomplished. ur clueless. Thanks for admitting it in ur roundabout way....

u aint that smart... u cant even spell it correctly... now we all know.

Pedal ur shit to someone else, nobody intelligent is buying it. (now watch boss-hoe defend him....LOL)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Unlike the superior US bridges collapsing from neglect.

Making America Great Again, pre-transportation era.

What bridges have collapsed due to neglect in the US?

here one that did here in Minneapolis,MN http://www.mprnews.org/story/2007/08/02/inspection (written the day after.)

the I-35W bridge into downtown Mpls. collapsed on Aug. 1st, 2007.

more reading.... http://saveourbridges.com/pdfs/TheCollapseofI-35.pdf

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/HAR0803.pdf

NTSB:
The gusset plates at the U10 nodes, where the collapse initiated, had inadequate
capacity for the expected loads on the structure, even in the original as-designed
condition.

The bridge failed not due to neglect, but due to poor design.

In fact, the weeks leading up to the collapse the bridge was undergoing refurbishing and repairs to address the fact that it was seriously degraded and federally defined as 'structurally deficient'. even in your link the state bridge engineer 'Dan Dorgan' provides the statement: "We thought we had done all we could..." because the week before they repaired and replaced several key joints and support columns which was done specifically to prevent a collapse.

It was not neglect which caused the bridge to fail.

but it was the lack of inspections that gave no warning to how soon the plates would fail. One of palenty's budget cuts prior to the collapse was bridge inspectors.

prior to that collapse, the closest inspection was when?

and the next inspection was due when?

and the collapse happened when?

and the state of Minnesota settled with the victims/survivor's of the collapse when?

one of the myriad of reasons palenty didn't run for another term was he was going to get skewered about the budget cuts to the bridge inspectors. If I had time to I would find the spacing of inspections prior to those cuts. but right after the collapse, check the number of bridges with flaws like it inspected hmm?

as a Democrat in this city, that was widely known to be a campaign point he was going to have ads run on him about.... and he knew it and he's not shown his face around here since.

If I do understand your pigin you seem to be saying that inspection was the problem, yet your article says it was the initial design. Just so you know, inspectors are non-technical people that check and make sure what the design says should be there is what is there. As I don't expect you to understand the process, I'll refrain from mentioning how stupid the comment was.

oh I get it..... ur saying bridge inspectors aren't engineers with at least a bachelors degree or better well..... http://study.com/articles/Bridge_Inspector_Job_Description_and_Requirements.html

Education Requirements

Most entry-level jobs require a high school diploma or GED and certification. More advanced positions require higher education such as a bachelor's or master's degree in civil engineering.

Many universities offer bridge inspection training courses for certification training. The National Bridge Inspection Standards (NBIS) requires that such courses to be approved by the Federal Highway Administration. A typical training course explores steel, concrete and timber bridge evaluation; tools and safety; steel deterioration and waterway evaluation. Students also learn how to understand federal codes and inventory forms.

Certification

The National Institute for Certification in Engineering Technologies (NICET) offers four levels of certification in bridge safety inspection from entry-level to senior level, which can be sought after an inspector gains relevant work experience. Applicants must pass a written exam to become certified. Depending on state requirements, bridge inspectors may also need to gain SCUBA certification to evaluate bridge conditions underwater. To become SCUBA-certified, bridge inspectors must complete a diving training program. Similar to NBIS-approved training courses, colleges often offer bridge inspection refresher courses to keep inspectors current on regulations and practices or to renew their inspection certification.


Bridge inspectors are pretty smart people with many with majors or minors in metalurgy, CAD, and other construction disciplines. They are as technical as the builders and Designers (like Me) whos work they keep their eyes on.

that makes u pretty fucking godawful stupid... Again!! non-technically speaking of course,.... just sayn'

Actually, your level of "ignance" regarding what you just posted makes it impossible to actually respond to you. You don't even understand what you don't understand. Let me just point out one. A major or minor in CAD. Do you know what that is? It's Computer Added Drafting. Somebody tells them what to draw and without understanding why, they draw it. Now, you may have to be pretty smart to do that, obviously beyond your intellectual talents, but it doesn't even imply they know how to calculate a shear or moment on a bridge structure. (Ya, I used technical words you can...maybe...Google)

u evidently haven't ever used a CAD program. nor have u ever read one. I DO stupid. I bet u couldn't draw a simple 3D hockey puck.

Nobody just " tells them what to draw and without understanding why, they draw it." that might of been in ur grandpa's days...like WWII....done on paper. Not today spanky.

for years the more spendy versions of AutoCAD has been quite accurate in shear, torque stress, etc. Hell even race car suspension travel is easy to emulate on AutoCAD if u know the math, angles, and radius u want. If u really wanna update urself, watch how they build a carbon-fiber Indy of Formula 1 car some evening.

because torsional rigidity in a drag race car IS a must or the driver gets killed u fucking imbecilic turdball.

NOBODY JUST GUESSES AT HOW THICK RIVETS, PLATES, OR GIRDERS HOLDING A BRIDGE TOGETHER NEEDS TO BE ANYMORE!!!

builders knew how much the tallest buildings in Dubai will sway in their turbulent desert winds LONG before the 1st drop of cement got poured because of CAD motion & Stress simulations.

and now with 3D printing becoming the latest thing, even more accurate designs processes will be implemented.

u dude are a fucking technical dinosaur if u really think that's all CAD drafting is.

nice try, but ur still fucking stupid.

I'm laughing at you spanky. Actually, I admit the last time I used autucadd was revision 12. But, I've spent years directing its use and telling people what to draw about which they knew nothing because I did all of the calculations. But, actually, that's not completely true either. Since for the last twenty years or so I had engineers working for me who supervised engineers that did the calculations and directed the "non-technical" drafting staff. Frankly, I do have to admit that most recently, say the last dozen years or so, my major interactions with autucadd was how much my engineering company was going to spend on new revisions of the software. Please don't try to explain to me how the business works. You just sound ignint.

sorry ur full of shit. I wouldn't of had to remind u a damn thing what CAD is capable of if u had a 1/4 the experience ur spewing. even if u managed to have a "staff" u'd know they would have to have a level of technical understanding to relay what u (or ur minions) sent them to the screen for rendering.

on the other hand I guess that makes them smarter than u. If u needed a stress test they would more than u know how to get that accomplished. ur clueless. Thanks for admitting it in ur roundabout way....

u aint that smart... u cant even spell it correctly... now we all know.

Pedal ur shit to someone else, nobody intelligent is buying it. (now watch boss-hoe defend him....LOL)

That's the point Spanky. That's why I'm laughing at you. There are two major problems with CAD drafting. The first is that there is a perception that a mistake is so easy to fix that a lot of mistakes get made. How many times have I seen a cad drafter zoom down to a little area and fix one aspect of a problem while not seeing how it interacts with other aspects of the larger drawing? More times than I have hair on my head is the answer. And that happens a lot because people who do autocadd generally don't know/understand the significance of what they're doing. The second major problem is that people who do autocadd effectively spend their career doing autocadd and getting good at it and not learning about the engineering.

It's funny, I know a lot of people, peers, that can't spell worth a damn because their brains do numbers not letters. I'd like to point out that we who do excel at number don't make fun of people like you who can't do either numbers or letters. We just assume the intellectually lower class will do what they can and we have to check their work. So, don't let spelling make you too much of a smarty pants Spanky.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

quote:

ORIGINAL: InfoMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Unlike the superior US bridges collapsing from neglect.

Making America Great Again, pre-transportation era.

What bridges have collapsed due to neglect in the US?

here one that did here in Minneapolis,MN http://www.mprnews.org/story/2007/08/02/inspection (written the day after.)

the I-35W bridge into downtown Mpls. collapsed on Aug. 1st, 2007.

more reading.... http://saveourbridges.com/pdfs/TheCollapseofI-35.pdf

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/HAR0803.pdf

NTSB:
The gusset plates at the U10 nodes, where the collapse initiated, had inadequate
capacity for the expected loads on the structure, even in the original as-designed
condition.

The bridge failed not due to neglect, but due to poor design.

In fact, the weeks leading up to the collapse the bridge was undergoing refurbishing and repairs to address the fact that it was seriously degraded and federally defined as 'structurally deficient'. even in your link the state bridge engineer 'Dan Dorgan' provides the statement: "We thought we had done all we could..." because the week before they repaired and replaced several key joints and support columns which was done specifically to prevent a collapse.

It was not neglect which caused the bridge to fail.

but it was the lack of inspections that gave no warning to how soon the plates would fail. One of palenty's budget cuts prior to the collapse was bridge inspectors.

prior to that collapse, the closest inspection was when?

and the next inspection was due when?

and the collapse happened when?

and the state of Minnesota settled with the victims/survivor's of the collapse when?

one of the myriad of reasons palenty didn't run for another term was he was going to get skewered about the budget cuts to the bridge inspectors. If I had time to I would find the spacing of inspections prior to those cuts. but right after the collapse, check the number of bridges with flaws like it inspected hmm?

as a Democrat in this city, that was widely known to be a campaign point he was going to have ads run on him about.... and he knew it and he's not shown his face around here since.

If I do understand your pigin you seem to be saying that inspection was the problem, yet your article says it was the initial design. Just so you know, inspectors are non-technical people that check and make sure what the design says should be there is what is there. As I don't expect you to understand the process, I'll refrain from mentioning how stupid the comment was.

oh I get it..... ur saying bridge inspectors aren't engineers with at least a bachelors degree or better well..... http://study.com/articles/Bridge_Inspector_Job_Description_and_Requirements.html

Education Requirements

Most entry-level jobs require a high school diploma or GED and certification. More advanced positions require higher education such as a bachelor's or master's degree in civil engineering.

Many universities offer bridge inspection training courses for certification training. The National Bridge Inspection Standards (NBIS) requires that such courses to be approved by the Federal Highway Administration. A typical training course explores steel, concrete and timber bridge evaluation; tools and safety; steel deterioration and waterway evaluation. Students also learn how to understand federal codes and inventory forms.

Certification

The National Institute for Certification in Engineering Technologies (NICET) offers four levels of certification in bridge safety inspection from entry-level to senior level, which can be sought after an inspector gains relevant work experience. Applicants must pass a written exam to become certified. Depending on state requirements, bridge inspectors may also need to gain SCUBA certification to evaluate bridge conditions underwater. To become SCUBA-certified, bridge inspectors must complete a diving training program. Similar to NBIS-approved training courses, colleges often offer bridge inspection refresher courses to keep inspectors current on regulations and practices or to renew their inspection certification.


Bridge inspectors are pretty smart people with many with majors or minors in metalurgy, CAD, and other construction disciplines. They are as technical as the builders and Designers (like Me) whos work they keep their eyes on.

that makes u pretty fucking godawful stupid... Again!! non-technically speaking of course,.... just sayn'

Actually, your level of "ignance" regarding what you just posted makes it impossible to actually respond to you. You don't even understand what you don't understand. Let me just point out one. A major or minor in CAD. Do you know what that is? It's Computer Added Drafting. Somebody tells them what to draw and without understanding why, they draw it. Now, you may have to be pretty smart to do that, obviously beyond your intellectual talents, but it doesn't even imply they know how to calculate a shear or moment on a bridge structure. (Ya, I used technical words you can...maybe...Google)

u evidently haven't ever used a CAD program. nor have u ever read one. I DO stupid. I bet u couldn't draw a simple 3D hockey puck.

Nobody just " tells them what to draw and without understanding why, they draw it." that might of been in ur grandpa's days...like WWII....done on paper. Not today spanky.

for years the more spendy versions of AutoCAD has been quite accurate in shear, torque stress, etc. Hell even race car suspension travel is easy to emulate on AutoCAD if u know the math, angles, and radius u want. If u really wanna update urself, watch how they build a carbon-fiber Indy of Formula 1 car some evening.

because torsional rigidity in a drag race car IS a must or the driver gets killed u fucking imbecilic turdball.

NOBODY JUST GUESSES AT HOW THICK RIVETS, PLATES, OR GIRDERS HOLDING A BRIDGE TOGETHER NEEDS TO BE ANYMORE!!!

builders knew how much the tallest buildings in Dubai will sway in their turbulent desert winds LONG before the 1st drop of cement got poured because of CAD motion & Stress simulations.

and now with 3D printing becoming the latest thing, even more accurate designs processes will be implemented.

u dude are a fucking technical dinosaur if u really think that's all CAD drafting is.

nice try, but ur still fucking stupid.

I'm laughing at you spanky. Actually, I admit the last time I used autucadd was revision 12. But, I've spent years directing its use and telling people what to draw about which they knew nothing because I did all of the calculations. But, actually, that's not completely true either. Since for the last twenty years or so I had engineers working for me who supervised engineers that did the calculations and directed the "non-technical" drafting staff. Frankly, I do have to admit that most recently, say the last dozen years or so, my major interactions with autucadd was how much my engineering company was going to spend on new revisions of the software. Please don't try to explain to me how the business works. You just sound ignint.

sorry ur full of shit. I wouldn't of had to remind u a damn thing what CAD is capable of if u had a 1/4 the experience ur spewing. even if u managed to have a "staff" u'd know they would have to have a level of technical understanding to relay what u (or ur minions) sent them to the screen for rendering.

on the other hand I guess that makes them smarter than u. If u needed a stress test they would more than u know how to get that accomplished. ur clueless. Thanks for admitting it in ur roundabout way....

u aint that smart... u cant even spell it correctly... now we all know.

Pedal ur shit to someone else, nobody intelligent is buying it. (now watch boss-hoe defend him....LOL)

That's the point Spanky. That's why I'm laughing at you. There are two major problems with CAD drafting. The first is that there is a perception that a mistake is so easy to fix that a lot of mistakes get made. How many times have I seen a cad drafter zoom down to a little area and fix one aspect of a problem while not seeing how it interacts with other aspects of the larger drawing? More times than I have hair on my head is the answer. And that happens a lot because people who do autocadd generally don't know/understand the significance of what they're doing. The second major problem is that people who do autocadd effectively spend their career doing autocadd and getting good at it and not learning about the engineering.

It's funny, I know a lot of people, peers, that can't spell worth a damn because their brains do numbers not letters. I'd like to point out that we who do excel at number don't make fun of people like you who can't do either numbers or letters. We just assume the intellectually lower class will do what they can and we have to check their work. So, don't let spelling make you too much of a smarty pants Spanky.

quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire


Fuking idiot "quotes"

guffaws