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Real0ne -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 6:36:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

STET. review fundamental mathematics, and the heisenberg uncertainty principle. The timeslice may be small, but it is not zero (therefore the point is a smear like a quanta) The frame of reference is moving. it might be a position to the femtosecond, but it is not 'THEE position'







really snotty? says who?



Real0ne -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 6:41:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Instantaneous velocity is the velocity of an object in motion at a specific point in time


You can only define that specific point in time by measuring it against two other points in time, the one that came before, and the one that came afterwards. And you would need to do the same with the position of the object. The specific time and the specific location can only be defined relative to other points of time and position. As Einstein once famously said: "There ain't no free lunch anywhere, bub." You cannot simply conjure up a point of time and space and measure it without external references.

Anyway, now you are (deliberately) diverting the conversation after we have already agreed that melting is not an instantaneous event.

So, bullshit on you, bub.




Nope nice try.

However we disagreed about the word 'instantaneous' as used in physics. Which is where we are right now. So....

I defined it by holding my finger on my stop watch then measured the distance. I divided nothing. then pointed out it is the instantaneous speed, or the distance travelled was 5 meters the time it took was 4 seconds.

Physics Glossary - instantaneous speed - Definition: When the speed of an object is constantly changing, the instantaneous speed is the speed of an object at a particular moment (instant) in time.

What is instantaneous speed?

Instantaneous speed refers to the speed of an object at a specific point in time. Most speeds are average speeds, which are calculated by dividing the distance traveled by the time it took to travel it.

Besides who can resist handing snotty his ass?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Ok snotty, you are no doubt a super genius!

[img]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/Zion/snotty%20genius.jpg[/img]



time and distance are given, calculate the 'dimensions' of point a. [8|]

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I suppose I better draw a more complete picture since I'd hate to confuse snotty more than he already is.

Point 'a' is a point on a graph that denotes the instantaneous speed of an object.







vincentML -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 7:14:25 AM)

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I defined it by holding my finger on my stop watch then measured the distance. I divided nothing. then pointed out it is the instantaneous speed, or the distance travelled was 5 meters the time it took was 3 seconds.

Physics Glossary - instantaneous speed - Definition: When the speed of an object is constantly changing, the instantaneous speed is the speed of an object at a particular moment (instant) in time.


Nope, to be true to the definition in your example you would need to take some interval of time between zero and three seconds for your instantaneous speed. All you have in 5m/3sec is average speed while ignoring changing velocity. The smaller your interval the more precise your approximation of instantaneous speed. The definition of I.S. excludes using the entire stop watch measurement because velocity is changing. Einstein also famously said: "You gotta dance with the definition that brung you, bub."



thompsonx -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 7:54:21 AM)


ORIGINAL: Real0ne

well gomer tommy came out saying that steel melts instantaneously when hit with an oxy cety torch,

It is clear that the nazi buffoon cannot comprehend the written word. Go back and read what I posted.
It says 'virtually instantaneous' If you do not understand what that means perhaps you could get a
grown up to help you with the big words dumbass.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



Real0ne -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 7:59:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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I defined it by holding my finger on my stop watch then measured the distance. I divided nothing. then pointed out it is the instantaneous speed, or the distance travelled was 5 meters the time it took was 3 seconds.

Physics Glossary - instantaneous speed - Definition: When the speed of an object is constantly changing, the instantaneous speed is the speed of an object at a particular moment (instant) in time.


Nope, to be true to the definition in your example you would need to take some interval of time between zero and three seconds for your instantaneous speed. All you have in 5m/3sec is average speed while ignoring changing velocity. The smaller your interval the more precise your approximation of instantaneous speed. The definition of I.S. excludes using the entire stop watch measurement because velocity is changing. Einstein also famously said: "You gotta dance with the definition that brung you, bub."



square pegs in round holes much?



Average vs. Instantaneous Speed

During a typical trip to school, your car will undergo a series of changes in its speed. If you were to inspect the speedometer readings at regular intervals, you would notice that it changes often. The speedometer of a car reveals information about the instantaneous speed of your car. It shows your speed at a particular instant in time.

The instantaneous speed of an object is not to be confused with the average speed. Average speed is a measure of the distance traveled in a given period of time; it is sometimes referred to as the distance per time ratio. Suppose that during your trip to school, you traveled a distance of 5 miles and the trip lasted 0.2 hours (12 minutes). The average speed of your car could be determined as

On the average, your car was moving with a speed of 25 miles per hour. During your trip, there may have been times that you were stopped and other times that your speedometer was reading 50 miles per hour. Yet, on average, you were moving with a speed of 25 miles per hour.

[img]http://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/kinema/trip.gif[/img]


The ONLY thing I used was a ruler and a stop watch to determine the distance and the time it took for the displacement then plucked down a point in cartesian format. Tell us what I divided. Tell us how your relativity can be correct when all the physics examples from everyone else in the world matches my description and sinks yours.

Its not an average its a 'direct mechanical measurement' using no math other than the knowledge of how to read the number on a ruler and how to read the number on a stop watch.







vincentML -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 8:14:42 AM)

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The instantaneous speed of an object is not to be confused with the average speed. Average speed is a measure of the distance traveled in a given period of time;

[SNIP]


The ONLY thing I used was a ruler and a stop watch to determine the distance and the time it took for the displacement


You continue to pretend that velocity is constant.

You have no measure nor calculation of the "plucked" point.

I grieve for your intellect.



Real0ne -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 8:20:30 AM)

The subject matter is NOT how you calculate velocity, or an average, it is 'instantaneous', as in the instantaneous value at a precise point in time, exactly what the definition says, and instantaneous applies to speed, voltage, temperature in precisely the same way. Nice try anyway.

AND

I did not say the graph I posted was velocity, I said only distance and time. You took it upon yourself to imagine it is velocity, not that it matters since instantaneous velocity does exist, in which case you would use the deltas to calculate the instantaneous velocity.


"Instantaneous velocity," like any limit, is defined at a specific value of time t. It is purely logical; it can never be observed or measured. To measure a velocity, it is necessary to know both a distance Δs and a time Δt, however small. A body in motion is in motion during every interval of time in which it moves.






thompsonx -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 8:39:26 AM)


ORIGINAL: Real0ne

When the nazi buffoon gets done jerking himself off I would still like him to explain how a bonfire melts steel.
The nuclear explosion at hiroshima did not do it, so just how did it occur (except in your nazi buffoon mind) in dresden?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



mnottertail -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 8:45:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

STET. review fundamental mathematics, and the heisenberg uncertainty principle. The timeslice may be small, but it is not zero (therefore the point is a smear like a quanta) The frame of reference is moving. it might be a position to the femtosecond, but it is not 'THEE position'







really snotty? says who?

everyone but you RealDividebyZeroRetard. Including Universities.



mnottertail -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 9:03:02 AM)

"Instantaneous velocity," <<<<<<<<<<<<<<note the quotes here
like any limit, <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< find out what a limit is
is defined at a specific value of time t. It is purely logical; it can never be observed or measured. To measure a velocity, it is necessary to know both a distance Δs and a time Δt, however small.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<delta t is the difference in times. Learn math.
A body in motion is in motion during every interval of time in which it moves. <<<<<<<<<<<<<the whale is undoubtably one of the largest mammals alive today, rather unremarkable statement and a tautology.

Your ass is handed you repeatedly RealZeroRetardDividedbyZero, and instantaneous is exactly as I described in physics in a single frame of reference.

And you still have nothing instantaneous in your first cartoon graph, you only have start and end no nothing else you can derive an average only. 5/4 =1.25 average.

Physics does not match your words, it sinks them, you are misusing them whole cloth. It only means something to you as a retard in a single frame of reference not understanding (individually and collectively at the least):
point
moment
instantaneous
time
and so on.




Real0ne -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 10:00:22 AM)

choke on it!

with the specific point placed on the graph at a specific time for the specific distance you dont derive anything because it already shows the instaneous value for speed and distance

I put up examples meant for kids and you still dont get it





Real0ne -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 10:12:18 AM)

sorry tommy no one here by that name or description, you looking in the mirror and talking to yourself again I see.



vincentML -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 10:39:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The subject matter is NOT how you calculate velocity, or an average, it is 'instantaneous', as in the instantaneous value at a precise point in time, exactly what the definition says, and instantaneous applies to speed, voltage, temperature in precisely the same way. Nice try anyway.

AND

I did not say the graph I posted was velocity, I said only distance and time. You took it upon yourself to imagine it is velocity, not that it matters since instantaneous velocity does exist, in which case you would use the deltas to calculate the instantaneous velocity.


"Instantaneous velocity," like any limit, is defined at a specific value of time t. It is purely logical; it can never be observed or measured. To measure a velocity, it is necessary to know both a distance Δs and a time Δt, however small. A body in motion is in motion during every interval of time in which it moves.





That is why it is a derivative value given limits. Why is that so unclear to you?



mnottertail -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 10:45:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

choke on it!

with the specific point placed on the graph at a specific time for the specific distance you dont derive anything because it already shows the instaneous value for speed and distance

I put up examples meant for kids and you still dont get it




no, read Einstein (and even Newton) an instant takes TIME!!!!! You dont get it retard.



thompsonx -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 11:00:10 AM)

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

sorry tommy no one here by that name or description, you looking in the mirror and talking to yourself again I see.


You are sorry alright. You, the Nazi buffoon who claims steel melts in a bonfire, have been shown to be a pathetic
liar who when confronted with facts runs and hides and seeks to take the discussion into minutia and avoid the
lies he has been found to post. This is your usual m.o.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



vincentML -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 11:08:12 AM)

Yep, tossing this one in.

Game over for boring repetition.



WhoreMods -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 11:39:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
really snotty? says who?

Zionists, obvs.



WickedsDesire -> RE: Science anarchists (5/9/2017 4:33:55 PM)

whats an instantaneous dumbfuk1

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Do they measure idiocy instantaneously or by the bucket of heaving plob jobbies

heh real0ne are you bit of a thicko? - blackadder anyone two tics

This one suits you C is for Contrafibularity - Blackadder - BBC




Real0ne -> RE: Science anarchists (5/10/2017 7:47:41 AM)

great name calling, hows that fail working for ya?



Real0ne -> RE: Science anarchists (5/10/2017 7:48:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
really snotty? says who?

Zionists, obvs.



Its more of the same snotty puke.



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