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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/donald-trump-rally-violence-237302
Trump supporter asks a federal court to hold the president liable for any damages stemming from a lawsuit filed by protesters who attended a Kentucky campaign stop.

A white nationalist leader accused of assaulting a young African-American woman at a Donald Trump campaign rally filed a countersuit on Monday claiming the president directed him and other supporters to remove protesters.

Matthew Heimbach claims in his federal court filing that he “acted pursuant to the directives and requests of Donald J. Trump and Donald J. Trump for President” and that, if he’s found liable for damages, “any liability must be shifted to one or both of them.”

The legal fight stems from a March 2016 rally in Louisville, Kentucky, at which protesters were allegedly roughed up and ejected by Trump supporters after the then-candidate barked from the stage “get ’em out of here!”

The protesters filed civil assault and battery claims against Heimbach and two other Trump supporters and accused Trump of inciting his supporters.

Heimbach, a leader of the white supremacist Traditionalist Youth Network and a vocal Trump supporter during the campaign, can be seen in video from the Louisville rally pushing and screaming at a young African-American woman as Trump bellows “get out!”

The woman, Kashiya Nwanguma, joined two other protesters in filing the lawsuit against Heimbach, the two other Trump supporters, Trump and his campaign.

Heimbach, who is representing himself in the case, did not answer a phone call Monday afternoon, nor did he respond to an email message seeking comment.

The White House press office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

In Heimbach’s Monday filing, he “denies physically assaulting” any protesters. But he also levies blame at the protesters, writing that they “provoked a response” by trying “to disrupt a free assembly and campaign event and to infringe rights of the defendants and other attendees to freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to vote and other constitutional rights.”

He writes that he “acted, if at all, in self defense,” as well as “in reasonable defense of others,” while also contending he was acting at Trump’s instruction.

Noting that Trump is “a world famous businessman” who “relies on various professionals including attorneys and other professional advisors,” Heimbach writes that he "relied on Trump’s reputation and expertise in doing the things alleged." Heimbach writes that he relied on Trump’s authority to order disruptive persons removed and that Trump was legally within his rights to ask other attendees to assist in defending their constitutional rights "against ‘protesters’ who were disrupting.”

Heimbach’s motion mirrors one filed Friday afternoon by another protester accused of assault in the lawsuit, Alvin Bamberger, a member of the Korean War Veterans Association who also was captured on video pushing Nwanguma.

While Bamberger’s lawyers in their filing said their client “admits only that he touched a woman,” he “denies that he assaulted that woman.

more info at the link and the link to the court "filing is found at
http://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015b-7dcc-db04-ad5b-7ded76a30002

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

If I got up on a podium and told you to jump in the lake...

T^T

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

He directed his minions to remove them! That is absolutely preposterous you will be birched at dawn for your sheer cheek.
There is absolutely no way he said this live on the tele. Ive never known the lying fuk to put a foot cloven hoof wrong on the tele

Donald Trump on rally protester: "Get him the hell out of here"

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
Except this was something the white nationalist, like many people on this board, was dying to do.
All he needed to hear was that it's acceptable. It's also why Trump is responsible for the recent upswing in hate crimes.

Trump effect FTW.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

If I got up on a podium and told you to jump in the lake...

T^T

Except this was something the white nationalist, like many people on this board, was dying to do.
All he needed to hear was that it's acceptable. It's also why Trump is responsible for the recent upswing in hate crimes.

Trump effect FTW.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
I think it's been well established legally that the "I was only following orders" defense doesn't work.

It has also been well established that those who give the order are just as culpable as those who follow them.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
I agree which is why I was so mad at the left for telling the little pukes that if trump was elected it meant it was acceptable to be racist. Now I understand that they really wanted to win the election and were willing to say and do anything it took to accomplish that, but perhaps they should have stopped and thought about what spreading the message might actually accomplish. And while most folks knew that was bullshit, the ignorant racists seem to have taken it to heart. Now we have to fight that much harder to force them back under the bridge where they came from. But keep blaming trump for all the racists in the world. It only makes the left look like idiots while the right wins elections.

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
Except this was something the white nationalist, like many people on this board, was dying to do.
All he needed to hear was that it's acceptable. It's also why Trump is responsible for the recent upswing in hate crimes.

Trump effect FTW.

I think it's been well established legally that the "I was only following orders" defense doesn't work.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

If I got up on a podium and told you to jump in the lake...

T^T

Except this was something the white nationalist, like many people on this board, was dying to do.
All he needed to hear was that it's acceptable. It's also why Trump is responsible for the recent upswing in hate crimes.

Trump effect FTW.

I agree which is why I was so mad at the left for telling the little pukes that if trump was elected it meant it was acceptable to be racist. Now I understand that they really wanted to win the election and were willing to say and do anything it took to accomplish that, but perhaps they should have stopped and thought about what spreading the message might actually accomplish. And while most folks knew that was bullshit, the ignorant racists seem to have taken it to heart. Now we have to fight that much harder to force them back under the bridge where they came from. But keep blaming trump for all the racists in the world. It only makes the left look like idiots while the right wins elections.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

If I got up on a podium and told you to jump in the lake...

T^T

Except this was something the white nationalist, like many people on this board, was dying to do.
All he needed to hear was that it's acceptable. It's also why Trump is responsible for the recent upswing in hate crimes.

Trump effect FTW.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
I agree which is why I was so mad at the left for telling the little pukes that if trump was elected it meant it was acceptable to be racist. Now I understand that they really wanted to win the election and were willing to say and do anything it took to accomplish that, but perhaps they should have stopped and thought about what spreading the message might actually accomplish. And while most folks knew that was bullshit, the ignorant racists seem to have taken it to heart. Now we have to fight that much harder to force them back under the bridge where they came from. But keep blaming trump for all the racists in the world. It only makes the left look like idiots while the right wins elections.

I guess you missed the part where Trump repeated practically everything that the newer 'softer' white nationalist movements have been saying verbatim. Trump didn't create racism (straw man), he just legitimized it when he used it in his campaign.

I knew there was going to be spin coming, but I didn't anticipate just absurd it would get.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I think it's been well established legally that the "I was only following orders" defense doesn't work.


It has also been well established that those who give the order are just as culpable as those who follow them.

Not always.

Cite please

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

If I got up on a podium and told you to jump in the lake...

T^T

Except this was something the white nationalist, like many people on this board, was dying to do.
All he needed to hear was that it's acceptable. It's also why Trump is responsible for the recent upswing in hate crimes.

Trump effect FTW.

I agree which is why I was so mad at the left for telling the little pukes that if trump was elected it meant it was acceptable to be racist. Now I understand that they really wanted to win the election and were willing to say and do anything it took to accomplish that, but perhaps they should have stopped and thought about what spreading the message might actually accomplish. And while most folks knew that was bullshit, the ignorant racists seem to have taken it to heart. Now we have to fight that much harder to force them back under the bridge where they came from. But keep blaming trump for all the racists in the world. It only makes the left look like idiots while the right wins elections.

I think there's a lot of blame to share all the way around.

The key point in the end is that racism is alive, well, and in some quarters, rampant. The rest is symptomatic.

Frankly, we as a nation aren't where we thought we were. That's worth learning, even if the lesson was harsh.