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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 9:52:05 AM   
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depends on whether these things are related to atmospheres (negative or positive) or zero gravity. Which discussion would be more natural and which could we aspire to?

this is like moths to the flame......................jus sayin

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 10:38:11 AM   
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many lost me on this thread ;)

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 3:00:57 PM   
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Thompson...there is no such thing as suction,
Actually yes. I first learned there is no such thing as suction in my 11th grade auto shop class. But, it was subsequently confirmed at the undergrad level in college. By the time grad school came around it was just something you knew. Like "food good...fire burny hot."


How is it that we have a word for something, that according to you, does not exist?

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 3:04:40 PM   
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I havent even repeated my explanation yet and my last one in the holocaust thread went right on over your head.

the only thing you have stated is your abject ignorance.

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 4:12:18 PM   
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My link says otherwise.

Show me...hold my hand and walk me through...where your link says a vacuum sucks?


I did not say that vacuum sucks so where are you getting that???out of your nose or your ass?

The term vacuum can be defined in two ways: as a space empty of matter, or a space in which the pressure is significantly lower than atmospheric pressure. It is the lower pressure term that has clinical relevance. In fact, for clinical use, vacuum can be more simply defined as negative pressure. Suction is defined as the application of negative pressure to create movement of air, liquids or solids

The Principles of Vacuum And Clinical Application in the Hospital Environment
Third Edition Authors: Bill Lamb, BS, RRT, CPFT, FAARC National Clinical Manager, Ohio Medical Corp. Wentzville, MO

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 4:17:51 PM   
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I havent even repeated my explanation yet and my last one in the holocaust thread went right on over your head.

the only thing you have stated is your abject ignorance.




anyone who was stoopid enough to trust your bullshit and googled 'aspirated open air flame' is laughing their asses off at you because like I said there is no such thing, but hey feel free to invent a citation because thats the only way you will be able to post one LOL
fucking idiot


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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 4:20:50 PM   
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My link says otherwise.

Show me...hold my hand and walk me through...where your link says a vacuum sucks?


I did not say that vacuum sucks so where are you getting that???out of your nose or your ass?

The term vacuum can be defined in two ways: as a space empty of matter, or a space in which the pressure is significantly lower than atmospheric pressure. It is the lower pressure term that has clinical relevance. In fact, for clinical use, vacuum can be more simply defined as negative pressure. Suction is defined as the application of negative pressure to create movement of air, liquids or solids

The Principles of Vacuum And Clinical Application in the Hospital Environment
Third Edition Authors: Bill Lamb, BS, RRT, CPFT, FAARC National Clinical Manager, Ohio Medical Corp. Wentzville, MO

Thank you for admitting I was correct the entire time. Now if you look at your post 135 in response to my post 134, you'll see that while you didn't understand what your link was saying you believed, at the time, I was in error saying that there is no such thing a suction. Now I believe you have that thank you thing you do when someone helps disabuse you of your ignorance.

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 4:28:38 PM   
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Actually yes. I first learned there is no such thing as suction in my 11th grade auto shop class. But, it was subsequently confirmed at the undergrad level in college. By the time grad school came around it was just something you knew. Like "food good...fire burny hot."


University of dumbass it would seem.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vacuum


Well even if it were, you have to respect the 11th grade auto shop class.


One has to wonder at the level of competence of an auto shop class with no vacuum gages. My phoquing studebaker has a vacuum gauge on the dashboard.


Now you date yourself a bit. I remember like it was yesterday when a block and a half from our house yep, there was a Studebaker dealer (of all dealers) 8 Mile Rd & Oakfield. and the Avanti came out. (in a small strip right on 8 Mile Rd. with a 24 hr. rest. a bar, party store, barbershop, dentists and drs. and finally a bank)

It was quite a bit revolutionary. 4 passenger muscle car, 289 (soon up'ed to 304) 240 or more horsepower with a Paxton supercharger. Even being a Chevy man all of my life, (dad caused that) I wanted one. But at $4-$5,000...way too much then. Now...fagedaboutit...

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 5:02:39 PM   
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Thompson...there is no such thing as suction,
Actually yes. I first learned there is no such thing as suction in my 11th grade auto shop class. But, it was subsequently confirmed at the undergrad level in college. By the time grad school came around it was just something you knew. Like "food good...fire burny hot."


How is it that we have a word for something, that according to you, does not exist?


A lot of people don't think God exists and we have a word. A lot of people think a clip is what you use to feed bullets into a pistol. I don't believe there has existed a petard in hundreds of years yet people still seem to hoist themselves on one. String theory contemplates multiple universes that have never been measured. A lucky rabbits foot didn't start out lucky, it just somehow became that way from oral tradition....oh wait...oral tradition. And let's keep in mind I said suction does not exist. You can suck on a straw but it doesn't mean you are creating suction.

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 5:06:31 PM   
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Actually yes. I first learned there is no such thing as suction in my 11th grade auto shop class. But, it was subsequently confirmed at the undergrad level in college. By the time grad school came around it was just something you knew. Like "food good...fire burny hot."


University of dumbass it would seem.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vacuum


Well even if it were, you have to respect the 11th grade auto shop class.


One has to wonder at the level of competence of an auto shop class with no vacuum gages. My phoquing studebaker has a vacuum gauge on the dashboard.


Now you date yourself a bit. I remember like it was yesterday when a block and a half from our house yep, there was a Studebaker dealer (of all dealers) 8 Mile Rd & Oakfield. and the Avanti came out. (in a small strip right on 8 Mile Rd. with a 24 hr. rest. a bar, party store, barbershop, dentists and drs. and finally a bank)

It was quite a bit revolutionary. 4 passenger muscle car, 289 (soon up'ed to 304) 240 or more horsepower with a Paxton supercharger. Even being a Chevy man all of my life, (dad caused that) I wanted one. But at $4-$5,000...way too much then. Now...fagedaboutit...

And that supercharger pushed air through the carburetor.

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 5:28:25 PM   
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Actually yes. I first learned there is no such thing as suction in my 11th grade auto shop class. But, it was subsequently confirmed at the undergrad level in college. By the time grad school came around it was just something you knew. Like "food good...fire burny hot."


University of dumbass it would seem.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vacuum


Well even if it were, you have to respect the 11th grade auto shop class.


One has to wonder at the level of competence of an auto shop class with no vacuum gages. My phoquing studebaker has a vacuum gauge on the dashboard.


Now you date yourself a bit. I remember like it was yesterday when a block and a half from our house yep, there was a Studebaker dealer (of all dealers) 8 Mile Rd & Oakfield. and the Avanti came out. (in a small strip right on 8 Mile Rd. with a 24 hr. rest. a bar, party store, barbershop, dentists and drs. and finally a bank)

It was quite a bit revolutionary. 4 passenger muscle car, 289 (soon up'ed to 304) 240 or more horsepower with a Paxton supercharger. Even being a Chevy man all of my life, (dad caused that) I wanted one. But at $4-$5,000...way too much then. Now...fagedaboutit...

And that supercharger pushed air through the carburetor.

Yes, meaning the engine was not getting the full potential of the supercharger but because it was there, was still...not naturally aspirated.

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 5:50:10 PM   
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Actually yes. I first learned there is no such thing as suction in my 11th grade auto shop class. But, it was subsequently confirmed at the undergrad level in college. By the time grad school came around it was just something you knew. Like "food good...fire burny hot."


University of dumbass it would seem.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vacuum


Well even if it were, you have to respect the 11th grade auto shop class.


One has to wonder at the level of competence of an auto shop class with no vacuum gages. My phoquing studebaker has a vacuum gauge on the dashboard.


Now you date yourself a bit. I remember like it was yesterday when a block and a half from our house yep, there was a Studebaker dealer (of all dealers) 8 Mile Rd & Oakfield. and the Avanti came out. (in a small strip right on 8 Mile Rd. with a 24 hr. rest. a bar, party store, barbershop, dentists and drs. and finally a bank)

It was quite a bit revolutionary. 4 passenger muscle car, 289 (soon up'ed to 304) 240 or more horsepower with a Paxton supercharger. Even being a Chevy man all of my life, (dad caused that) I wanted one. But at $4-$5,000...way too much then. Now...fagedaboutit...

And that supercharger pushed air through the carburetor.

Yes, meaning the engine was not getting the full potential of the supercharger but because it was there, was still...not naturally aspirated.

That poses a couple of questions. Is a carburetor only natural aspiration and a turbo or super charger unnatural? When you turn on the shower and the velocity of the water creates a low pressure area that moves the shower curtain toward the water stream natural or unnatural? I don't think anyone would say that the shower stream of water sucks on the shower curtain, which would truly be an unnatural act. When a tornado impales a straw in a fence post, is that unnatural suction? Can't be because suction doesn't exist. So it has to be natural. When my knee is the size of a watermelon and the ER Doc aspirates it with a syringe is that not naturally aspirated? Since the plan the ER Doc had was to draw off fluids in my knee the fact his needle/syringe did exactly that seems to be a natural process. What is unnatural aspiration if the machine was designed by an engineer to work within the understood guidelines of physics? Where does natural top and unnatural begin when a system is designed using fluid mechanics?

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 8:46:15 PM   
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Now you date yourself a bit. I remember like it was yesterday when a block and a half from our house yep, there was a Studebaker dealer (of all dealers) 8 Mile Rd & Oakfield. and the Avanti came out. (in a small strip right on 8 Mile Rd. with a 24 hr. rest. a bar, party store, barbershop, dentists and drs. and finally a bank)

It was quite a bit revolutionary. 4 passenger muscle car, 289 (soon up'ed to 304) 240 or more horsepower with a Paxton supercharger. Even being a Chevy man all of my life, (dad caused that) I wanted one. But at $4-$5,000...way too much then. Now...fagedaboutit...



When they first came out they cost more than a jag or a vett. In 1963 it was the fastest production car in the world...196mph. Model r5 with two Paxton huffers.
I was making $73 per month...I figured if I did not eat for the next 5 years I could afford one...but...they kept going up in price. They quit making them in 1991. By then they were up to about $50k. In twenty years they made less than 10,000 of them. Today there may be about 3000 still registered.



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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 9:10:44 PM   
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Actually yes. I first learned there is no such thing as suction in my 11th grade auto shop class. But, it was subsequently confirmed at the undergrad level in college. By the time grad school came around it was just something you knew. Like "food good...fire burny hot."


University of dumbass it would seem.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vacuum


Well even if it were, you have to respect the 11th grade auto shop class.


One has to wonder at the level of competence of an auto shop class with no vacuum gages. My phoquing studebaker has a vacuum gauge on the dashboard.


Now you date yourself a bit. I remember like it was yesterday when a block and a half from our house yep, there was a Studebaker dealer (of all dealers) 8 Mile Rd & Oakfield. and the Avanti came out. (in a small strip right on 8 Mile Rd. with a 24 hr. rest. a bar, party store, barbershop, dentists and drs. and finally a bank)

It was quite a bit revolutionary. 4 passenger muscle car, 289 (soon up'ed to 304) 240 or more horsepower with a Paxton supercharger. Even being a Chevy man all of my life, (dad caused that) I wanted one. But at $4-$5,000...way too much then. Now...fagedaboutit...

And that supercharger pushed air through the carburetor.

Yes, meaning the engine was not getting the full potential of the supercharger but because it was there, was still...not naturally aspirated.

That poses a couple of questions. Is a carburetor only natural aspiration and a turbo or super charger unnatural? When you turn on the shower and the velocity of the water creates a low pressure area that moves the shower curtain toward the water stream natural or unnatural? I don't think anyone would say that the shower stream of water sucks on the shower curtain, which would truly be an unnatural act. When a tornado impales a straw in a fence post, is that unnatural suction? Can't be because suction doesn't exist. So it has to be natural. When my knee is the size of a watermelon and the ER Doc aspirates it with a syringe is that not naturally aspirated? Since the plan the ER Doc had was to draw off fluids in my knee the fact his needle/syringe did exactly that seems to be a natural process. What is unnatural aspiration if the machine was designed by an engineer to work within the understood guidelines of physics? Where does natural top and unnatural begin when a system is designed using fluid mechanics?

The act of aspiration is the act of drawing (sucking) or inhaling a gas or fluid. It is my understanding and I think I am on point here, is that given that draw or suction is the only means by which that gas or fluid is aspirated or drawn in or out of say a given chamber or the atmosphere, it is naturally aspirated. Yes, suction is a lay term but still apropos here.

Once an additional force of air or gas as in a vapor or even I guess, a liquid such as a pump, turbo or supercharger is used, that aspiration is no longer natural. Hence the description of cars with a carburetor (no longer in production) or fuel injection are called...naturally aspirated cars or cars with naturally aspirated engines.

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 9:30:55 PM   
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Now you date yourself a bit. I remember like it was yesterday when a block and a half from our house yep, there was a Studebaker dealer (of all dealers) 8 Mile Rd & Oakfield. and the Avanti came out. (in a small strip right on 8 Mile Rd. with a 24 hr. rest. a bar, party store, barbershop, dentists and drs. and finally a bank)

It was quite a bit revolutionary. 4 passenger muscle car, 289 (soon up'ed to 304) 240 or more horsepower with a Paxton supercharger. Even being a Chevy man all of my life, (dad caused that) I wanted one. But at $4-$5,000...way too much then. Now...fagedaboutit...



When they first came out they cost more than a jag or a vett. In 1963 it was the fastest production car in the world...163mph but that was an r2 (two paxton blowers).
I was making $73 per month...I figured if I did not eat for the next 5 years I could afford one...but...they kept going up in price. They quit making them in 1991. By then they were up to about $50k. In twenty years they made less than 10,000 of them. Today there may be about 3000 still registered.



You're quite correct, it was very fast as it broke 29 speed records at Bonneville. Sold out to a couple of dealers who made replica (kit) cars I guess Pontiac powered with their VIN numbers until 2006-07.

Only sold 5,800 in the first two years while the Corvette was selling well over 20,000/yr. and the mid 60's Corvette picked up in performance. Sorry to see the Avanti go the way it did but Studebaker always had financial problems and after the merge with Packard saw both names cast into the dust bin of history.



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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 10:33:28 PM   
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You're quite correct, it was very fast as it broke 29 speed records at Bonneville. Sold out to a couple of dealers who made replica (kit) cars I guess Pontiac powered with their VIN numbers until 2006-07.


The two altman brothers bought the production rights and the tooling for the Avanti. It is not a kit car.
It has been bought and sold a couple of times and has had various chassis and engine transmission
packages. Typically shortened Chevrolet frames with chevy small block engines as the original ones were
on a lark convertible chassis with the kettering y block 289 which leaked like a sieve. To the best of my
knowledge the vins are unique to avanti.



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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 10:56:59 PM   
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Actually yes. I first learned there is no such thing as suction in my 11th grade auto shop class. But, it was subsequently confirmed at the undergrad level in college. By the time grad school came around it was just something you knew. Like "food good...fire burny hot."


University of dumbass it would seem.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vacuum


Well even if it were, you have to respect the 11th grade auto shop class.


One has to wonder at the level of competence of an auto shop class with no vacuum gages. My phoquing studebaker has a vacuum gauge on the dashboard.


Ah! Well you see, that's where you err. Your vacuum gage measures pressure.

Wrong again dumbass it measures partial pressure.

For instance it doesn't measure air flow.

I have not claimed that it does dumbass.


You have no idea how much air is flowing by reading a vacuum gage.

Where have I suggested that it does dumbass?

It's easy to create a low pressure area that your gage can read.

One would have thought your high school shop class would have mentioned that to you.

Ventures have been doing it in carburetors for years.

Next you are going to assure me that a whale is a large mammal.


But, a vacuum doesn't suck.

I have not suggested that it does. Actually what I have said is that sucking causes a partial vacuum..


The air flow because the high pressure area is pushing.

Yes sweet cheeks pressure is pushing into a vacuum created by suction.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



A vacuum is not sucking.

Once again dumbass sucking causes vacuum, as in partial pressure.



You have linked nothing that contradicts that simple principal.

That is precisely what the link discusses.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 11:00:21 PM   
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Thank you for admitting I was correct the entire time.

I have admitted no such thing.


I was in error saying that there is no such thing a suction.

I am pretty sure I mentioned that.






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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 11:02:29 PM   
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Thompson...there is no such thing as suction,
Actually yes. I first learned there is no such thing as suction in my 11th grade auto shop class. But, it was subsequently confirmed at the undergrad level in college. By the time grad school came around it was just something you knew. Like "food good...fire burny hot."


How is it that we have a word for something, that according to you, does not exist?


A lot of people don't think God exists and we have a word. A lot of people think a clip is what you use to feed bullets into a pistol. I don't believe there has existed a petard in hundreds of years yet people still seem to hoist themselves on one. String theory contemplates multiple universes that have never been measured. A lucky rabbits foot didn't start out lucky, it just somehow became that way from oral tradition....oh wait...oral tradition. And let's keep in mind I said suction does not exist. You can suck on a straw but it doesn't mean you are creating suction.

You just open your mouth to change feet don't you?

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RE: Science anarchists - 5/3/2017 11:04:35 PM   
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And that supercharger pushed air through the carburetor.


Blow through does draw through does not.

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