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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You or I didn't run claiming we had this.

But we do have to live with the results.

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One would think that a hot shit ceo like yourself would simply have picked the carpet installer who has a track record of producing on time results....That is if having the carpet installed on time was a primary consideration.
It has been said that premium oats are expensive but second oats can be had for a discount.

You probably missed the part where I mentioned "it's Seattle"...most would
(having read the national papers) have presumed (using....some data) that...
this market is a bit inflamed...ehhhh...maybe you have a reading issue....that's
okay.

Well that certainly is a good excuse for any hot shit ceo to fail, As in "it is not my fault...it is someone else's fault".

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Sorry MM
The fact that they have, tax reform, and healthcare, and stop the shutdown before saturday and trumps 100days.
I dont see one of the tree being done.
Maclvaby giving dems an ultimatum of one dollar for the wall per 1 dollar for healthcare, he is saying he hopes the dems wont "obstruct"
He needs his wall badly but Trump seems to think that threats will work.
I havent got the time today, to look for the info I read over the weekend, but I will be back later.

Lucy...where (and when) did the whole "100 days" thing emanate from?

It's now a relatively common metric for Presidents.

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You or I didn't run claiming we had this.

But we do have to live with the results.

Now campaign promises suddenly matter too... Politicians have to be perfectly honesty and totally competent

MUCH higher standards now

Great again already!

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix
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One would think that a hot shit ceo like yourself would simply have picked the carpet installer who has a track record of producing on time results....That is if having the carpet installed on time was a primary consideration.
It has been said that premium oats are expensive but second oats can be had for a discount.

You probably missed the part where I mentioned "it's Seattle"...most would
(having read the national papers) have presumed (using....some data) that...
this market is a bit inflamed...ehhhh...maybe you have a reading issue....that's
okay.

Well that certainly is a good excuse for any hot shit ceo to fail, As in "it is not my fault...it is someone else's fault".

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His books explain exactly what he'll do and...how he'll do it).

> > > . . .

I'd argue that....regards the general populace....he's doing a bit better than you or I :)

(All things considered.....I'd say his batting average is a smidge above .500).

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His books explain exactly what he'll do and...how he'll do it).

> > > . . .

I'd argue that....regards the general populace....he's doing a bit better than you or I :)

(All things considered.....I'd say his batting average is a smidge above .500).

This what I don't get; help me out, here . . .

This, combined with the other posts explaining how well off you are (not a complaint, not a snark, just simple non-judgemental recognition) leaves some of us here in the balance as to why, if all that does any good for your happiness or contentment or overall 'total enlightenment', etc., you read books from somebody who's (supposedly) financially a good bit above your already notable achievement.

And explain also why that endeavor alone is the end-all and be-all? And why that one particular endeavor should be foisted upon this or any other nation as a whole? So as to direct and impede upon every policy other than financial? Did we not see how disastrously purely financially-inspired policy to everything worked out already?

I was an econ major, so don't bother explaining to me that basic everyday commerce has to happen before much anything else, but when it goes beyond basic commerce, and we have financial simpletons who never never were and never will be 'happy' and certainly never contented or 'enlightened' after no matter how much (alleged) success in that venture now running the government (that being in place even before Trump), how does that actually DO anything? Or anything good.

At all?

None of us will ever achieve anything more than 'almost' what we think we want, at best.

Some can recognize that, some can't.

I

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Reagan quadrupled the national debt in just 8 years.

And turned the world's largest creditor nation into the world's largest debtor nation in the same period.

You have that propaganda talking point memorized to a knee-jerk reaction yet you remained silent as Obama increased the debt far more than Reagan or anyone else

The best any of you can do when that is pointed out is to reduce yourselves to childish trolls and derail the thread

There is no true North in leftist la-la land. Nothing truly matters to them, in their cartoon fantasyland worlds - except regurgitating the same typical hollow, meaningless, empty partisan rhetoric talking points as if they really believe in them

(I'm confident someone has, in the past, said this but....dude...you're {truly} a complete moron).

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His books explain exactly what he'll do and...how he'll do it).

> > > . . .

I'd argue that....regards the general populace....he's doing a bit better than you or I :)

(All things considered.....I'd say his batting average is a smidge above .500).

This what I don't get; help me out, here . . .

This, combined with the other posts explaining how well off you are (not a complaint, not a snark, just simple non-judgemental recognition) leaves some of us here in the balance as to why, if all that does any good for your happiness or contentment or overall 'total enlightenment', etc., you read books from somebody who's (supposedly) financially a good bit above your already notable achievement.

And explain also why that endeavor alone is the end-all and be-all? And why that one particular endeavor should be foisted upon this or any other nation as a whole? So as to direct and impede upon every policy other than financial? Did we not see how disastrously purely financially-inspired policy to everything worked out already?

I was an econ major, so don't bother explaining to me that basic everyday commerce has to happen before much anything else, but when it goes beyond basic commerce, and we have financial simpletons who never never were and never will be 'happy' and certainly never contented or 'enlightened' after no matter how much (alleged) success in that venture now running the government (that being in place even before Trump), how does that actually DO anything? Or anything good.

At all?

None of us will ever achieve anything more than 'almost' what we think we want, at best.

Some can recognize that, some can't.

I

Fair question(s).

His financial expertise/wherewithal:

How many times have we all wondered out loud..."what we need is a business man/woman running the show".

(It is after all...the biggest "corporation" on Earth.

Now we have one and few want to give him a chance to make necessary changes.

He'll make mistakes (everyone does) but he'll likely make them on the...being too tough end on our trading partners (everyone needs to walk away with a "win" in any deal).

If we look at what he's doing...he comes in asking for 10....knowing the other side wanted 5....and if he gets 6....it's a plus on this side. If on the other hand...he gets 8 or more...I see that as a bad deal because...both sides don't have a win.

I just wish everyone would give the guy a year to vet out some results.

Being in a (much smaller) similar chair...I get it and...having had 40 years of second guessing (by others)..I also know that solutions are never perfect and...results often take longer than one may hope.

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Well here we are now, in any case.

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His books explain exactly what he'll do and...how he'll do it).

> > > . . .

I'd argue that....regards the general populace....he's doing a bit better than you or I :)

(All things considered.....I'd say his batting average is a smidge above .500).

This what I don't get; help me out, here . . .

This, combined with the other posts explaining how well off you are (not a complaint, not a snark, just simple non-judgemental recognition) leaves some of us here in the balance as to why, if all that does any good for your happiness or contentment or overall 'total enlightenment', etc., you read books from somebody who's (supposedly) financially a good bit above your already notable achievement.

And explain also why that endeavor alone is the end-all and be-all? And why that one particular endeavor should be foisted upon this or any other nation as a whole? So as to direct and impede upon every policy other than financial? Did we not see how disastrously purely financially-inspired policy to everything worked out already?

I was an econ major, so don't bother explaining to me that basic everyday commerce has to happen before much anything else, but when it goes beyond basic commerce, and we have financial simpletons who never never were and never will be 'happy' and certainly never contented or 'enlightened' after no matter how much (alleged) success in that venture now running the government (that being in place even before Trump), how does that actually DO anything? Or anything good.

At all?

None of us will ever achieve anything more than 'almost' what we think we want, at best.

Some can recognize that, some can't.

I

Fair question(s).

His financial expertise/wherewithal:

How many times have we all wondered out loud..."what we need is a business man/woman running the show".

(It is after all...the biggest "corporation" on Earth.

Now we have one and few want to give him a chance to make necessary changes.

He'll make mistakes (everyone does) but he'll likely make them on the...being too tough end on our trading partners (everyone needs to walk away with a "win" in any deal).

If we look at what he's doing...he comes in asking for 10....knowing the other side wanted 5....and if he gets 6....it's a plus on this side. If on the other hand...he gets 8 or more...I see that as a bad deal because...both sides don't have a win.

I just wish everyone would give the guy a year to vet out some results.

Being in a (much smaller) similar chair...I get it and...having had 40 years of second guessing (by others)..I also know that solutions are never perfect and...results often take longer than one may hope.

I'd be one thing is the businessman we got as president was honest in his dealings, but the tp job we got now has been in chapter 11 bankruptcy court more times than any other company in the nation.

giving his ass a year when for the last year or more before the election all we heard was how he'd / they'd be ready to govern on "day one" and here it is almost day 100 and he and his cronies have been nothing short of the 3-ring circus the repugnican primary was.

and considering he was warned when he first showed his economic plan by people who know damn well better than he how deep the national debt he would drive the USA and is still doing it just says how much the gop cares about it..... they only do when anyone else is in power.

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Well getting back to the subject of lowering corp. taxes, the very concept that that is somehow going to do anything other than just what that directly implies...is bullshit.

(That wasn't even remotely clear).

All that will do is support or raise stock prices, likely fund huge stock buy-backs for the same purpose and as likely to improve the return on management's stock options.

Corp. taxes are now at a 60 year low, and only contribute approx. 10% of the federal budget. Now they will be even lower ? Why ? There are no facts or extrapolation of fact to support such a tax policy.

The corp. is nothing more than a ruthless, immoral, financial vehicle for the enrichment of its investors and management and remains the most politically and economically powerful authoritarian institution in and the very antithesis of...a free society.

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Any organization or group which exists for One purpose, aggrandizement of the owners/participants, is, by definition, amoral at best. For those who share the conception that all members of a society share responsibility for both the society and it's conduct (See: Fathers of our Republic) corporations largely lend to criminality. A. Lincoln warned precisely of unregulated corporations (at the time, first being given status in Court, as individuals, same as citizens) destroying the Republic, it's just taking a bit longer than he thought. A Mr. T. Roosevelt slowed the progression?
A more benign way to express the problem: All businesses are Forced to take all liberties to the very limit of opportunities, or they will be devoured by competitors who do. As current law allows stock holders to SUE management Personally for 'lack of fiduciary responsibility" (Making all decisions so as to maximize profits), they have few other options. We hear of Corporate Responsibility, which on close examination almost always turns out to be careful and cynical PR, advertising disguised as social morality.
The problem is that corporate capitalism is the most dynamically energetic of competing economic systems. Largely because it manages to access Everyone's savings through leveraging loans from the banks we all keep our money in, in essence, renting money they don't have, to be paid back by profits they may not make. Interlocking directorates among all the major corporations and banks means the board of directors will always profit, or at least have Golden Parachutes for most eventualities, the small stock holder and uninvested civilian/taxpayer always get the bill when things go wrong. (Obama didn't save Wall Street after the biggest self-inflicted wound in history, US taxpayers did. And Won't be paid back.)
The best analogy is that Corporate Capitalism is the most competitive of economic systems. In the same way a Pancreatic Cancer is the most dynamic organ in the body. With the same end as with all unregulated growth, Capitalism, like terminal cancer, eats it's host. The Earth in the case of international Capitalism, the patient for cancers.
How to maintain the benefits of robust entrepreneurialism without the obvious problems of terminal growth remains One of the conundrums our species faces at present. Without creative social and technical experimentation and whole new approaches to energy, sustainable ecologies to provide essential food, water and air, and some overarching concept which gives deeper meaning to life than simply obscene riches, we are doomed to one of the obviously fast approaching world wide catastrophes all serious students of current affairs see galloping towards us.
Micro-moralled, uneducated, image-absorbed, Narcissistic demagoges being manipulated by equally short sighted 1%ers and foreign dictators, running major countries is only more gas on the fires about to burn urban civilization down.