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Actually yes. I first learned there is no such thing as suction in my 11th grade auto shop class. But, it was subsequently confirmed at the undergrad level in college. By the time grad school came around it was just something you knew. Like "food good...fire burny hot."


University of dumbass it would seem.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vacuum


Well even if it were, you have to respect the 11th grade auto shop class.


One has to wonder at the level of competence of an auto shop class with no vacuum gages. My phoquing studebaker has a vacuum gauge on the dashboard.

Now you date yourself a bit. I remember like it was yesterday when a block and a half from our house yep, there was a Studebaker dealer (of all dealers) 8 Mile Rd & Oakfield. and the Avanti came out. (in a small strip right on 8 Mile Rd. with a 24 hr. rest. a bar, party store, barbershop, dentists and drs. and finally a bank)

It was quite a bit revolutionary. 4 passenger muscle car, 289 (soon up'ed to 304) 240 or more horsepower with a Paxton supercharger. Even being a Chevy man all of my life, (dad caused that) I wanted one. But at $4-$5,000...way too much then. Now...fagedaboutit...

And that supercharger pushed air through the carburetor.

Yes, meaning the engine was not getting the full potential of the supercharger but because it was there, was still...not naturally aspirated.

That poses a couple of questions. Is a carburetor only natural aspiration and a turbo or super charger unnatural? When you turn on the shower and the velocity of the water creates a low pressure area that moves the shower curtain toward the water stream natural or unnatural? I don't think anyone would say that the shower stream of water sucks on the shower curtain, which would truly be an unnatural act. When a tornado impales a straw in a fence post, is that unnatural suction? Can't be because suction doesn't exist. So it has to be natural. When my knee is the size of a watermelon and the ER Doc aspirates it with a syringe is that not naturally aspirated? Since the plan the ER Doc had was to draw off fluids in my knee the fact his needle/syringe did exactly that seems to be a natural process. What is unnatural aspiration if the machine was designed by an engineer to work within the understood guidelines of physics? Where does natural top and unnatural begin when a system is designed using fluid mechanics?

The act of aspiration is the act of drawing (sucking) or inhaling a gas or fluid. It is my understanding and I think I am on point here, is that given that draw or suction is the only means by which that gas or fluid is aspirated or drawn in or out of say a given chamber or the atmosphere, it is naturally aspirated. Yes, suction is a lay term but still apropos here.

Once an additional force of air or gas as in a vapor or even I guess, a liquid such as a pump, turbo or supercharger is used, that aspiration is no longer natural. Hence the description of cars with a carburetor (no longer in production) or fuel injection are called...naturally aspirated cars or cars with naturally aspirated engines.

yes a standard carbuerated engine would be natually aspirated, turbo as I said many posts ago is forced induction. Your shoower example would have to be filed under forced induction, or at least not natural if a better decription applies.

Suction is a broad brushed lay term, that applies in a lay conversation when that is the academic level being argued, so yeh, but not really in this discussion, or at least from the standpoint of tommy boy original claim, that an open air flame is aspirated.

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If heat is not lost across the system then how is steel, which is not part of the system, melted

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Perhaps you could point out just where that distorted I beam is partially melted


the parts where it is distorted.

Distorted is not the same as melted dumbass.

Metals, steel in particular, just don't automatically turn into a liquid when it reaches it's melting point

That is the definition of melting dumbass.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid..

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That poses a couple of questions. Is a carburetor only natural aspiration and a turbo or super charger unnatural? When you turn on the shower and the velocity of the water creates a low pressure area that moves the shower curtain toward the water stream natural or unnatural? I don't think anyone would say that the shower stream of water sucks on the shower curtain, which would truly be an unnatural act. When a tornado impales a straw in a fence post, is that unnatural suction? Can't be because suction doesn't exist. So it has to be natural. When my knee is the size of a watermelon and the ER Doc aspirates it with a syringe is that not naturally aspirated? Since the plan the ER Doc had was to draw off fluids in my knee the fact his needle/syringe did exactly that seems to be a natural process. What is unnatural aspiration if the machine was designed by an engineer to work within the understood guidelines of physics? Where does natural top and unnatural begin when a system is designed using fluid mechanics?

The act of aspiration is the act of drawing (sucking) or inhaling a gas or fluid. It is my understanding and I think I am on point here, is that given that draw or suction is the only means by which that gas or fluid is aspirated or drawn in or out of say a given chamber or the atmosphere, it is naturally aspirated. Yes, suction is a lay term but still apropos here.

Once an additional force of air or gas as in a vapor or even I guess, a liquid such as a pump, turbo or supercharger is used, that aspiration is no longer natural. Hence the description of cars with a carburetor (no longer in production) or fuel injection are called...naturally aspirated cars or cars with naturally aspirated engines.

yes a standard carbuerated engine would be natually aspirated, turbo as I said many posts ago is forced induction. Your shoower example would have to be filed under forced induction, or at least not natural if a better decription applies.

Suction is a broad brushed lay term, that applies in a lay conversation when that is the academic level being argued, so yeh, but not really in this discussion, or at least from the standpoint of tommy boy original claim, that an open air flame is aspirated.

.....or fuel injected cars are also naturally aspirated. But again, not to too fine a point on all of this, aspirated or to aspirate in academic terms, means also...to draw or remove by suction.

So one easily describe the lighter's flame is...naturally aspirated. It simply 'draws' ambient air to remain lit.

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aspiration is a process, and like tommy boy you chose the wrong one, thought you were catching on in a previous post, but I guess not after all.

everything is a process. it is a process to obtain intellect, unfortunately you were not given the choice, being born a profound retard, you have never and will never catch on, and it is obvious. You cannot explain why it is not 1) natural, 2) aspired, 3) flame, you can only spout drivel.

naturally (without special help or intervention)

aspirated (inhaled, drawn in, sniff, snort, gulp, insufflate)

fire( combustion or burning, in which substances combine chemically with oxygen from the air and typically give out bright light, heat, and smoke.)

This has been explained...

Convection requires gravity to function. (needs outside help/intervention)
The thermal exchange actually increases pressure, not decreases it (no suction produced)

thus - the very functions of fire in and of itself contradicts the statement 'naturally aspirated'.

we need gravity to live. plants need gravity, the earth needs gravity, we are all just a fart bubble in a camels ass. (yes the thermal pressure is different from top of flame to bottom. I am ok calling it suction (boyles law and all that, to attempt equilibrium, naturo horror vacui........yeah, close enough for the girls we go with)

Fire needs oxygen to function. convection not fire needs conditions

The universe needs PI, Plancks constant, e, and many other things to function
therefore nothing in our experience is natural
except me getting a blowjob.

Class dismissed.
Schlau, aber nicht wahr.

I suggest another course of study.

What you are willing to call it does not factor in...
It has been explained - it is not natural, it is not aspirated.

You cannot use the word-to-word definition then subjectively interpenetrate each of the words to best suit how you want to define it.

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Perhaps you could point out just where that distorted I beam is partially melted


the parts where it is distorted.

Distorted is not the same as melted dumbass.

Metals, steel in particular, just don't automatically turn into a liquid when it reaches it's melting point

That is the definition of melting dumbass.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid..

So the instant you take ice out of the freezer it is automatically (spontaneously/very quickly) reduced to it's liquid form because room temp is well above the freezing point? Or does it instead require prolonged exposure over a period of time before it is rendered down to it's liquid form?

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aspiration is a process, and like tommy boy you chose the wrong one, thought you were catching on in a previous post, but I guess not after all.

everything is a process. it is a process to obtain intellect, unfortunately you were not given the choice, being born a profound retard, you have never and will never catch on, and it is obvious. You cannot explain why it is not 1) natural, 2) aspired, 3) flame, you can only spout drivel.

naturally (without special help or intervention)

aspirated (inhaled, drawn in, sniff, snort, gulp, insufflate)

fire( combustion or burning, in which substances combine chemically with oxygen from the air and typically give out bright light, heat, and smoke.)

good, then you wont have any difficulty what so ever providing a citation for a 'naturally aspirated *flame*' [8|]

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Your opinion seems to be in conflict with the cite provided. This would tend to confirm that your opinion is full
of shit.

Actually it does not.

It coincides with what i said:
"Adiabatic conditions refer to conditions under which overall heat transfer across the boundary between the
thermodynamic system and the surroundings is absent."

I know, time and again you've proven yourself incapable of reading the English Language but:
transfer across the boundary between the thermodynamic system and the surroundings is absent

specifically means exactly what i said:
a theoretical condition in which heat isn't lost.

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Perhaps you could point out just where that distorted I beam is partially melted

the parts where it is distorted.
Metals, steel in particular, just don't automatically turn into a liquid when it reaches it's melting point.

[image]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GCrHwOX-IPM/hqdefault.jpg[/image]

That is white hot steel on the anvil.
White hot steel is steel that is heated to ABOVE it's melting point. (1300-1400 c)

Yet - despite it being heated to above it's melting point, it is still a mostly solid material. it is just extremely malleable and workable.

What did you think partially melted steel looks like?
candle wax drippings?

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Here is a pic of a building that was less than 200 yards from the epicenter of the a bomb at hiroshima. Note the steel
beams of the dome in tact and not melted. My understanding is that a nuke blast is pretty warm. .

https://www.google.com/search?q=hiroshima+dome&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiu57z3kdrTAhVEslQKHZu7CC4Q_AUIBigB&biw=853&bih=413#imgrc=G5NiX-ysHZGJ8M:&spf=198

Actually it is melted.

Like i mentioned before - just because you bring metals like steel up to their melting point doesn't mean they start turning into liquid and deforming like a wax candle does. As such, it was heated to it's melting point, and the attached metal bolts and brackets fused to the structure, making it a single contentious piece of metal...

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Perhaps you could point out just where that distorted I beam is partially melted


the parts where it is distorted.

Distorted is not the same as melted dumbass.

Metals, steel in particular, just don't automatically turn into a liquid when it reaches it's melting point

That is the definition of melting dumbass.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid..

So the instant you take ice out of the freezer it is automatically (spontaneously/very quickly) reduced to it's liquid form because room temp is well above the freezing point? Or does it instead require prolonged exposure over a period of time before it is rendered down to it's liquid form?

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