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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 8:35:14 AM   
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English (and the language roots of it's borrowed words) is not Physics. There is confusing overlap between words correctly used in Standard English, and in accurate Physics discussions. Aspirate generally means "Breathed" (From latin/french) and is more commonly used as 'exhale'.


Aspirate is in
Expirate is out

Medically and Physics, more commonly and punctiliously.


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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 8:43:01 AM   
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Bravo! Great post! I confess though I would never have gone to so much trouble as you can
see it all went right over tommy boys head!

It appears that it did go over your head for nine pages. Perhaps you might get a grown up to explain the big words to you. Notice the post was addressed to you and not me.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.




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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 8:56:25 AM   
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English (and the language roots of it's borrowed words) is not Physics. There is confusing overlap between words correctly used in Standard English, and in accurate Physics discussions. Aspirate generally means "Breathed" (From latin/french) and is more commonly used as 'exhale'. In EMS work, it is the term for liquids forced or sucked (Wait!) into lungs, either by accident during a drownding, or deliberately (but unknowingly) by a rescue worker forcing a rescue breathing on a victim with liquids still in mouth or airway. Supposedly how Jimmy Hendrix died, vomiting while unconscious and inhaling his acid vomit.
In English, there is whatever you want to make a word for, and others find a useful term, or interesting concept, enough to remember the definition, and understand what you are saying. It is Not Physics, where terms have definitions which correspond to some physical observation, principle or theory, and get discarded from use if the concept or theory is superseded by a deeper or more elegant understanding, or is proven incorrect.
Thus: you can not 'suck' a gas. Any more than you can pull a string of unconnected marbles. You Can push a gas. What we call suction is changing the size and usually the shape a contained gas or liquid is in, and letting the gas internal pressure, exterior pressure from surrounding material (if in a flexible container) or gravity (if a liquid seeking to find an even level) to force the fluid to fill the larger volume. No force is applied, other than the kinetic energy already in the gas. Though force may be used to change the shape of the 'container'. Similar to liquids in gravity always seeking the lowest common surface ("It's own level), gases seek to distribute pressure and mass in any container to minimum entropy (No area of volume has greater kinetic energy than another). Pressure evens out quickly, temperature follows as fast at heat can move through the mass. "Entropy" is the key to why sucking is a concept, not a real phenomena. Higher heat or higher pressures always move to lower, and total energy in the 'system' is both minimized and homogenized.
Flame in a gas within a gravity field doesn't change the shape of any container, but it alters relative densities of nearby gas masses through localized heating, which expands and changes the buoyancy of that gas portion, such that it rises above nearby now cooler gas, which moves to fill the space below the rising hot gas. Which looks like suction under the rising hot gas, but is more correctly pushed down by displaced gas moving sideways by the rising hot gas, and by general ambient global pressure locally 'violated' by the area right under the flame.

That's a pretty convoluted way of understanding something much more simply explained by gas molecules bouncing without significant attraction and heat increasing the energy of that bouncing.

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 9:02:17 AM   
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Thats all you took away from that? Are you serious? No one else came close to explaining it on anything close to an academic level, and of course tommy is so far out in left field we cant see him with the hubble.


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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 9:06:17 AM   
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English (and the language roots of it's borrowed words) is not Physics. There is confusing overlap between words correctly used in Standard English, and in accurate Physics discussions. Aspirate generally means "Breathed" (From latin/french) and is more commonly used as 'exhale'.


Aspirate is in
Expirate is out

Medically and Physics, more commonly and punctiliously.




ya ya brunhilde but tommy is peddling his nonsense that a 'flame' such as a camp fire is aspirated.




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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 9:08:41 AM   
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Thats all you took away from that? Are you serious? No one else came close to explaining it on anything close to an academic level, and of course tommy is so far out in left field we cant see him with the hubble.


I'll be sure to let Feynman know, when I die and see him, that he's full of shit.

Oh, and that Einstein was wrong to prove the existence of atoms using Brownian motion (which is what we're describing here).

That academic enough for you? Or you wanna stick with the quasi-understanding?

Never mind -- I know the answer.

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 9:33:49 AM   
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Not so much brownian, but who here needs to disect the intricacies of gas law at the atomic level to understand basic thermodynamic principles to properly conclude an 'open air flame' is not aspirated? you? How do you feel that would that apply to achieve that end? tommy boy cant crawl much less walk and you feel he will comprehend flying?

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 9:37:43 AM   
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Not so much brownian, but who here needs to disect the intricacies of gas law at the atomic level to understand basic thermodynamic principles to properly conclude an 'open air flame' is not aspirated? you? How do you feel that would that apply to achieve that end? tommy boy cant crawl much less walk and you feel he will comprehend flying?

Still waiting for you to explain how your "open flame" can melt steel.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 9:44:41 AM   
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http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/materialInFire/Steel/HotRolledCarbonSteel/mechanicalProperties.htm

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Basically, the slope of linear elastic range governs the steel stiffness, whereas the effective yield strength governs the strength. Comparing their reduction factors at elevated temperatures, it can be seen that the stiffness of steel reduces earlier and more rapid than the strength. This indicates that the failure mode of steel members may change at elevated temperatures. For instance, a steel beam made of slender I-section, which is designed to plastic-hinge failure under ultimate load at ambient temperature, may experience the premature failure of web buckling at elevated temperatures.

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 9:55:32 AM   
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tommy boy cant crawl much less walk and you feel he will comprehend flying?

Tell us how many times you have heard "roger ball"?

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 10:10:14 AM   
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http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/materialInFire/Steel/HotRolledCarbonSteel/mechanicalProperties.htm

Basically, the slope of linear elastic range governs the steel stiffness, whereas the effective yield strength governs the strength. Comparing their reduction factors at elevated temperatures, it can be seen that the stiffness of steel reduces earlier and more rapid than the strength. This indicates that the failure mode of steel members may change at elevated temperatures. For instance, a steel beam made of slender I-section, which is designed to plastic-hinge failure under ultimate load at ambient temperature, may experience the premature failure of web buckling at elevated temperatures.


Doesn't seem to be anything there about steel melting. It also fails to mention how a
naturally aspirated 'open flame' attains any given temp at any given distance from the source
nor does it give a time gradient to achieve those temps.
You will notice in the link I provided the figures do give an approximation of those parameters
for forest fires which, for causes specified in the link, are significantly higher than for structure fires.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 10:44:03 AM   
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English (and the language roots of it's borrowed words) is not Physics. There is confusing overlap between words correctly used in Standard English, and in accurate Physics discussions. Aspirate generally means "Breathed" (From latin/french) and is more commonly used as 'exhale'.


Aspirate is in
Expirate is out

Medically and Physics, more commonly and punctiliously.




ya ya brunhilde but tommy is peddling his nonsense that a 'flame' such as a camp fire is aspirated.




I am peddling the same thing. You are peddling nonsense. I dont give a fuck how you mince the words there is a differential in pressures at the top and bottom of the flame, and oxygen is part of the fuel along with the organic matter, organic matter does not burn without it, again free radicals and all that shit, rusting, oxidation.....

It aspirates the oxygen from the air at the base, and expirates the leavings (including some oxygen) from the tip.


air rising (temp)

fire
firefire

oxygen oxygen oxygen

how does the oxygen not in the immediate envelope of the flame get to it? No oxygen no flame.
It is drawn in by difference in air pressure since the atr is trying to fill the void.

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 10:53:20 AM   
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aspiration is a process, and like tommy boy you chose the wrong one, thought you were catching on in a previous post, but I guess not after all.



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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 12:35:45 PM   
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aspiration is a process, and like tommy boy you chose the wrong one, thought you were catching on in a previous post, but I guess not after all.


Still waiting for you to explain how your flame melted steel.

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 12:47:37 PM   
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aspiration is a process, and like tommy boy you chose the wrong one, thought you were catching on in a previous post, but I guess not after all.



everything is a process. it is a process to obtain intellect, unfortunately you were not given the choice, being born a profound retard, you have never and will never catch on, and it is obvious. You cannot explain why it is not 1) natural, 2) aspired, 3) flame, you can only spout drivel.

naturally (without special help or intervention)

aspirated (inhaled, drawn in, sniff, snort, gulp, insufflate)

fire( combustion or burning, in which substances combine chemically with oxygen from the air and typically give out bright light, heat, and smoke.)


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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 1:23:53 PM   
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brownian your pants off to https://www.physics.org/ I am the one where the best minds shit their panties dumbfuk1 and yet oddly ive no recollection of ever seeing a panty sniffer like you on there?

Heh who amongst us has not sniffed at least one pair of panties?

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 1:40:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

aspiration is a process, and like tommy boy you chose the wrong one, thought you were catching on in a previous post, but I guess not after all.



everything is a process. it is a process to obtain intellect, unfortunately you were not given the choice, being born a profound retard, you have never and will never catch on, and it is obvious. You cannot explain why it is not 1) natural, 2) aspired, 3) flame, you can only spout drivel.

naturally (without special help or intervention)

aspirated (inhaled, drawn in, sniff, snort, gulp, insufflate)

fire( combustion or burning, in which substances combine chemically with oxygen from the air and typically give out bright light, heat, and smoke.)




good, then you wont have any difficulty what so ever providing a citation for a 'naturally aspirated *flame*'


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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 1:51:39 PM   
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good, then you wont have any difficulty what so ever providing a citation for a 'naturally aspirated *flame*'

Once again the nazi buffoon denies what has been presented numerous times.


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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 1:58:08 PM   
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Still waiting for the nazi buffoon to explain how your "open flame" can melt steel.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: Science anarchists - 5/5/2017 2:07:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

aspiration is a process, and like tommy boy you chose the wrong one, thought you were catching on in a previous post, but I guess not after all.



everything is a process. it is a process to obtain intellect, unfortunately you were not given the choice, being born a profound retard, you have never and will never catch on, and it is obvious. You cannot explain why it is not 1) natural, 2) aspired, 3) flame, you can only spout drivel.

naturally (without special help or intervention)

aspirated (inhaled, drawn in, sniff, snort, gulp, insufflate)

fire( combustion or burning, in which substances combine chemically with oxygen from the air and typically give out bright light, heat, and smoke.)




good, then you wont have any difficulty what so ever providing a citation for a 'naturally aspirated *flame*'


you wont have any problem whatsoever for providing a citation to an actual credible source that says, "there exists in this universe no naturally aspirated flame, or fire".

And go. I wont bother checking back because.....................there wont be one.

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